UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, York University, 18 March 2009 - Chef - #2

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  • #881
Interesting.

What were the two future perps ( esp the Dark Guy) doing on cctv at the 7pm one on the 18th, before any night of entertainment,that they then repeated ( esp DG) as perps at 5am on the 19th?

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@Spy Versus Spy I wasn't sure about the evening of 18th activity and still am not completely. It could have been something to do with a key left in a known place for "Invited" to let themselves in.In the morning it may have been about putting the key back. @Pinkizzy has also referred to a possible key exchange / pick up. Perhaps other Sleuths have a view on Dark Man's reason for being there.
 
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I don't agree with your theory.
How can 5 people keep a dark secret for 10 years? The police have ruled out RC so I'm sticking to my key idea. There's something fishy about the Acomb area and I'm sure she's buried under the new uni building or the roundabout near the campus.
@Pinkizzy I have always been amazed by the accuracy of Police info about Acomb area and the phone connecting to a network there. My understanding about her phone activity was that Police could only detect her movements on 18 /19th within a 9 mile radius of UNI. As someone has already previously said-Acomb is in that 9 mile radius and so I suspect again Police had some suspicions at the time of the Pub in Acomb, perhaps landlord at The Acomb, Now ClockHouse when interviewed mentioned that she was in Pub a week before she went missing. I don't believe that she was in Acomb when she went "missing". She thought she was safe with friends and hence her relaxed demeanour when talking to her Mum and Dad that evening.
 
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Interesting theory regarding plausible cause of death. Interesting theory regarding the friends group....are you inferring an act went wrong or a woman got angry?
@Kiri Received your PM but unable to reply. Answer is a Y.
 
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reverse image search suggests aerial view of alley photo taken in 2015. how much has changed since 2009? is alleyway pointer focused on a random spot or something in/under which a spare key or similar - claudia's house, one of the sheds/garages - was known to be stored?

https://www.google.com/search?q=claudia+lawrence+alleyway&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB794GB794&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ZB8RpkRrnUytnM%253A%252CZwMvndZ_LqexRM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQhkU_tIim4AmkZc80aoBAMKCXIIg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjj49fF1YvjAhXTolwKHTjiAywQ9QEwAXoECAkQBg#imgrc=KfU94tF84ysnQM:&vet=1
 
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Major Lang. You have certainly put a lot of time and effort into your research, which I applaud you for. Your hypothesis is reasonable and you have piqued my interest in reading Secret History. While it is well within the bounds of possibility, I disagree with some aspects. I do not believe the 2 dark haired males captured walking along HR (one in each video) were involved and think NYP appealed to them to come forward as potential witnesses only. Nor do I think they are the same person as the male in the first (morning) video had a more slender build. Having read about RC, I am not convinced of his involvement either. He was a loner and by all accounts, was very wrapped up in maintaining his properties. Nevertheless, he was a well known local figure in York with a huge number of people attending his funeral so I am intrigued by the sudden nature and timing of his death but won't speculate further on this site other than to wonder if someone had put considerable pressure on him. The Acomb area does appear to have played a part, possibly as a 'safe' place to drink when wishing to avoid the prying eyes of the NH. A lot has been made of men trying to avoid their wives finding out about their extra marital behaviour. This could also apply to men with girlfriends. Perverting the course of justice could apply to those who give a false alibi (remember how Maxine Carr lied that she was with Huntley when she was actually in Hull with her mother?). What if one of the men gave another an alibi to cover up a liaison with CL so a mutual female friend would not discover the truth? The female thinks the version she has been told is 'THE TRUTH' so is outraged by suggestions that her beau has lied. She knows no better ...but does she suspect him?
Did the first of the 4 arrested, a few days before the others provide the Alibi. Perhaps not involved with the other 3 but asked to alibi. When interviewed and with a possible charge of Perverting the Course of Justice, did he open up. This lead to alley being searched and then other 3 arrested?
 
  • #886
PAY-Picture-shows-an-aerial-view-of-the-house-of-missing-Claudia-Lawrence.jpg


reverse image search suggests aerial view of alley photo taken in 2015. how much has changed since 2009? is alleyway pointer focused on a random spot or something in/under which a spare key or similar - claudia's house, one of the sheds/garages - was known to be stored?

https://www.google.com/search?q=claudia+lawrence+alleyway&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB794GB794&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ZB8RpkRrnUytnM%253A%252CZwMvndZ_LqexRM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQhkU_tIim4AmkZc80aoBAMKCXIIg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjj49fF1YvjAhXTolwKHTjiAywQ9QEwAXoECAkQBg#imgrc=KfU94tF84ysnQM:&vet=1
@moonsafari This is how to go back in time on Google Ariel view:

 
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So
I am going to go out there and declare my thoughts.
Please forgive me if I am wrong but I have spent 24 hours a day of the last 7 looking into this case. I am not wrong:

CL had some friends around on the night of 18th.
2 males and including her 2 females.
Like all of us we like to behave like humans but weall have desires and so something took place.

Claudia knew them all and they were friends from the Nags Head.
It is likely that some were already in a relationship but today desire overrules this.

Some have since come out and declared friendship towards her.

Something went wrong.

Claudia was probably asphyxiated (No blood loss DNA) and so the 3 left were all bonded together to resolve what was a very difficult and "Complex" situation.
They were all implicated and so are unlikely to ever individualy come out and admit anything.

They had to dispose of the body.

There was an empty property to the rear of Claudia's house.
There was a car park with cars and a shed in the Nags Head Car Park.
All were all accessible from the alleyway behind her house.

The CCTV images were of the clean up and the Perps were on CCTV.

Watching out for each other they disposed of poor Claudia and then became the grieving friends who are bonded by something they all accidentally did.

If anyone doesn't agree, please read the book "Secret History" by Donna Tarte.

Please forgive me but I am not basing my findings solely on this book.

Sometimes we love people, they are our friends and we have their backs but when it all goes "🤬🤬🤬🤬 Up" We group and protect one another.

I do hope that one day, one of the Perps will get a conscience and come forward. But until then, let's not blame the Police.

They know what happened they will have had the conversations with the Perps but they cant progress the case.

Finally, there was a female not arrested and charged as one of the 4 , I don't know why but she knows who she is and should come forward.

Happy for you all to disagree with me. Let's have a healthy debate and help the Police solve this once and for all.

Sleuths-On 4th August 2009. A Property of Interest was searched by police at 61 East Parade, Heworth.
The two residents bought the house before 1995. There was no occupancy recorded on Electoral role as last known occupant was recorded in 2004 when 2 people lived there, I believe that they were brothers or a father and son (They both were male and had same surname)
One was in their late 50's early 60's. (Today he is over 65)
In 2014, one of previous 2 occupants that left in 2004 returned.

There appears to be a 10 Year Gap...???

Here is a screenshot of media photo showing search with a person answering the door.

One of Slueths may recognise him but as he may not be a POI I cannot name him on this site.

Take a look
@moonsafari Do you recognise them as a regular of Nags Head?
 

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Sleuths-On 4th August 2009. A Property of Interest was searched by police at 61 East Parade, Heworth.
The two residents bought the house before 1995. There was no occupancy recorded on Electoral role as last known occupant was recorded in 2004 when 2 people lived there, I believe that they were brothers or a father and son (They both were male and had same surname)
One was in their late 50's early 60's. (Today he is over 65)
In 2014, one of previous 2 occupants that left in 2004 returned.

There appears to be a 10 Year Gap...???

Here is a screenshot of media photo showing search with a person answering the door.

One of Slueths may recognise him but as he may not be a POI I cannot name him on this site.

Take a look
@moonsafari Do you recognise them as a regular of Nags Head?
Ignore please this was house of RC Richard Cartwright-The man who died on 9th April 2009-He was not a suspect. The landlord of properties in the area.
 
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A new law named after missing chef Claudia Lawrence is to finally come into effect to help the families of those who have disappeared.

'Claudia's law' creates a legal status of guardian of the affairs of a loved one missing for 90 days or more.

The legislation, in memory of the 35-year-old, who went missing in York in 2009, will come into effect on 31 July, the government has confirmed.

Father Peter Lawrence said it would be a great help to thousands of families.

'Claudia's law' to finally come into force
 
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reverse image search suggests aerial view of alley photo taken in 2015. how much has changed since 2009? is alleyway pointer focused on a random spot or something in/under which a spare key or similar - claudia's house, one of the sheds/garages - was known to be stored?

https://www.google.com/search?q=claudia+lawrence+alleyway&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB794GB794&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ZB8RpkRrnUytnM%253A%252CZwMvndZ_LqexRM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQhkU_tIim4AmkZc80aoBAMKCXIIg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjj49fF1YvjAhXTolwKHTjiAywQ9QEwAXoECAkQBg#imgrc=KfU94tF84ysnQM:&vet=1
There's no exit through Claudia's fence, how did she leave the back way?
 
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@Pinkizzy There is no fence-Her house is circled in red:
The fence in this photo posted by @moonsafari was from photos taken in 2015 and shown in Daily Mirror and as can be seen, Claudia's fence is very new. I suspect that Police suggested that Family of CL had this constructed to keep Nosey Parkers out of Crime Scene. The Photo I just posted is from Google closer to time of Incident.
 
  • #894
The fence is hidden by a tree with loads of branches
 
  • #895
The fence is hidden by a tree with loads of branches
In my shot the fence if any is old and we cant see if there is a gate. In the Daily Mirror more recent shot it shows fence is fairly new-Certainly not very old as wood has not yet discoloured
 
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Did the first of the 4 arrested, a few days before the others provide the Alibi. Perhaps not involved with the other 3 but asked to alibi. When interviewed and with a possible charge of Perverting the Course of Justice, did he open up. This lead to alley being searched and then other 3 arrested?
This is information I have not seen before about regulars at Nags being interviewed by Police over a Black 4x4:

Police swoop on missing chef’s home

Here is a Black 4x4 outside of one of regulars business and a POI:
 

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Yes they did what? Did they own a black 4x4 pickup truck?
 
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Yes they did what? Did they own a black 4x4 pickup truck?
The police put out an alert. They must have had a reason for this. The owner identified their vehicle. I'm just adding it to the things to consider.
 
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