UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #17

[Justlookingme]

The Gibraltar RAF incident is also in MSM in UK with more details if someone could post the links on here. Have seen it in the Star, Sun and DM so far. Strange incident I have never heard anything like that before.

Just read them, pretty sure it's not Corrie related if he is still in Gibraltar then, I thought I had read somewhere they was bringing him back for questioning.

Thanks for the links


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[Northern Light]

Occam's razor would seem to suggest that Corrie jumping in a bin of his own accord, getting picked up in that 4.20 collection and he and his phone going to BM in the bin lorry would answer most of the 'problems' with this case. It explains exactly why Corrie wasn't seen after that last cctv.

What I don't understand is that collection was supposed to be recycling weighing 11kg.

Thinking more on the landfill site, anything co-located with a body could give clues. If there's a body co-located with a ton of cardboard boxes and wrappers with Greggs written on them, then Corrie was in that bin and instead of being sorted through as recycling, somehow it went to the landfill. But if a body is co-located with household rubbish, then that would suggest something else entirely? Or if a body is wrapped in bin liners or something, then that suggests someone else was involved.

It's going to be a very long and difficult wait for Corrie's family

I don't get a feel for mugging and murder by chance in that timeframe, with the amount of people still around. If it was, it was made to look like a mugging and planned, and very organised. If this is the case, LE will know from the CCTV who was checking on him in the doorway, and looking to pick up suspects in the area. I wonder if he could be seen in the doorway from somewhere else and could he have been set up? Also if he was called over to HS I think it was by someone he knew.

So for me your Occam's razor also ties in with him looking around, entering the HS area, just waking up, early hypothermia, effects of alcohol, clothing worn, no jacket etc, at that time of night, temp drop. I mentioned earlier today and as redgoblin has above. This would mean the bin wasn't weighed, error, or not recycled, and went to landfill IMO.

The other, is that something happened in a building, house in the vicinity, and as you say the materials around him, if he is there, will tell whether foul play, or misadventure, or put there by other means. He could also have been put in a general waste bin elsewhere, next bin area.

The info on the phone pings may not have been accurate, with gaps, in what we were given.

It will be interesting to see what information the Police have for this search or is there a set timescale after which they agreed to release back the landfill, or as part of their reviews on the case, it was now or never time, to search it. IMO

 

[jessie]

Updated on FC website; http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/reward-must-be-claimed-by-5pm-on-saturday-18th-february-2017/


Reward must be claimed by 5pm on Saturday 18th February 2017
Family Updates

As most of you will be aware, back in early December 2016, a £50,000 reward for information leading to Corrie being found was offered. This reward was kindly and very generously put forward by a business couple, local to Suffolk. It was their wish that they remained anonymous.
At this moment in time the offer of a reward hasn’t brought to the fore the information we had hoped for.
Following discussion, we consider it sensible that the offer of a reward should not remain in place indefinately. As such, we have decided to leave a reward in place for one more week. On 18th February 2017 the offer of £50,000 reward will be withdrawn.
On behalf of my family, I would wish to publicly thank from the bottom of our heats the couple concerned. Not only have they offered what would be a life changing sum of money in the shape of the reward, they have also given their time and made great efforts to assist us find Corrie. We will be forever grateful to them for this.
The numbers to call are 07379 333 024 and 07379 333 025

 

[mrseeker]

True, but why Corrie lost his car keys? They were found on the street...was there a fight of some kind? This sounds like a foul play, doesn't it. He wasn't that drunk anymore.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-24-September-2016-13&p=13043304#post13043304

*User asks about the BMW car keys?*

A lady or gent found BMW keys close to where Corrie was last seen. The same type that he has for his BMW. However, I’ve spoken to the person and they have told me they now believe they are actually a family members. I am still trying to find out if there is any connection to Corrie to try to get the number from the keys but there is a language barrier. I’m hoping to get this bottomed out but it doesn’t appear they're his at this time.

but in the response you posted it says it's probably not his keys.

 

[sar2them1984]

Details of withdrawing the reward have made MSM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4217148/Corrie-McKeague-s-mother-said-withdraw-reward.html

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[Shiressleuth]

Details of withdrawing the reward have made MSM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4217148/Corrie-McKeague-s-mother-said-withdraw-reward.html

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What I fail to understand is why are MSM ignoring the reward from the Mckeagues that is still available? Also why is the business couple reward only available if you phone the private phone number? Would the business couple get to know what info has been provided before they release the reward to the grass? It all seems strange IMO.

 

[db09striker]

Too many things against it though. No trace of Corrie in/on/around the bin lorry or bin and the contents were unloaded at a recycling centre/transfer station we are told. Plus there would have been a record of that lorry going to the landfill and a tachograph record to back it up. If it did go there then the Police have some explaining to do as to why leave it 5 months to search...spending +£300k in the process.

Also how would the separation of Corrie and his phone happen if they all went together in the Biffa bin lorry to the landfill? The phone can't go to and then remain in BM until 08:00 if the bin lorry and Corrie ended up in Milton?

No, I think they took the bins in the other HS/loading bay for testing when they conducted the last search of the buildings in SB in late January and got results of a DNA hit in the last week from a general waste bin that went to that landfill via another later bin lorry pick-up.

I understand there are things that don't make sense, but maybe the forensics simply didn't pick Corrie's DNA up, maybe the weight of the bin was not accurate, maybe the police were shown it to be accurate, but on the day Corrie went missing it wasn't, maybe the bin lorry didn't go to a transfer station. There is a lot of maybe's but there are a lot of things that make sense with the bin lorry theory.

It still makes the most sense out of all the theories I have heard. IMO. There are questions that can be raised for all the theories.

The Police have CCTV of everyone that went into that area - how has that not led to anything. In my eyes none of the pedestrians are involved in Corrie's disappearance. Out of the people that went into that area it can only be a person in a vehicle that has taken him, and I'm surprised nothing has come of that.


db09striker's theories in order of most likely:
1. Bin Lorry crushing death (Accident)
2. Willingly taken away in a vehicle, hook-up gone wrong.
3. Murder within a building, body dumped in bin.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I understand there are things that don't make sense, but maybe the forensics simply didn't pick Corrie's DNA up, maybe the weight of the bin was not accurate, maybe the police were shown it to be accurate, but on the day Corrie went missing it wasn't, maybe the bin lorry didn't go to a transfer station. There is a lot of maybe's but there are a lot of things that make sense with the bin lorry theory.

It still makes the most sense out of all the theories I have heard. IMO. There are questions that can be raised for all the theories.

The Police have CCTV of everyone that went into that area - how has that not led to anything. In my eyes none of the pedestrians are involved in Corrie's disappearance. Out of the people that went into that area it can only be a person in a vehicle that has taken him, and I'm surprised nothing has come of that.


db09striker's theories in order of most likely:
1. Bin Lorry crushing death (Accident)
2. Willingly taken away in a vehicle, hook-up gone wrong.
3. Murder within a building, body dumped in bin.

Theories 1 & 3 don't involve a vehicle except the bin lorry and 2 involves a vehicle other than bin lorry. Presume 1 means C getting in bin himself so accidental, other 2 foul play involved.

 

[FlashyHydra]

but in the response you posted it says it's probably not his keys.

True :hills:
This is so frustrating, only a miracle can solve this case anymore!
If Corrie's disapperence was foul play, somebody did a damn good job. They must be real proud of themselves...

 

[Mrsdarcey]

IMO 50k is not enough to move your family far far away from an angry dealer or gangster and spend the rest of your life looking over your shoulder. Not if you have a family.
I don't understand how you could just give a name without having to back it up with evidence. Otherwise the suspect doesn't even have to answer questions does he?

If the taxi driver is a witness he is damned if he talks surely. Maybe bike man is a dealer but perhaps not the perp.

Bin lorry accident was also my very first theory. 15-20 minutes of paperwork.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I understand there are things that don't make sense, but maybe the forensics simply didn't pick Corrie's DNA up, maybe the weight of the bin was not accurate, maybe the police were shown it to be accurate, but on the day Corrie went missing it wasn't, maybe the bin lorry didn't go to a transfer station. There is a lot of maybe's but there are a lot of things that make sense with the bin lorry theory.

It still makes the most sense out of all the theories I have heard. IMO. There are questions that can be raised for all the theories.

The Police have CCTV of everyone that went into that area - how has that not led to anything. In my eyes none of the pedestrians are involved in Corrie's disappearance. Out of the people that went into that area it can only be a person in a vehicle that has taken him, and I'm surprised nothing has come of that.


db09striker's theories in order of most likely:
1. Bin Lorry crushing death (Accident)
2. Willingly taken away in a vehicle, hook-up gone wrong.
3. Murder within a building, body dumped in bin.

Honestly my early theory was the same. Corrie ended up in a bin by accident and wasn't spotted.

The problem is if the Biffa bin lorry is known to have traveled to Milton that morning (planned or not) and the Police felt the need to have the waste from BSE separated when they found out a few days/ a week later why not just search it at that point? Instead they have spent 5 months and hundreds of thousands of pounds looking for what on BSE CCTV? This makes no sense if Corrie accidentally ended up in a bin and missed.

Also why was Nicola only shown pictures of the landfill and not simply told where it was? Right now I'm more confused than ever and wonder just where this is going.

 

[Shiressleuth]

IMO 50k is not enough to move your family far far away from an angry dealer or gangster and spend the rest of your life looking over your shoulder. Not if you have a family.
I don't understand how you could just give a name without having to back it up with evidence. Otherwise the suspect doesn't even have to answer questions does he?

If the taxi driver is a witness he is damned if he talks surely. Maybe bike man is a dealer but perhaps not the perp.

Bin lorry accident was also my very first theory. 15-20 minutes of paperwork.

Its actually 100k atm. Two separate 50k rewards.

Edit. I agree about the taxi driver comment.

 

[Northern Light]

Honestly my early theory was the same. Corrie ended up in a bin by accident and wasn't spotted.

The problem is if the Biffa bin lorry is known to have traveled to Milton that morning (planned or not) and the Police felt the need to have the waste from BSE separated when they found out a few days/ a week later why not just search it at that point? Instead they have spent 5 months and hundreds of thousands of pounds looking for what on BSE CCTV? This makes no sense if Corrie accidentally ended up in a bin and missed.

Also why was Nicola only shown pictures of the landfill and not simply told where it was? Right now I'm more confused than ever and wonder just where this is going.

Your last line speaks for many of us here. Me anyway.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Honestly my early theory was the same. Corrie ended up in a bin by accident and wasn't spotted.

The problem is if the Biffa bin lorry is known to have traveled to Milton that morning (planned or not) and the Police felt the need to have the waste from BSE separated when they found out a few days/ a week later why not just search it at that point? Instead they have spent 5 months and hundreds of thousands of pounds looking for what on BSE CCTV? This makes no sense if Corrie accidentally ended up in a bin and missed.

Also why was Nicola only shown pictures of the landfill and not simply told where it was? Right now I'm more confused than ever and wonder just where this is going.

I think it must be more about catching the perp rather than the actual search imo. Would they be going to such lengths if they didn't suspect foul play/cover up? That is maybe why they didn't search initially because no evidence of anything in particular at that time.

 

[Pooks101]

Its actually 100k atm. Two separate 50k rewards.

Edit. I agree about the taxi driver comment.

I think Martin's reward is £15k? It was initially £10k and then increased?


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[DanceCard]

I think Martin's reward is £15k? It was initially £10k and then increased?


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That's what I thought also.

I took a break for a couple of days so maybe I missed it but I thought the rewards were 50k from a 'local business couple' and 10-15 from the McKeague family? I don't know about higher amounts. Should go back to taking a break!

 

[suzyjackson]

Honestly my early theory was the same. Corrie ended up in a bin by accident and wasn't spotted.

The problem is if the Biffa bin lorry is known to have traveled to Milton that morning (planned or not) and the Police felt the need to have the waste from BSE separated when they found out a few days/ a week later why not just search it at that point? Instead they have spent 5 months and hundreds of thousands of pounds looking for what on BSE CCTV? This makes no sense if Corrie accidentally ended up in a bin and missed.

Also why was Nicola only shown pictures of the landfill and not simply told where it was? Right now I'm more confused than ever and wonder just where this is going.

I still don't believe they will find C there, so many procedures have to have failed for a body to make it undetected into a landfill. Although maybe Biffa have done an internal investigation and found out that staff weren't doing their jobs properly and have come clean to the police. If they haven't, they probably should for their own sake, they could come out of this not looking good

JMO

 

[suzyjackson]

I think Martin's reward is £15k? It was initially £10k and then increased?


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However much it is and I can't remember for sure it hasn't had the publicity that the £50k has. I don't know why this is, maybe because the amount is lower but it could benefit from a higher profile IMO

 

[Justlookingme]

What I fail to understand is why are MSM ignoring the reward from the Mckeagues that is still available? Also why is the business couple reward only available if you phone the private phone number? Would the business couple get to know what info has been provided before they release the reward to the grass? It all seems strange IMO.

I found this very strange too!
We know the Suffolk police don't necessarily support the reward so I assume this is why the numbers are private but it just adds even more mystery to an already mysterious case.

I just hope they find him


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[Lambo1966]

Lurker here so apologies if I break the rules. The whole case is interesting but one particular recent detail stands out

"On-site preparatory work is already underway and the full scale search likely to commence around Wednesday 22 February once this initial work has been completed" https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague

Why wait until the 22nd February to search the landfill from date of announcement? Yes there's 'preparatory work' that needs to be done but it still seems a very long time. Is it a possibility that police have received information on a body location but no perp details? Could they be delaying to see if a movement attempt is mounted by guilty party/s?