UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, York University, 18 March 2009 - Chef - #2

[Yozzer]

It was shown during the reconstruction, wasn't it? It wasn't an actual image like the silver car on Melrosegate

Yes it is very difficult to find a description of the vehicle online. An earlier NYP timeline was quoted on websleuths by Pinklilies in 2015 as '6.10am - Couple seen arguing on University Road, Maroon coloured car parked there'. Unfortunately the NYP doesn't work and their most recent link states: 'an unknown parked vehicle'. I would imagine the witness would have been more focused on the couple than the car.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

How did the police find Claudia's car??

I think, her parents would have known, where the car was at. They knew about the repair of her car and one of them (forgot, who) even would have paid for a taxi, if she had wanted, because of her long walk at dawn to the Uni. (I remember so ...)

 

[Yozzer]

The Megane has a hatch whereas the Melrosegate car had a boot.

Sorry not really anwered your question there...the make of the car seen on Melrosegate was not revealed but it can be seen to have a boot, whilst the Megane has a coupe or hatch style tailgate.

 

[MajorLang]

This is from a 2009 timeline. Alarm bells....unless the witness got their dates wrong and it was her father with the pub landlord trying to get in on the Friday 20th?
April 16
• Police say they are investigating ‘’significant’’ new lines of inquiry, including a couple seen arguing near a car on Miss Lawrence’s route to work the day after she was last seen and two men apparently trying the front door to her house in the week before she disappeared.
Second house searched as police arrest man for murder of missing York chef Claudia Lawrence

@Yozzer
Yes this was mentioned earlier in postings as follows:


Tuesday March 10th 2009


2 men seen at her door-One has a sandy Mac and one is an Asian gentleman, younger-Could he be man in Hoody referred to later, a younger dress style


Does anyone know what time ?

 

[MajorLang]

Precisely - but there are other directors too, so not sole ownership of AC but 20 years of involvement is a long time for a business to keep running, through UK recessions etc. PR has been very successful.

@Yozzer Correct and as mentioned earlier today by @moonsafari The company had some very high profile clients including UNI.

 

[Yozzer]

@Yozzer Correct and as mentioned earlier today by @moonsafari The company had some very high profile clients including UNI.

Agreed yet they are surprisingly shy of boasting of their involvement with the prestigious UoY on the company website.

 

[dotr]

@Yozzer
Yes this was mentioned earlier in postings as follows:


Tuesday March 10th 2009


2 men seen at her door-One has a sandy Mac and one is an Asian gentleman, younger-Could he be man in Hoody referred to later, a younger dress style


Does anyone know what time ?

In NA, "Asian" means someone from China, Japan, Philippines ect. Middle Eastern generally refers to Muslims/Arabs ect. but thinking "Asian" means something different in the UK.
Which "type" of "Asian" is referred to in this case?TIA
speculation, imo.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

In NA, "Asian" means someone from China, Japan, Philippines ect. Middle Eastern generally refers to Muslims/Arabs ect. but thinking "Asian" means something different in the UK.
Which "type" of "Asian" is referred to in this case?TIA
speculation, imo.

It probably isn't technically correct at all, but in the UK Asian most often refers to Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi etc.

 

[Yozzer]

The majority (91%) in this area of York, UK are white. From my knowledge of York University though, there is a large number of overseas students on campus and many Chinese both undergraduate and postgraduates.
Interesting Information for Heworth Road, York, YO31 0AD Postcode Heworth Rd
Interesting Information for Heslington, York, YO10 5DD Postcode UoY, Heslington

 

[dotr]

It probably isn't technically correct at all, but in the UK Asian most often refers to Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi etc.

Thanks, was hoping my post was not offensive in any way! So if i understand correctly, a possibly East Indian young man might have been seen standing at Claudia's door along with someone who had a "sandy mac", lol, what is that?!

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Thanks for that, was hoping my post was not offensive in any way! So if i understand correctly, a possibly East Indian young man might have been seen standing at Claudia's door along with someone wearing a "sandy mac", lol, what is that?!

Ah, sandy mac is something like the coat Columbo wears

 

[dotr]

Ah, sandy mac is something like the coat Columbo wears

Thought it meant a Scot on a beach! jk!

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Thought it meant a Scot on a beach! jk!

 

[MajorLang]

I have just re read @moonsafari Blog on medium which got me really interested I Claudia Lawrence case.
What I was reminded of was the following:

If Claudia had a pre-arranged lift to work on 19th.
Was the person offering this lift not surprised that she wasn't at home as arranged?
Or even if the lift was cancelled the night before-the same person would mention that?

If your offering someone a lift as a genuine gesture, you would then come forward and at some point as soon as you knew she was missing say
"I was surprised that Claudia wasn't at home that morning"

If you don't you then become Prime Suspect.

We know from other reports that whilst she wanted to lose a few pounds and she didn't like Gyms, that walking was her answer for fitness.
But we have also read that she didn't like walking to work in the morning and likely sought her exercise at the daylight and of her shift.
I think that it is fair to say Claudia did not have a Pre-arranged lift on the morning of 19th and so any vehicle involved was not taking her to work.

For more than one reason, but the key reason I have safely assumed this is because 19th was a day that she wasn't scheduled to work but was working due to a request by work.

She may have not had time to schedule a lift?

I have then thought about the much discussed vehicles and the greater discussions of Dark Man at the side of her house.



Vehicles
A means of transporting Claudia who was alive or deceased and even if we could identify the vehicles we don't have the means to attach them to owners but the police do.

Dark Man

Sighting in early evening of 18th March-Pre her call with parents.
A pre meditated visit to check or collect something?

If the deed was pre meditated, the Perps may have picked this evening as Claudia was not scheduled to work the next day and they may have chosen this night as a time to give them more time to clear up. Fortunately for them her reported missing still took more than 24 hours.

We know that she was still alive at the time of this sighting.

Sighting on morning of 19th March.

A clear up operation.

Claudia popping out for 15 minutes the afternoon of 18th (It was likely less than 15 minutes actually).

We don't know if this actually happened or is a seed planted to throw people off course.

Given it was reported to have happened at a time when we know she was still alive then it was more likely to be true.
If her car was being repaired locally, did she pop in to check progress- was it at back of Nags.?
Did she go to Travel agents across road to organise her upcoming trip to Cyprus?

Was she able to buy / borrow hair dye from local hairdressers and have police checked source of purchase. "I'm going out tonight and have no hair dye, can you loan me some"
I would like to think that police would have checked this?

Finally
Police rapid response as soon as reported?

"Adopted girlfriend for operational reasons of Under cover cop because she is part of Nags group on watch"

"Undercover cop also missing-Police wouldn't announce this"

There is far more to this case than couples arguing near the university or left handed smokers.
The reported "botched" investigation in early days and police accused of not investigating some obvious leads?

Are we any further forward?

 

[Yozzer]

I'm not sure if this is accurate as it was early in the investigation, 2010, but this is the Telegraph so should be reliable. I've highlighted the parts which surprised me:

Miss Lawrence was involved in a long-term, casual sexual relationship with another man when she vanished. The man was himself involved in a long-term relationship with a woman, but is not believed to be the boyfriend Miss Lawrence was with a few nights before she went missing.
Claudia Lawrence 'slept with mystery man before disappearance'

 

[Yozzer]

Major: I read that the afternoon sighting on Wed 18th (after she was dropped off home) was at the junction of Heworth Road and East Parade, 3.05pm.

Re hair dye...there is a small Boots pharmacy in Heworth Village, near the crossroads where she could have popped in and out to buy the Clairol hair dye quickly.

Disappearance of Claudia Lawrence

 

[Yozzer]

Major's post:
For more than one reason, but the only reason I have safely assumed is because 19th was a day that she wasn't scheduled to work but was working due to a request by work.
She may have not had time to schedule a lift?

This rings a bell (about the day off thing) but do you have a link about this? I recall her mother and father saying she was due to have an early night on 18th because she was due to work a series of early shifts. It's quite possible she was using work as an excuse not to stay on the phone to mum for too long I suppose, without having to reveal other plans.

 

[MajorLang]

Major's post:
For more than one reason, but the only reason I have safely assumed is because 19th was a day that she wasn't scheduled to work but was working due to a request by work.
She may have not had time to schedule a lift?

This rings a bell (about the day off thing) but do you have a link about this? I recall her mother and father saying she was due to have an early night on 18th because she was due to work a series of early shifts. It's quite possible she was using work as an excuse not to stay on the phone to mum for too long I suppose, without having to reveal other plans.

@Yozzer I can't recall where I read this about extra shift. I am aware that she did text a friend (Jen) and not her parents to say she had a demanding schedule coming up. That was an outgoing text after she spoke to parents and before the incoming text from the Cyprus friend that she never responded to. Her parents declared that she always was in bed just after 9 before an early shift. We know this not to be true of course (Night of 17th/ morning Of 18th (out until 4 am with new friend story)

 

[MajorLang]

Major: I read that the afternoon sighting on Wed 18th (after she was dropped off home) was at the junction of Heworth Road and East Parade, 3.05pm.

Re hair dye...there is a small Boots pharmacy in Heworth Village, near the crossroads where she could have popped in and out to buy the Clairol hair dye quickly.

Disappearance of Claudia Lawrence

@Yozzer Yes and it was alleged that she was seen at this position by a childminder

 

[MajorLang]

I'm not sure if this is accurate as it was early in the investigation, 2010, but this is the Telegraph so should be reliable. I've highlighted the parts which surprised me:

Miss Lawrence was involved in a long-term, casual sexual relationship with another man when she vanished. The man was himself involved in a long-term relationship with a woman, but is not believed to be the boyfriend Miss Lawrence was with a few nights before she went missing.
Claudia Lawrence 'slept with mystery man before disappearance'

@Yozzer Yes so the article speaks about the "New" boyfriend she spent the night with in 17/18th she mentioned to a colleague at work-apparently the colleague failed to mention this event to police until a year letter ?? (She was out until 4 am that morning)

The other relationship with a man who was already with partner is more likely to be one of the POIs