UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[Amonet]

While it would be good to find the phone, especially if Corrie is still with the phone, if the phone is in a landfill after going through a compactor, would it actually be much use to the investigation?

The police already know the details of his phone activity that night, don't they?

I can't say this very well, but though we can be disappointed police didn't search the landfill, would it really have added a lot of information if they had searched it and they had found the phone there? I don't see how that would give any clue to Corrie's whereabouts? Maybe they actually made a sensible decision when they chose to ignore the landfill (after searching the bin lorry, questioning the bin lorry driver, and if the load went to a recycling centre I hope they questioned the staff running the conveyor line). But if there's a cost-effectiveness equation, and there always is, maybe they made the best choice to focus on the searches between Bury and Honington, and Bury and Barton Mills, and the related locations that have been searched by people, helicopters, and dogs.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

I don't think this has been shared yet (apologies if it has and I've missed it!) ... "Police defend hunt for serviceman Corrie McKeague as family question tactics"

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Are you trying to find the phone or the person ?

No idea what's going on here.

We're trying to find anything that explains how he and his phone go to those bins and is never seen again! The only thing/people that come near him that morning was a bin lorry and driver and possibly three teenagers.

Both seem to have led nowhere from what little we have got from Suffolk Police.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Are you trying to find the phone or the person ?

No idea what's going on here.

Hmmmmmm, let me think on that a minute! Oh that will be the person then (but the phone and its reason for travelling somewhere may well be important). I'm still not convinced the phone didn't travel from the marketplace nearby to its final destination (with or without Corrie), <modsnip>

 

[JamesKing]

It's likely that he and his phone were separated.
So what is the use of hunting for a phone ?

If he "left" between 3.25am and 3.52am, then the phone reaching Barton at 4.20am, is of no consequence.
It is almost "after the fact".

 

[JamesKing]

Hmmmmmm, let me think on that a minute! Oh that will be the person then (but the phone and its reason for travelling somewhere may well be important). I'm still not convinced the phone didn't travel from the marketplace nearby to its final destination (with or without Corrie), <modsnip>

....but the phone and its reason for travelling somewhere may well be important.

Huge leap of faith that

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If he "left" between 3.25am and 3.52am, then the phone reaching Barton at 4.20am, is of no consequence.
It is almost "after the fact".

 

[Ruthbullock]

It's likely that he and his phone were separated.
So what is the use of hunting for a phone ?

If he "left" between 3.25am and 3.52am, then the phone reaching Barton at 4.20am, is of no consequence.
It is almost "after the fact".

And by doing that, are we not discounting the bike scenario, or any other means of travelling from near that area to another. At this moment everything is wooly, almost deliberately so, a future court case would require a jury that has had no knowledge of the case.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

....but the phone and its reason for travelling somewhere may well be important.

Huge leap of faith that

Why is that a huge leap of faith and your 'he and his phone were likely separated' not? Genuinely what is the difference?

 

[JamesKing]

And by doing that, are we not discounting the bike scenario, or any other means of travelling from near that area to another. At this moment everything is wooly, almost deliberately so, a future court case would require a jury that has had no knowledge of the case.

He pinched a bike ?

I can not even answer that as it really is so "middle England".

How many people leave a bike overnight ?
How many leave a bike overnight unlocked and expect to see it the next morning ?
Was Corrie carrying something unseen that could cut a bike chain ?
Was there a report of a stolen bike ?

...and the list goes on !

 

[JamesKing]

Why is that a huge leap of faith and your 'he and his phone were likely separated' not? Genuinely what is the difference?

Simple...

The police state (and the family confirm) that the phone took 28 minutes to get to Barton.
The last ping was at 4.20am
The bin lorry driver states he saw no one in that area

Unless you are accusing the bin lorry driver, then Corrie and his phone are separated.

 

[Amonet]

It's likely that he and his phone were separated.
So what is the use of hunting for a phone ?

If he "left" between 3.25am and 3.52am, then the phone reaching Barton at 4.20am, is of no consequence.
It is almost "after the fact".

Normally people carry their phone about their person (or in a bag), so if you find the phone, then you find the person.

If they've searched the route from Bury to Honington and found nothing there, then it was definitely worthwhile checking the location of the last phone ping just in case phone and owner were still close together.

ETA I don't think the bin lorry was the only vehicle going from Bury to Barton Mills/Mildenhall in that time frame.

 

[JamesKing]

Normally people carry their phone about their person (or in a bag), so if you find the phone, then you find the person.

If they've searched the route from Bury to Honington and found nothing there, then it was definitely worthwhile checking the location of the last phone ping just in case phone and owner were still close together.

ETA I don't think the bin lorry was the only vehicle going from Bury to Barton Mills/Mildenhall in that time frame.

Maybe not, but then you have to accept that if the bin lorry is not the only vehicle travelling somewhere and there are other vehicles on the road, then another vehicle could be travelling in a completely opposite direction.

As in "the possibility" and that is what you are saying "carries exactly the same weight as the other possibility"

 

[Ruthbullock]

He pinched a bike ?

I can not even answer that as it really is so "middle England".

How many people leave a bike overnight ?
How many leave a bike overnight unlocked and expect to see it the next morning ?
Was Corrie carrying something unseen that could cut a bike chain ?
Was there a report of a stolen bike ?

...and the list goes on !

<modsnip>Yes people leave bikes and yes there were reports of missing bikes that night and also a probably unlikely sighting of what may have been Corrie on a bike. My point however was more about the fixation on the bin lorry, when in actual fact it could have been other vehicles. <modsnip>

 

[Amonet]

Maybe not, but then you have to accept that if the bin lorry is not the only vehicle travelling somewhere and there are other vehicles on the road, then another vehicle could be travelling in a completely opposite direction.

As in "the possibility" and that is what you are saying "carries exactly the same weight as the other possibility"

Exactly my point.

ETA that's also why I said a few posts ago that finding the phone in the landfill wouldn't provide much information at all as to Corrie's whereabouts and what happened that night. But if it was found some other place then it could be a very important clue.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

ETA that's also why I said a few posts ago that finding the phone in the landfill wouldn't provide much information at all as to Corrie's whereabouts and what happened that night. But if it was found some other place then it could be a very important clue.

I don't think they've clarified which route the bin lorry took, but two of the three reasonable routes between BSE and BM are A class roads. I'd like to know whether there were any other phones pinging along the same route at roughly the same time. 4am or 4.30am is not an unearthly hour for others to be on the roads as well as the bin lorry.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Awww. Do I need to buy a hat?!
:heartbeat:

 

[JamesKing]

Exactly my point.

ETA that's also why I said a few posts ago that finding the phone in the landfill wouldn't provide much information at all as to Corrie's whereabouts and what happened that night. But if it was found some other place then it could be a very important clue.

Agree. But if the police are constrained by cost, then what is the point of finding it only to prove they have to "country wide" their search.

So, finding the phone, in the most logical place and costing a lot of resources to do so, doesn't actually prove much.

I get that it sounds wrong, but it is logical....if you take it in context of that night (and WE do not have all the context AND it would be amazing if the family have all the context)

 

[JamesKing]

Awww. Do I need to buy a hat?!
:heartbeat:

I like the name Ruth ! But don't tell her that.

<modsnip>

 

[JamesKing]

If (and this is just conjecture), you forget about the phone, you forget about Barton.

So you only have up to 3.52am to work with (because that is when the bin lorry arrives etc).
So you are working with a shorter time span, which doesn't help much.

Go back further and you are left with Corrie's actions.

How "normal" was that night ?
Did he think he'd "have to leave" the night club ?
What was a normal Friday night out like ?

The night out then becomes strange.

He didn't ring someone on his phone...but it appears he was meeting someone (and no, not gay stuff).
It seems likely he waited.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Simple...

The police state (and the family confirm) that the phone took 28 minutes to get to Barton.
The last ping was at 4.20am
The bin lorry driver states he saw no one in that area

Unless you are accusing the bin lorry driver, then Corrie and his phone are separated.

I think I remember the 28 minutes from earlier in the case but can't find it mentioned on anything recent.
The last movement (not ping?) was ~04:30 wasn't it? The phone was then stationary but still pinging? until it went dead/was switched off at ~08:00.
I assume the bin lorry driver said he didn't see anything suspicious or Corrie for that matter. We don't know if he saw any vehicles parked behind Greggs, either.

The bottom line right now is that so much info is missing that nothing can deduced or ruled out. At least in my feeble mind....:facepalm: