UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #14

[Smiff]

There was also one that said Corrie was a pilot, that happens a lot when you mention the RAF. Maybe the confusion was because the RAF Police HQ is also at Honington. Or just the media being rubbish.

Its the media being rubbish. The curved badge on his shoulder on the photos of him in blue uniform is peculiar to the RAF Regiment; the RAF Police or indeed any military police have a black and red rectangular badge further down the arm.

 

[Greater Than]

Greater than if you got to ask N a question and got a reply to that question are you allowed to say what it was on here please or is it not allowed please

Sorry bbyblueeyez, if you can't link it, you can't post it.

 

[bbyblueeyez]

Yep just as I thought Greater than cant help a gal for trying lol Thank you for taking time to respond

 

[lusijay]

I thought it may be a good time to post this, a description of the training you go through in order to become an RAF gunner. Taken from the official RAF website here: http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafregiment/careers/gunners.cfm



Training
Recruit Training

Your career will start with a 10-week Basic Recruit Training Course at RAF Halton in Buckinghamshire. The course is designed to help you adjust to a military environment, as well as develop fitness and military skills.You will also learn about life in the RAF. This is referred to as Phase 1 Training.
Specialist Training

Upon successful completion of Phase1 you will move to RAF Honington, Suffolk. Here you will complete your specialist Gunner training course (Phase 2) which will last for approximately 18 weeks. You will be taught how to handle and use weapons in a professional manner and learn how to survive and fight in all environmental conditions. The course includes navigation, dismounted close combat tactics, field craft and physical training. RAF Regiment training is a test of character, determination and your will to succeed. By the end of the course you will be at peak physical fitness and havelearnt to operate effectively regardless of the environment. In order to giveyou the confidence to overcome any situation you may encounter whilst onoperations, the training is deliberately tough. You will be enrolled onto aNational Level apprenticeship, gaining an NVQ Level 2 in Public Services Operational Delivery (Uniform). Prior to starting your first squadron tour youwill spend a further 10 weeks learning additional skills which make yourtransition to squadron life easier, e.g. Driver Training, advance weapon skilland tactics.

Leading on from this, I think that it can help to give weight to the theory that he didn't attempt to walk back to base, and get into difficulty alone, or succumb to cold weather, dark conditions etc. Of course there is still a possibility that something happened that even a trained RAF gunner couldn't fight alone, but I think the fact that he is clearly so highly trained, means that he probably would have been able to get home on foot if he had tried. I know he was drunk, but he had eaten and had a good 2 hour sleep which would have probably put him in a better position.

x

 

[Northern Light]

Hmm, just to play devil's advocate, he's bound to say the phone is key because that's the type of wrok they specialise in, so justifying their involvement right at the start. Not saying he's wrong but already he's contradicting the accepted family view that the phone is at the rubbish facility (whereever and whatever type that is).

To me it seems that we can't have it both ways - it either was in a bin and not travelling with Corrie so we need to find it in the rubbish to see if there's any data on it that might help (and this seems to have been the case since day one) OR Corrie was with the phone and a third party or parties and we need to try and find other phones that took the same route and I don't remember that being a major line of enquiry for the family.

Have I misremembered or are the new team saying everyone's been wrong all along and we can ignore anything to do with the bin lorry?

I'm very interested to find out how they are going to track down which phones were in the same area, I have some civil liberty concerns about private individuals having access to personal mobile phone data in this way. Does anyone know how they'll do it?

The new team are coming in with their skills and expertise as Tony Wringe has stated on findcorrie.co.uk and MacKenzie website. For me, crucial in addition, is fresh eyes and no emotional connection. They will absolutely look at every aspect, and investigate for themselves, which is what they will be paid to do. Very early days for them and JMO.Cotswold has sleuthed some comparison on what their work on the Nokia could be on the last thread. Another poster commented last night that MacKenzie had walked the route Corrie walked.

 

[studrochan]

Has it been considered that perhaps in the footage of C entering the horseshoe, that someone shouted him over, and the pause as he looks down the road is C wondering if they're shouting him? His demeanour seems to change slightly, and I don't think he intended to go in there. Something drew him there. x

I'm pretty much convinced he went into the HS of his own accord for a pee. It's the obvious place, and he probably knows this from experience. He is simply having a quick glance around to make sure no-one sees him go in. He doesn't want the embarrassment of being spotted by a member of the public, and he certainly doesn't want his collar felt by an over-zealous gendarme. It is exactly how I would (and do) look in those circumstances.

 

[Smiff]

I thought it may be a good time to post this, a description of the training you go through in order to become an RAF gunner. Taken from the official RAF website here: http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafregiment/careers/gunners.cfm



Training
Recruit Training

Your career will start with a 10-week Basic Recruit Training Course at RAF Halton in Buckinghamshire. The course is designed to help you adjust to a military environment, as well as develop fitness and military skills.You will also learn about life in the RAF. This is referred to as Phase 1 Training.
Specialist Training

Upon successful completion of Phase1 you will move to RAF Honington, Suffolk. Here you will complete your specialist Gunner training course (Phase 2) which will last for approximately 18 weeks. You will be taught how to handle and use weapons in a professional manner and learn how to survive and fight in all environmental conditions. The course includes navigation, dismounted close combat tactics, field craft and physical training. RAF Regiment training is a test of character, determination and your will to succeed. By the end of the course you will be at peak physical fitness and havelearnt to operate effectively regardless of the environment. In order to giveyou the confidence to overcome any situation you may encounter whilst onoperations, the training is deliberately tough. You will be enrolled onto aNational Level apprenticeship, gaining an NVQ Level 2 in Public Services Operational Delivery (Uniform). Prior to starting your first squadron tour youwill spend a further 10 weeks learning additional skills which make yourtransition to squadron life easier, e.g. Driver Training, advance weapon skilland tactics.

Its worth noting the "Phase 1" training also used to be done at Honington; so depending when they moved it to Halton, Corrie may have done it there or been at Honington his entire career.

 

[cottonweaver]

The new team are coming in with their skills and expertise as Tony Wringe has stated on findcorrie.co.uk and MacKenzie website. For me, crucial in addition, is fresh eyes and no emotional connection. They will absolutely look at every aspect, and investigate for themselves, which is what they will be paid to do. Very early days for them and JMO.Cotswold has sleuthed some comparison on what their work on the Nokia could be on the last thread. Another poster commented last night that MacKenzie had walked the route Corrie walked.

yes that does sound positive.
This is a light hearted alt view of the Intelligence Corps - Forbes McK was in that corps like Tony Wringe.
https://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Intelligence_Corps

 

[cotswoldemmie]

The new team are coming in with their skills and expertise as Tony Wringe has stated on findcorrie.co.uk and MacKenzie website. For me, crucial in addition, is fresh eyes and no emotional connection. They will absolutely look at every aspect, and investigate for themselves, which is what they will be paid to do. Very early days for them and JMO.Cotswold has sleuthed some comparison on what their work on the Nokia could be on the last thread. Another poster commented last night that MacKenzie had walked the route Corrie walked.

This is what I posted up yesterday regards MIS involvement and why I think they might just find him/his phone.

Just thinking about why MIS might be useful.
One reason I can see is to do with the little known GLONASS.
GLONASS is the Russian version/equivalent to GPS.
The GPS on the Lumia may well have been manually turned off by C but because GLONASS operates using different satellites to GPS, it may well still have been active in the background.
The Nokia Lumia has both GPS and GLONASS capabilities.
This could be where MIS come into their own as they are likely to be able to put this information to use.
GLONASS is accurate to 2.8m.

And as rightly pointed out by another poster shortly after my original post, UK police & military are not permitted access to this information.

 

[jaam2017]

What is know about the bin lorry man

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[eneri12]

Not posted for a while as every thought I've had has more or less been posted by others along the last few threads.
I've just seen Tony on sky news talking about the investigation with Mackenzie etc. From what he says it seems like intelligence gathering is their first and foremost plan, from there they can cross reference a database of intelligence and perhaps find more or follow up on leads that haven't been pursued by the police. One question, will they be able to access the same intelligence the police has ie info from phone calls and people visiting the hub etc.

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[eneri12]

What is know about the bin lorry man

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Very little.
I've always found it odd that the media hasn't got hold of him/her for an interview especially given the amount of talk around the bin lorry itself.

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[jaam2017]

Very little.
I've always found it odd that the media hasn't got hold of him/her for an interview especially given the amount of talk around the bin lorry itself.

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I stumbled across the thread today, being the Corrie is Scottish i thought id have heard more about him being missing and the military connection, amd from all ive read thus far on here and web, there hasnt been any intrest in any vehicle other than bin lorry, so few questions if anyone can answer, 1. How long between Corry being reported missing was the binman and lorry checked.
2. Was there more than one person in present on the bin truck.
3. What searches have taken place in relation to dumps, landfill sites. 4.cctv of the bintruck enter and leaving horseshoe timelinehttp://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/58710e5ba1dbf/Screenshot_20170107-155021.png?


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[Northern Light]

Very little.
I've always found it odd that the media hasn't got hold of him/her for an interview especially given the amount of talk around the bin lorry itself.

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Possible clause in contract not to speak to Press, advised by employer and also the police. JMO

 

[mrseeker]

Have they ever said the estimated travel speed of the phone from BSE to BM? I know they have given the time it arrived and the time he was last seen in BSE but did they actually name a speed. I also know it was too fast to have walked. Seems they had said it was under 30 mph but cannot find that story again.

 

[jaam2017]

Have they ever said the estimated travel speed of the phone from BSE to BM? I know they have given the time it arrived and the time he was last seen in BSE but did they actually name a speed. I also know it was too fast to have walked. Seems they had said it was under 30 mph but cannot find that story again.

http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2017/01/05/corries-mobile-phone-update-5th-january-2017/

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[MelmothTheLost]

-It is a ruddy long way home. It is PITCH BLACK the vast majority of the way. You could not walk home.....you would not be able to see a thing, you would end up walking into a ditch....

Not necessarily. Humans have servicable night vision once it has been allowed to develop, away from bright lights. He would probably have been fine if he'd protected his night vision from oncoming traffic, and would have been able to make out the dark grey ribbon of the road home. He'd have had a mental map of where he was simply through driving the route regularly. So long as he stuck to the road he should have been fine. If he'd tried to cut across the fields he could have come a cropper and ended up in a ditch somewhere.

I suspect that if Corrie has died through misadventure he will come to light in the next few months. He'll be found by a forestry worker, a rider, an orienteer, a farmer out checking his field boundaries or simply by the ubiquitous Dog Walker (not to be confused with a Dogger).

 

[mrseeker]

http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2017/01/05/corries-mobile-phone-update-5th-january-2017/

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That's all I have found. Just wondered if it is too fast for walking was it too slow for your normal lorry. Could it have been a bike?

 

[Dimps]

Is the curved badge which you refer to, not just his previous rank of LAC? leading Air Craftsman?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

so who's bookmarked the source that subtstantiated the temperature morning of 24th? Came across that about 10,000 posts ago.

The minimum temperature overnight was 10 degrees centigrade in London, so maybe a degree or so cooler in Suffolk.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/london/ec4a-2/september-weather/328328

Even with some booze inside him and wearing light clothes, if he kept moving he should have been fine once he left the shelter of the town centre, assuming he started to walk home.