UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[MidsummersDay]

If you're talking about a homemade map, then those are usually coveted by users of the forum. I don't know every rule of the forum, but I would just make sure to notate any image upload with either where it came from or that it's self-made.

In that case, here's a map with the location of all the phone masts between BSE and BM:
Source is Mastdata.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I've just seen a post by Nicola on the FB page. I'll type it out instead of screenshot though.

Wow....

Now where is the landfill located?

 

[Amonet]

Wow....

Now where is the landfill located?

I don't know. But, there needs to be a caution on this that Tony Wringe has said that the triangulation might not come down to a specific location and could cover at least several kilometres. So we haven't been told that the pings definitively go to the refuse centre/recycling centre/rubbish tip.

 

[suzyjackson]

I've just seen a post by Nicola on the FB page. I'll type it out instead of screenshot though.

So to me that suggests that they identifed an area of the landfill site that they knew the load had been tipped into but because of the passage of time other loads had been tipped on top and so there would be a lot to search through.

I can kind of see why at an early stage the police didn't feel that it was justified to spend the resources doing the search, hindsight here has proved this probably to be the wrong decision it's a real pity they didn't keep that area cordoned off in some way to allow them the opportunity to change their minds at a later date.

And, yes, why is recycable rubbish going to landfill - a question for the local council imo

 

[guruagain]

According to this there are no landfill sites in Barton Mills or nearby.

Edit- link doesn't work but go to environment agency website.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I don't know. But, there needs to be a caution on this that Tony Wringe has said that the triangulation might not come down to a specific location and could cover at least several kilometres. So we haven't been told that the pings definitively go to the refuse centre/recycling centre/rubbish tip.

Yes it definitely needs clarification because all I can find is this: http://www.greensuffolk.org/recycling/where-it-goes/landfill/

According to that there are no landfill sites in the area now? I can only assume the family are talking about the recycling centre and calling that landfill? If the above is correct though then I also then assume that any non-recyclable waste ends up in a compactor here and then transported to the energy from waste facility at Great Blakenham near Ipswich?

 

[Amonet]

The other thing I've been thinking is that the phone could have been taken from Corrie (or picked up on the street) and thrown into a bin anywhere, and then taken in a landfill collection.

But in the first two weeks of a missing person inquiry under these circumstances, I think the police really expected that Corrie had met with an accident and that they'd find something concrete soon without needing to search the landfill.

There's a case at the moment, I think in the Newcastle area, and I haven't seen it in national news (not that look, so that doesn't mean anything) of a man who went missing and two weeks later his body was found in a river. I think that's what the police would have considered the most likely outcome for Corrie. It might not be realistic to expect landfill searches for every person who goes missing under these circumstances. In retrospect, five weeks on, it is regrettable that that couldn't be done.

There was a post asking about the three young people near the shopping centre? I came across some mentions of them in the police appeals and the time given for sighting of them was 4.20am, but it didn't say who by. It then added some details of their appearance, and those details suggest to me that more than one person saw them hanging around or they were caught on CCTV at some point.

 

[MidsummersDay]

And, yes, why is recycable rubbish going to landfill - a question for the local council imo

I'm not sure it is to be honest. I've started looking into that and it would appear that the paper possibly goes to the ports for shipment to...(?).

 

[JamesKing]

I think the police may think...

....if the bin weight was way less than 90Kgs and the last ping was at 4.20am in the Barton Mills area, which is where the rubbish from the bin lorry initially ended up then it follows that the phone is in the rubbish tip.

Of course that is twisted logic, because the phone may not have been in the rubbish. And so not in the bin lorry.

The main question is, why did the phone stop pinging at 4.20am ?

If the bin lorry emptied the rubbish in a compactor, then that may be the answer.
If it didn't, then there has to be another reason why the phone stopped pinging at that time. Which could mean it went into water or it was in a place it could not transmit. Or it was manually "turned off".

 

[Amonet]

To my knowledge we haven't been told that the phone stopped pinging at 4.20am?

All I remember seeing is that the phone traveled in the direction of the Barton Mills/Mildenhall area between around 4 and 4.30 am, then stayed in that area, and the pings stopped around 8am.

 

[guruagain]

Jamesking, The phone didn't stop pinging at 4.20 - I thought it stopped moving at 4.20 and stopped pinging at 8am.

 

[suzyjackson]

Yes it definitely needs clarification because all I can find is this: http://www.greensuffolk.org/recycling/where-it-goes/landfill/

According to that there are no landfill sites in the area now? I can only assume the family are talking about the recycling centre and calling that landfill? If the above is correct though then I also then assume that any non-recyclable waste ends up in a compactor here and then transported to the energy from waste facility at Great Blakenham near Ipswich?

If that's the case I'd hope that the compactor has some kind of safety mechanism that would make it stop if somehow a person ended up in there.

To be clear I don't think that's what happened but if we knew whether that was the case it would lay to rest that theory once and for all

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Surely they've had both trail and cadaver dogs run over that area of the tip and also the bin lorry. It would be ridiculous not to. But then several things stand out as a bit ridiculous to me!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I just can't help thinking there's LESS to this than we think.

If I cherry pick some of the info we have (which may or may not be entirely accurate)

Corrie apparently told someone he was planning to walk home
He was last seen at the bottom of Short Brackland which would be a common sense route home
There is no CCTV along that road
The dogs allegedly picked up his scent to Tesco / sugar factory roundabout
A witness saw someone who might have been Corrie somewhere near the sugar factory
Someone on the FB page saw someone suspicious digging in a wooded area near the roundabout

I really want to know if that whole area has been thoroughly searched. I saw someone on FB say they had been to the nature reserve area and it was very boggy underfoot. Easier to hide a body?? Why would someone be "jangling chains" and digging in an inaccessible area, where there is also an old hut nearby? I didn't s/s the post so can't remember much more detail but it seemed very sus to me.

I'm just thinking about Adrian Lynch and how close he was the whole time.

 

[JamesKing]

Amonet....

Yeah, apparently it did. Way up the postings, I was trying to explain.
But the last ping was at 4.20am (about).

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

If that's the case I'd hope that the compactor has some kind of safety mechanism that would make it stop if somehow a person ended up in there.

To be clear I don't think that's what happened but if we knew whether that was the case it would lay to rest that theory once and for all

Like you say it is a highly unlikely scenario.

This a tough one all round because there might be genuine reasons why Suffolk Police dismissed the bin lorry/recycling centre/landfill theory and if that happened and it was because they found things out that now means they can't talk about it, not even to the family...

Someone in authority has got to address the situation soon because I can't see how it can be left to the family to investigate themselves via SM. Clearly they are in the dark about a lot of stuff and are guessing like us.

 

[suzyjackson]

Surely they've had both trail and cadaver dogs run over that area of the tip and also the bin lorry. It would be ridiculous not to. But then several things stand out as a bit ridiculous to me!

Actually I'd be surprised if they had done that.

Aren't cadaver dogs quite rare? I don't think every police force has them, it's got to be expensive to do that kind of search but maybe it's something the family might organise for the sake of completeness and to eliminate certain areas.

 

[suzyjackson]

Like you say it is a highly unlikely scenario.

This a tough one all round because there might be genuine reasons why Suffolk Police dismissed the bin lorry/recycling centre/landfill theory and if that happened and it was because they found things out that now means they can't talk about it, not even to the family...

Someone in authority has got to address the situation soon because I can't see how it can be left to the family to investigate themselves via SM. Clearly they are in the dark about a lot of stuff and are guessing like us.

I do think it's unlikely and one of the main reasons is the design of the bin.

A living person imo would have no reason to climb into the bin and just the physical act of doing that isn't going to be easy anyway

A dead person is going to take more than one perp to hoist up high and into the bin and get into and out of the area without being seen.

And, without wanting t obe too gruesome a body in a compactor is going to leave behind evidence that it was there.

 

[suzyjackson]

I just can't help thinking there's LESS to this than we think.

If I cherry pick some of the info we have (which may or may not be entirely accurate)

Corrie apparently told someone he was planning to walk home
He was last seen at the bottom of Short Brackland which would be a common sense route home
There is no CCTV along that road
The dogs allegedly picked up his scent to Tesco / sugar factory roundabout
A witness saw someone who might have been Corrie somewhere near the sugar factory
Someone on the FB page saw someone suspicious digging in a wooded area near the roundabout

I really want to know if that whole area has been thoroughly searched. I saw someone on FB say they had been to the nature reserve area and it was very boggy underfoot. Easier to hide a body?? Why would someone be "jangling chains" and digging in an inaccessible area, where there is also an old hut nearby? I didn't s/s the post so can't remember much more detail but it seemed very sus to me.

I'm just thinking about Adrian Lynch and how close he was the whole time.

ITA,

I wouldn't include the possible sighting in my list though as Nicola did explain why that was unlikely to be true on one of her posts. I know we're not allowed to post them and I probably couldn't find it again but she seemed confident it wasn't a lead

 

[ChuckieD]

Just playing catch up. Am I right in thinking that the bin lorry driver said he saw three teenagers hanging around yet there's no sight of them on CCTV etc? Do we know how long it was between Corrie going to towards the bin area and the bin lorry arriving? Has the bin lorry been forensically searched including the cab?.........:thinking:

Somebody on FB mentioned they had CCTV from that night and the police needed to hurry before they recorded over it (why would you even do that?!) - I wonder if Corrie was on it, surely he must have been if the person mentioned it at all.

This is just bizarre, you'd think people can't just vanish but they do. I lived in Ipswich when Luke Durbin disappeared and I have always been of the mind that he went into the river/canal but Corrie's disappearance is certainly making me rethink that.