UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[MelmothTheLost]

but that would be for cars and small vans though wouldn't it and not LGV/HGVs with corporate waste?

Yes indeed.

For the benefit of any Americans still reading this thread (!), it might be worth describing these sort of sites in case they are different from those you are used to.

In essence, these are drive-through sites with rows of different skips/dumpsters each for a different type of waste, eg plastics, garden waste, electricals, clothes/shoes, ferrous metals, non-ferrous metals etc. There's often a place to leave things which still have life left in them that are free to take and reuse. Obviously you have to put your waste into the correct skip, and there are council employees to help you with large or heavy items. These employees will often sort through stuff and make sure things are in the right place, so there's NO WAY a body could pass through such a facility.

A phone? Maybe. But the facility would not open until 9am (they are locked up out of hours) and it's unclear whether the phone moved or not much after 4am.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

That's what isn't clear. Are the family using the generic term landfill to mean the recycling centre? I think it likely. So why did the Police deem it not worth searching and then release the bin lorry back to them?

We seem to have posted the same idea almost at the same time. Yes, I've wondered the same thing, and it may simply have been useful shorthand for them since they would likely not have any knowledge of the facilities in the area.

 

[Gene Hunt]

According to this there are no landfill sites in Barton Mills or nearby.

Edit- link doesn't work but go to environment agency website.

there is/was (?) A landfill/recycling facility at Lackford, halfway along the A1101. Even though it's not on the map it's still signposted from the road

 

[MidsummersDay]

Looks like the paper/cardboard waste recycling bins could have ended up at Great Blakenham, Wimblington and Newport (near Telford) according to the official website? Or even Sittingbourne, Norfolk, Thetford or Ipswich!! :/

...So presumably this would leave us with the very slow/type specific bin lorry collecting the waste paper from commercial outlets, taking the days collections to a holding area (Biffa at Hollow Road?) for onward movement by another type specific vehicle (Class 2 or even 3 HGV?) to the locations I mentioned earlier?

 

[guruagain]

GeneHunt, It is closed down now according to website and the map above I am only showing open places.

ETA - Actually it is on the map but Lackford in wrong direction.

 

[Gene Hunt]

GeneHunt, It is closed down now according to website and the map above I am only showing open places.

Yep I wasn't sure on that. So there's nowhere local to Barton mills that a bin lorry would empty out.That doesn't explain a signal from his phone being in the area from 430 am until 8am

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Amonet - That is just crazy. How many weeks? Initially we are told its card and paper - why is that going to a landfill? How can they be 100% certain that Corrie is not also in that landfill. They may have weighed the bin but that doesn't stop him for being foolish and jumping on the back for a ride and going in the back?

The bin lorry arrived in Barton Mills at 4am or shortly afterwards. It's very unlikely that a landfill site would open much before 8am so what would the bin lorry be doing in the meantime?

And you are right - paper and cardboard would not be going to landfill in any event.

Taking these two together I really don't see any real prospect that Corrie ended up in any of the local landfills so searching them would have been pointless. Apart from anything else these sites are secured out of hours. I'm guessing that the police securing the sites was a purely precautionary measure when they realised a bin lorry and the phone had been travelling in much the same direction at much the same time, but I think the bin lorry is a red herring insofar as Corrie himself is concerned.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

Post from Uncle Tony on the FB page re CCTV / police resources etc:

"Similar to a previous post I re-posted on the main thread - said gave the response below to a question I was asked:

...lack of resources or incompetence.

There are very competent, dedicated officers involved, but the team is very small. Far too small to deal with the scale of investigation they are dealing with.

This is most is most apparent in regard to the cctv. They largely had to wait for people to contact them with it as they didn't have the capacity to go out and do a comprehensive sweep.

The people reviewing it all (hundreds of hours) were not experienced camera room operators, which is an expertise acquired over months or years to be able to intuitively recognise the absence of the normal and presence of the abnormal. These were Admin staff, pulled in and given quick training on how to log what they were seeing - counting people and cars basically. Also limited by the technical resources available to view. The Investigation team have refused to tell us how much they've viewed versus how much is left still to view - because it will reveal how chronically under resourced they are.

They have only just sent it to the NCA for assistance, but that is not to use their capability and capacity to review all the cctv again - it is to review the processes they went through to confirm if they used 'good practice' or not.

It is the same as the MIT inviting in another force to do an 'independent' review of the investigation once they'd taken over - we were told "much sooner than normal or before they were required to" - why? To identify if things were being done optimally, or to be able to use as an arse covering exercise in the media later on.

Underfunded. Under-resourced.
Overwhelmed."

 

[MelmothTheLost]

there is/was (?) A landfill/recycling facility at Lackford, halfway along the A1101. Even though it's not on the map it's still signposted from the road

Yes, there was, but it was a historic (closed) site. They show up as pink on the maps. It last received waste in 1976 so it's time the sign was taken down.

http://maps.environment-agency.gov....ps=2&queryWindowWidth=25&queryWindowHeight=25

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

The bin lorry arrived in Barton Mills at 4am or shortly afterwards. It's very unlikely that a landfill site would open much before 8am so what would the bin lorry be doing in the meantime?

And you are right - paper and cardboard would not be going to landfill in any event.

Taking these two together I really don't see any real prospect that Corrie ended up in any of the local landfills so searching them would have been pointless. Apart from anything else these sites are secured out of hours. I'm guessing that the police securing the sites was a purely precautionary measure when they realised a bin lorry and the phone had been travelling in much the same direction at much the same time, but I think the bin lorry is a red herring insofar as Corrie himself is concerned.

I thought the bin lorry made the pick-up in Bury/back of Greggs at around 04:00 and then was in Barton Mills/Mildenhall area around 04:30 which matched roughly to the times and movement of Corrie's phone and the pings etc?

This is leaving aside the ~04:20 time of the bin lorry driver spotting the teenagers...

I just want to know where the bin lorry was heading. If it was to the Mildenhall recycling centre then does that mean the driver had keys to let himself in at that time of the morning? Why not use the Rougham Hill site in Bury as that is much closer?

So many unanswered questions and confusion for something that could be simply explained by the Police if they would talk.

 

[JamesKing]

I think an avenue that might be explored is that Corrie was waiting for someone.
It is speculated that he was offered a lift by the USAF guy, but this was refused (but no reason is given thereafter).

It is also speculated that Corrie is walking "with purpose" to the doorway, where he then waits (sometimes dozing) until 3.24am. That seems to be something that maybe of importance.

The last ping from the phone appears to come at 4.20am, so whatever happened to the rubbish at that time, would be crucial. Was it emptied from the lorry and then compacted into another container before being transferred elsewhere?

Establishing if Corrie was with his phone, seems to be an important point, but given the timings of the collection, the 28 minute journey time, the capture at Fiveways of the bin lorry by motion camera...and what they know happened at 4.20am to the rubbish that had been in the bin lorry, seems to be known by the police, although unconfirmed to anyone else.

The other point of interest is, it seems highly likely Corrie left by vehicle. But it is highly likely he went unwillingly and not with the bin lorry. The possibility he could be "anywhere" is something that likely has been/ is being considered.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I thought the bin lorry made the pick-up in Bury/back of Greggs at around 04:00 and then was in Barton Mills/Mildenhall area around 04:30 which matched roughly to the times and movement of Corrie's phone and the pings etc?

This is leaving aside the ~04:20 time of the bin lorry driver spotting the teenagers...

Damn. I'm getting confused. You're right - back of Greggs at 4am, Barton Mills around 4.30am except for the teenagers.

I just want to know where the bin lorry was heading. If it was to the Mildenhall recycling centre then does that mean the driver had keys to let himself in at that time of the morning?

No, he wouldn't have had a key for there because it was a household waste site for use by householders and some very small local businesses.

Why not use the Rougham Hill site in Bury as that is much closer?

That's a household waste site as well according to the maps.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

So where was the bin lorry heading then, MelmothTheLost? Could someone with Facebook ask on the Find Corrie page where the bin lorry was heading and which landfill site they keep referring to is?

 

[MidsummersDay]

The bin lorry arrived in Barton Mills at 4am or shortly afterwards. It's very unlikely that a landfill site would open much before 8am so what would the bin lorry be doing in the meantime?

And you are right - paper and cardboard would not be going to landfill in any event

Isn't the bin lorry just guilty by association? I seem to recall (I could be wrong) that the 'timings and phone signal could only matched to the speed of a bin lorry that was in the area at the time'? The bin lorry idea is the only one that matches the timings, therefore they included it in their enquiries.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Was it a biffa bin collection, rather than council?

 

[MidsummersDay]

So where was the bin lorry heading then, MelmothTheLost? Could someone with Facebook ask on the Find Corrie page where the bin lorry was heading and which landfill site they keep referring to is?

I think that's going to be an open ended answer to be honest. I looked into it and posted it earlier. I'm beginning to think that the bin lorry theory is just a coincidence.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Was it a biffa bin collection, rather than council?

looking at the stock photos of the bin area I'd say that users of the bins would be fairly territorial about placement and use. After all, they're paying for the use of them. So in answer to your question, I've matched them to Biffa bins. Anybody local that could take a look perhaps?

 

[Ruthbullock]

Https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place...2!3m1!1s0x47d84c8b9e35b2ab:0x9a37c26db0fc7545
Is the collection point

 

[MidsummersDay]

So where was the bin lorry heading then, MelmothTheLost? Could someone with Facebook ask on the Find Corrie page where the bin lorry was heading and which landfill site they keep referring to is?

I'd guess back to the Hollow Road Biffa site via a few dozen places such as food outlets, hotels, pubs, shops etc?

 

[Ruthbullock]

And I think that is potentially why they have discarded that theory - biffa bins have cctv on disposals and a lot of staff at their sites as a private company.