UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #17

[penguinface]

And what about the Flex connection? Is that still "on" or has it been debunked?

JMO but I think the Flex/So Bar/Unique Bars potential links are far from debunked.

 

[easynic150]

Oh I dunno, maybe, I'm losing strength with this case and perhaps not following as much as I should....

So... why search now? Tip off? Evidence? Run out of other things to do?

Run out of things to do


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[Greater Than]

Do not sleuth the anonymous couple who donated the reward.

Do not suggest the couple may be involved in Corrie's disappearance.

Do not discuss info from the Facebook page. This has been a rule since November.

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Please follow the rules or risk losing your posting privileges.

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[Ruthbullock]

I watched a tv program about him a couple of weeks ago. I thought it was interesting from the point of view that as the perp he thought he was invincible! I think they made a tv documentary instigated by him, as he was that sure they'd never pin it on him? I know this is quite common with the perps that can't stay away from the case (IH being another one) but there doesn't seem anyone obviously doing this in C's case? That we know of anyway! Even with the reward money.


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And herein lies the problems with rewards etc. we spent our working days with Mitch, I lived around the corner from them, we all socialised with him. But he didn't just pull the wool over the medias eyes, he believed it himself, everyone around him believed it. It horrifies me to think back, but she was portrayed to his work colleagues as a bully and controlling. Nobody would have ever claimed a reward as nobody ever thought he was guilty, he was living the lie, completely. That is why sometimes no matter the reward or incentive, no one reports as people are drawn in to a story, believe their friends side.


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[Shiressleuth]

And what about the Flex connection? Is that still "on" or has it been debunked?

I don't really understand the theories or possible motives and so don't have many comments. Police have all the cctv so will know what has gone on at the venues. I don't think the "3 local men" TW comment has been helpful at all. What do you think?

 

[penguinface]

You mean you feel it was unhelpful to mention the "3 local men" as in he shouldn't have made such comments publicly? I think it's certainly helpful to armchair sleuths but if you meant in terms of giving those people a heads up that they're possibly in the frame, then I think I can understand what you mean, even if I'm not necessarily in full agreement.

ETA:

I don't really understand the theories or possible motives and so don't have many comments.

There only has to be motive for a punch/beating/"teaching a lesson", not necessarily any intent to kill.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

See, what I'm confused about is this.... we are told the phone might have gone in the bin lorry as the times matched, we are told this went to a recycling centre and possibly onwards to an incinerator. We are told it's unlikely a body would have gone throgh this process unnoticed.

Ok. All good. Strong chance the phone was in the bin.

Now. The landfill is nothing to do with any of the above. It's not even in the same county. Yet the police / family / landfill owners were aware of the possibility of Corrie / Corrie's things being there, just a few days after he vanished.

Why? Why would an out -of-county landfill be one of the first places earmarked, if the "bin lorry that followed the phone pings" went somewhere entirely different?

If someone can offer any glimmer of an explanation for this I'd be very grateful. I'm finding this case very hard to keep on top of (not to mention frustratingly ridiculous) and am on the verge of finally throwing the towel in.

 

[easynic150]

I also read it as this.

I was meaning in another article, I can't find the link but I thought it stated they were going to bring him back for questioning (this is a comment made after the arrest in Gibraltar)


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This one?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4207576/Gibraltar-police-BLOCK-RAF-jet-taking-off.html


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[Shiressleuth]

Tis a difficult one to call though imo.

Corrie is a 'missing person', so until such time as LE have enough evidence to believe foul play could be involved in his disappearance I wouldn't expect something like searching landfill to be authorised.

Police investigations are evidence led, but we know zilch about evidence. All we know is that his phone pinged in BM sometime Saturday morning, but that alone surely isn't enough to start searching landfill?
There is much more LE must know by now to do this.
I so hope this landfill search successfully takes this case forward though.

Either way it will certainly help the case and take it forward. They need to find a way of speeding up the process. Perhaps some of the public donations could help it happen faster?

 

[easynic150]

He may not even be there

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/upda...o-visit-landfill-site-ahead-of-police-search/


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[Shiressleuth]

There have certainly been some curious circumstances surrounding those who are shouting this theory the loudest on social media. .

Interestingly, before this search was announced, some of the prominent proponents of the "slept in a bin" theory were hesvily pushing the AWOL theory last week. A possibility of the body being found could help explain a shift in their chosen theory

RSBM

I am not following what exactly you are getting at with these two paragraphs. Could you be more specific and explain it further for me? Sorry, however it seems an important point you're making but it has gone right over my head.
Thanks.

 

[Shiressleuth]

This one?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4207576/Gibraltar-police-BLOCK-RAF-jet-taking-off.html


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This is also featured on RAF news.

 

[Pooks101]

And herein lies the problems with rewards etc. we spent our working days with Mitch, I lived around the corner from them, we all socialised with him. But he didn't just pull the wool over the medias eyes, he believed it himself, everyone around him believed it. It horrifies me to think back, but she was portrayed to his work colleagues as a bully and controlling. Nobody would have ever claimed a reward as nobody ever thought he was guilty, he was living the lie, completely. That is why sometimes no matter the reward or incentive, no one reports as people are drawn in to a story, believe their friends side.


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Jeepers! Just goes to show that we have no idea as to what goes on behind closed doors...


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[TheTruthWillOut]

See, what I'm confused about is this.... we are told the phone might have gone in the bin lorry as the times matched, we are told this went to a recycling centre and possibly onwards to an incinerator. We are told it's unlikely a body would have gone throgh this process unnoticed.

Ok. All good. Strong chance the phone was in the bin.

Now. The landfill is nothing to do with any of the above. It's not even in the same county. Yet the police / family / landfill owners were aware of the possibility of Corrie / Corrie's things being there, just a few days after he vanished.

Why? Why would an out -of-county landfill be one of the first places earmarked, if the "bin lorry that followed the phone pings" went somewhere entirely different?

If someone can offer any glimmer of an explanation for this I'd be very grateful. I'm finding this case very hard to keep on top of (not to mention frustratingly ridiculous) and am on the verge of finally throwing the towel in.

It is a good question. In the first instance I think it would be SOP for the Police to put a hold on the landfill when they found the bin lorry/phone ping connection before they figured it was recycling as a just in case? The question asked would be something like: where does rubbish for landfill from BSE end up? Answer= Milton.

Harder to explain is the Police press release stating nothing has been added to the pile since then. Unless the site operators have used a different hole/section since but that would be a big ask?

I really do think the Police got a forensic hit from testing a general waste bin taken from the second HS behind Mill House during the late January SB search.

 

[Shiressleuth]

See, what I'm confused about is this.... we are told the phone might have gone in the bin lorry as the times matched, we are told this went to a recycling centre and possibly onwards to an incinerator. We are told it's unlikely a body would have gone throgh this process unnoticed.

Ok. All good. Strong chance the phone was in the bin.

Now. The landfill is nothing to do with any of the above. It's not even in the same county. Yet the police / family / landfill owners were aware of the possibility of Corrie / Corrie's things being there, just a few days after he vanished.

Why? Why would an out -of-county landfill be one of the first places earmarked, if the "bin lorry that followed the phone pings" went somewhere entirely different?

If someone can offer any glimmer of an explanation for this I'd be very grateful. I'm finding this case very hard to keep on top of (not to mention frustratingly ridiculous) and am on the verge of finally throwing the towel in.

There must be other evidence (all the other cctv we have not seen for example) that we are not privy to. The interviews with friends and work colleagues, base cctv, vehicle details, the swinging sites, social media,. other peoples phone data, etc. etc.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

He may not even be there

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/upda...o-visit-landfill-site-ahead-of-police-search/


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The family are going to visit the landfill pre-search? How horribly sad and bleak.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

There must be other evidence (all the other cctv we have not seen for example) that we are not privy too. The interviews with friends and work colleagues, base cctv, vehicle details, the swinging sites, social media,. other peoples phone data, etc. etc.

I'm so confused Shiressleuth, I just don't get why the landfill was ever in the mix, if the Biffa lorry wouldn't ever have gone there. Am I being really thick??

 

[Deleted member 178385]

See, what I'm confused about is this.... we are told the phone might have gone in the bin lorry as the times matched, we are told this went to a recycling centre and possibly onwards to an incinerator. We are told it's unlikely a body would have gone throgh this process unnoticed.

Ok. All good. Strong chance the phone was in the bin.

Now. The landfill is nothing to do with any of the above. It's not even in the same county. Yet the police / family / landfill owners were aware of the possibility of Corrie / Corrie's things being there, just a few days after he vanished.

Why? Why would an out -of-county landfill be one of the first places earmarked, if the "bin lorry that followed the phone pings" went somewhere entirely different?

If someone can offer any glimmer of an explanation for this I'd be very grateful. I'm finding this case very hard to keep on top of (not to mention frustratingly ridiculous) and am on the verge of finally throwing the towel in.

BBM. The only explanation I can offer (and it's just my interpretation) is based on this family update from November. In the update, the process is described as follows:

"The waste is emptied out of the vehicle and then a supervised sortation process occurs. We are told that it is possible that a phone might pass through this process and be destroyed or disposed of in landfill" (BBM again)

Since Suffolk Council seems to make a big deal of the fact they don't have any landfill sites, this waste would have to be going to a landfill in another county. The only reason I can think of for the police to preserve that bit of that landfill is if the bin of interest eventually ended up there - I can't think of any other logical reason for landfill to be preserved.

I think there's a fair possibility that pressure has been put on the police by the landfill site owner to do their search 'now or never', as has been suggested on here. If it ever got out that the police had kept it preserved for 5 months then allowed it to be filled over without ever searching it, there would be uproar IMO.

 

[Colin]

If someone can offer any glimmer of an explanation for this I'd be very grateful. I'm finding this case very hard to keep on top of (not to mention frustratingly ridiculous) and am on the verge of finally throwing the towel in.

Every single update is unclear. Every single one. Times, phones, bins, messages, pings, locations, vehicles, bin lorries, taxis, cyclists, CCTV, incinerators, recycling centres and now landfill.

If somebody makes a movie about this viewers would never believe it was a true story.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It is a good question. In the first instance I think it would be SOP for the Police to put a hold on the landfill when they found the bin lorry/phone ping connection before they figured it was recycling as a just in case? The question asked would be something like: where does rubbish for landfill from BSE end up? Answer= Milton.

Harder to explain is the Police press release stating nothing has been added to the pile since then. Unless the site operators have used a different hole/section since but that would be a big ask?

I really do think the Police got a forensic hit from testing a general waste bin taken from the second HS behind Mill House during the late January SB search.

This is what I'm thinking too. Maybe not a forensic / DNA hit as such, but a potential cadaver alert by one of the dogs. It was weeks before those bins got tested and there will have been loads of rubbish through them in that time, but a cadaver dog should still pick up the scent of human death regardless.

FFS seems to me like it was NEVER the horseshoe, NEVER the Biffa lorry, and NEVER Barton Mills. If only someone had thought to concentrate all this effort at the other bin area round the corner.

Anyone fancy a group tantrum?
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