UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[JamesKing]

I think I remember the 28 minutes from earlier in the case but can't find it mentioned on anything recent.
The last movement (not ping?) was ~04:30 wasn't it? The phone was then stationary but still pinging? until it went dead/was switched off at ~08:00.
I assume the bin lorry driver said he didn't see anything suspicious or Corrie for that matter. We don't know if he saw any vehicles parked behind Greggs, either.

The bottom line right now is that so much info is missing that nothing can deduced or ruled out. At least in my feeble mind....:facepalm:

I wrote something about a notification I received before the update up the post somewhere.
But it appears, from that it was 4.20am that the last ping happened.

Edit, I think I got it by accident. Or rather a group got it by accident. Not sure I was suppose to be one of the group.
I have no idea how genuine it is however. But it was a minute before the update....and the wording seemed the same.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I wrote something about a notification I received before the update up the post somewhere.
But it appears, from that it was 4.20am that the last ping happened.

Well I can't see that if his phone last pinged at 4:20am in Barton Mills and the bin lorry driver saw the teenagers around 4:20am then how? If you believe the bin lorry man then the phone didn't go via the bin lorry...

Now I'm confusing myself...again!

 

[JamesKing]

Well I can't see that if his phone last pinged at 4:20am in Barton Mills and the bin lorry driver saw the teenagers around 4:20am then how? If you believe the bin lorry man then the phone didn't go via the bin lorry...

Now I'm confusing myself...again!

I don't recall that "the bin lorry driver" saw the teens.
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[TheTruthWillOut]

I'm sure the bin lorry driver seeing the teens was discussed yesterday? Anyone else want to confirm or deny this before I go lay down?

 

[Amonet]

I don't think they've clarified which route the bin lorry took, but two of the three reasonable routes between BSE and BM are A class roads. I'd like to know whether there were any other phones pinging along the same route at roughly the same time. 4am or 4.30am is not an unearthly hour for others to be on the roads as well as the bin lorry.

I would also like to know that! I thought of that earlier and really hope they have a tech team working on angles like that.

 

[ChuckieD]

Possibly true, however his mum posted he left of his own accord and was not asked to leave as was previously reported. Any could potentially be true- I take all those postings with caution, I feel his mum is trying to be proactive, but is also in the difficult position of defending her sons moral code.

Thin line, I guess but I think the same. Especially as the sleeping in a doorway footage is 'distressing' as somebody posted before.

I wonder if they have searched camp. To be fair, I've spent the vast majority of military life in Germany where camp was absolutely huge but there were a few known ungated, unguarded points of camp that literally anybody could get onto camp from if they knew it was there. Not sure how big his base was and if that's a possibility, taking a shortcut across fields etc

 

[Amonet]

I'm sure the bin lorry driver seeing the teens was discussed yesterday? Anyone else want to confirm or deny this before I go lay down?

I think it's stated in the update that went out with that Twitter thing yesterday. But it is not stated in the Suffolk Constabulary releases that it was the bin lorry driver who saw the kids/teens. As I posted earlier, their reports went from wanting to talk to three teens to descriptions with colours of clothing....and that would be hard to see under street lighting unless you walked right past them.

 

[suzyjackson]

I don't recall that "the bin lorry driver" saw the teens.
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The family update specifically says that the bin driver saw the teens<modsnip>

 

[JamesKing]

I think it's stated in the update that went out with that Twitter thing yesterday. But it is not stated in the Suffolk Constabulary releases that it was the bin lorry driver who saw the kids/teens. As I posted earlier, their reports went from wanting to talk to three teens to descriptions with colours of clothing....and that would be hard to see under street lighting unless you walked right past them.

Dark clothing, I think it says.

 

[suzyjackson]

I posted the quote yesterday but here it is again

"Police made an appeal requesting assistance to trace three people believed to be aged 16 to 18 who were spotted by the bin lorry driver on Cornhill Walk shopping centre on Short Brackland, Bury, at around 4.20am on September 24. They are described as a white female, of quite slim build, possibly with blonde hair wearing either a dark green or navy blue jumper-style top, and two males, one wearing a hooded top. These three have been identified and spoken too."

From the thunderclap statement

 

[JamesKing]

But whatever time frame you have worked out, I see it as what I see it as.

The other bit in the puzzle is, it seems that the USAF guy offered him a lift home.

So food and two hours in the doorway...OR home, food, dog and bed ?
I guess I know what I would choose.

 

[suzyjackson]

Possibly true, however his mum posted he left of his own accord and was not asked to leave as was previously reported. Any could potentially be true- I take all those postings with caution, I feel his mum is trying to be proactive, but is also in the difficult position of defending her sons moral code.

I don't suppose you can link to this can you, I've only seen Nicola say that he left the club "by himself" and I wonder of this has been interpreted as "of his own accord"

Uncle Tony was clear at the start that they knew Corrie was drunk and they knew he'd been asked to leave the club

 

[MidsummersDay]

He pinched a bike ?

I can not even answer that as it really is so "middle England".

How many people leave a bike overnight ?
How many leave a bike overnight unlocked and expect to see it the next morning ?
Was Corrie carrying something unseen that could cut a bike chain ?
Was there a report of a stolen bike ?

...and the list goes on !

...and now we MIGHT be getting somewhere! Here's a thought. Corrie is last seen at 0324. The phone pings at a steady rate receiving updates between the BSE mast area and the BM mast area. It's recorded as travelling at a speed "that only a bin lorry could travel at and matches its route". How does this fit the model:

Corrie sees the opportunity to use a bicycle (buys/begs/borrows) that is in the market square and makes his way towards the BM mast. That would explain the speed element and the timing too. It would be getting busy with market stalls presumably and vans blocking CCTV view points would offer up a limited escape route? It's a MODEL remember. No casting aspersions or questioning integrity.

 

[suzyjackson]

I notice in the interview with the ex-detective that there is a blue bin behind Greggs and it is this one that is for cardboard/paper? The BSE council do do collections for small businesses according to the website: http://www.westsuffolk.gov.uk/Business/commercial_services/recycling-services.cfm

So my logic here is that the council did collect and therefore must have took it to one of their 11 household recycling centres. The one in Mildenhall being the closest one that deals with cardboard? to where Corrie's phone pinged last?

I think it could be possible that the bin lorry man worked nights/early mornings collecting local small business cardboard?

Looking at Biffa and their bins are red and they are located very close to where there was a possible sighting of Corrie. They are on the Hollow Road industrial estate.

The lack of clarification about anything is really making this hard to make sense of though and I feel if this carries on for the next few days the public interest will dwindle. So frustrating.

BBM - hasn't it been confirmed that the waste was collected by a private firm. I think this came out when people were querying whether the council would collect in the middle of the night

 

[JamesKing]

I think it's stated in the update that went out with that Twitter thing yesterday. But it is not stated in the Suffolk Constabulary releases that it was the bin lorry driver who saw the kids/teens. As I posted earlier, their reports went from wanting to talk to three teens to descriptions with colours of clothing....and that would be hard to see under street lighting unless you walked right past them.

Then there is a HUGE discrepancy.

I understand that the last ping was 4.20am ish.

If the bin man saw the kids (at 4.20am) then add 28mins of journey and then you're at "past quarter to five" before the bin lorry gets to the "depot".

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I'm sure the bin lorry driver seeing the teens was discussed yesterday? Anyone else want to confirm or deny this before I go lay down?

You are correct - it was within the Thunderclap update:

Police made an appeal requesting assistance to trace three people believed to be aged 16 to 18 who were spotted by the bin lorry driver on Cornhill Walk shopping centre on Short Brackland, Bury, at around 4.20am on September 24.

As others have pointed out, the bin lorry should have been nearly at B Mills by then.

I'm starting to get timings muddled, is this right? 3am (woke up), 3:08 (texted), 3:24 (left doorway), 3:25 (CCTV), 4.00 (bin lorry arrived), 4:20 (sighting), 4:28 (can't remember), 4:30 (phone stopped moving)

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

BBM - hasn't it been confirmed that the waste was collected by a private firm. I think this came out when people were querying whether the council would collect in the middle of the night

No idea. I haven't seen that myself but if it is true then wouldn't that mean Biffa and therefore Hollow Road? Unless anyone knows of any other private refuse companies?

We desperately need new information.

 

[MidsummersDay]

I don't think they've clarified which route the bin lorry took, but two of the three reasonable routes between BSE and BM are A class roads. I'd like to know whether there were any other phones pinging along the same route at roughly the same time. 4am or 4.30am is not an unearthly hour for others to be on the roads as well as the bin lorry.

Im guessing this is the probable route the phone took to the BM mast area.

 

[suzyjackson]

I think I remember the 28 minutes from earlier in the case but can't find it mentioned on anything recent.
The last movement (not ping?) was ~04:30 wasn't it? The phone was then stationary but still pinging? until it went dead/was switched off at ~08:00.
I assume the bin lorry driver said he didn't see anything suspicious or Corrie for that matter. We don't know if he saw any vehicles parked behind Greggs, either.

The bottom line right now is that so much info is missing that nothing can deduced or ruled out. At least in my feeble mind....:facepalm:

I've been trying to find a link for the phone ping info, I agree with your recollection, there must be pings after 4.30am. There was in the early days a mention on Mildenhall at 8am based on pings but that seems to have gone away now

 

[suzyjackson]

...and now we MIGHT be getting somewhere! Here's a thought. Corrie is last seen at 0324. The phone pings at a steady rate receiving updates between the BSE mast area and the BM mast area. It's recorded as travelling at a speed "that only a bin lorry could travel at and matches its route". How does this fit the model:

Corrie sees the opportunity to use a bicycle (buys/begs/borrows) that is in the market square and makes his way towards the BM mast. That would explain the speed element and the timing too. It would be getting busy with market stalls presumably and vans blocking CCTV view points would offer up a limited escape route? It's a MODEL remember. No casting aspersions or questioning integrity.

I think the original quote was at speeds only a vehicle could move at, the bin lorry was identified by some kind of motion activated camera as being in the right place at the right time. The opinion of the locals on facebook seems to be that it would be some kind of monitoring camera by the large roundabout, there seem to be several cameras around there