UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[MidsummersDay]

Here is my question, James.

When was the next bin lorry pickup after the one at ~04:00 on the 24th?

I would like to know the above to see if my "simple" theory could work. There had to be another rubbish pickup over that weekend before Corrie was missed but I haven't read that other bin pickups have been looked into?

Can I ask why there 'had' to be another Rubbish pickup in your opinion?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Can I ask why there 'had' to be another Rubbish pickup in your opinion?

'Had' is probably too strong but these bins were for businesses and fill up quick and like I say the lead time from Corrie going missing and the Police finding out the last place he was seen was at them bins is a long time.

I just want to try and rule out the most simple theory that fits what little we know before going looking into the leaving via vehicle theory which even with CCTV it still sounds like there is nothing definitive yet.

 

[MidsummersDay]

The police haven't said that the teenagers are suspected of any crimes. They could have arrived there after 3.30...maybe that's why they didn't see anything? The police put out a description of them that I assume was all the description they could get, and that's there to help them or someone they know recognise them so they can contact the police or the police can find them. They've been found. They would not have been the only people out in BSE that night...if it was club closing time then there should have been quite a few people around, it's just that most were walking around and not drawing as much attention to themselves by hanging around in one place and maybe being a bit noisy.

Yes but if you lump all the facts together along with the inferences it make sense.

The 'teenagers' could have been there a hell of a lot longer than before 0352. Speculation.
The bin lorry driver saw the three 'teenagers'. Fact.
That must have been from at least 0352 onwards. Speculation based on inferences.
The 'teenagers' could or could not have been guilty of this possible crime. Fact.
The phone last pinged between 0420 and approximately 0800 in the Barton Mills mast area. Fact.
I find it difficult to understand why anyone would be arguing at a god awful early hour of the morning.

 

[MidsummersDay]

'Had' is probably too strong but these bins were for businesses and fill up quick and like I say the lead time from Corrie going missing and the Police finding out the last place he was seen was at them bins is a long time.

I just want to try and rule out the most simple theory that fits what little we know before going looking into the leaving via vehicle theory which even with CCTV it still sounds like there is nothing definitive yet.

Have a look at my previous models that I suggested. You might agree with them (or not).

 

[hermes&&]

Can I ask why there 'had' to be another Rubbish pickup in your opinion?

I would like to know when the police seized control of that area, was it on Monday or later in the week .

It's reasonable to assume that after a weekends trade there would have been collections in the week.

We just need to rule out the possibility that he was in one of the other bins, unlikely because he would probably have been seen when the bin was used but it's a loose end.







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[bestie]

The reason for the drive into BSE has been explained on the fb group.

Note: this info came from someone who heard 2nd hand from people who attended a talk Nicola gave to a local school. There were 2 cars going from the base into BSE. some kind of mix up meant that each car thought Corrie was in the other and he ended up being left behind and thus totally unplanned had to drive himself there

Could this have led to a bit of ill feeling regarding him being left behind. We have not really heard much about the reasons for him leaving the club early. I wonder where the other cars parked.

 

[Gene Hunt]

My first post on Websleuths..

Three young men have now gone missing in this geographical area. Corrie - 23, Joseph Newton - 25, and Luke Durbin - 19. Is there a link? What is going on in Suffolk?

Heavy continuous cutbacks in the local police service

 

[chickenbeakin]

I think this is the fear of the family, soon with not enough police time and funding. Not to mention no evidence of foul play they have to have that talk. If there is no response this weekend, I fear it will be called just missing.

 

[Scottishem1]

My first post on Websleuths..

Three young men have now gone missing in this geographical area. Corrie - 23, Joseph Newton - 25, and Luke Durbin - 19. Is there a link? What is going on in Suffolk?

I've followed the Websleuths forum closely on this case (amazing insights and hardworking from everyone this forum really is a great one I have enjoyed reading for over a year but I am nervous to post ) and and couldn't agree with you more . Just hope something breaks soon for this family my heart breaks for them ��

 

[Ruthbullock]

Sulsar have updated there page- they are widening the search areas.

 

[MidsummersDay]

I would like to know when the police seized control of that area, was it on Monday or later in the week .

It's reasonable to assume that after a weekends trade there would have been collections in the week.

We just need to rule out the possibility that he was in one of the other bins, unlikely because he would probably have been seen when the bin was used but it's a loose end.

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I'm of the understanding that a person who is suspected of being missing can be reported immediately and NOT 24hours after the notification. I believe Corrie was missing from duty on Monday morning and reported missing Monday afternoon. I would imagine the earliest a search that would have been made (or even anything remotely organised) would have been Tuesday am.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Could this have led to a bit of ill feeling regarding him being left behind. We have not really heard much about the reasons for him leaving the club early. I wonder where the other cars parked.

It does offer answers to a few questions in my mind; ie, driving his own car into BSE, drinking fast to play catch up, being boisterous because of the drink, being loud and getting 'ejected' from the nightclub, walking with purpose (still in a grump?) with his kebab, (potentially causing a fracas and ending off worse). Yep, all knits together nicely for me.
Im starting to form a very solid opinion now based on what we've learnt so far.

 

[Scottishem1]

if this is inappropriate please remove . Although loose in the Damien nettles case he is spotted on CCTV all night then the police bungled some of the investigation including loosing vital CCTV evidence . there was a heavy army presence on the Isle of Wight on the night Damien disappeared. 4 Army guys were seen on CCTV in a chip shop with Damien and not identified despite appeal for 14 years . There are do many similarities between this case and more . Damien was tall and didn't look 16 I'm just wondering if he could have been mistaken for one of the soldiers.... a wide theory I know but I keep seeing cases that are just carbon copies of each other more and more recently and wonder if there's more to it 🤔

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[MelmothTheLost]

Didn't know knocking shops stayed open that late.

I have to say it's not something I have personal experience of so have no real idea. It was merely mentioned earlier but not picked up on by anyone. However, when I've read in local papers about the police raiding them, it's often on the basis of local residents' complaints about men coming and going at all hours.

 

[BookCollector]

I'll concur with others who have said the police have totally botched this. They're only *now* having SULSAR check Barton Mills?

There's a big problem with the so-called police "forces" in the UK. Political correctness run amok in the ranks, 'elf and safety to a ridiculous degree, and very few left who still believe in real boots on the ground policing. They prefer to catch speeders and stalk social media for thought crimes, rather than catch murderers and rapists.

It's a huge social problem, and this is very par for the course. Incompetent, provincial, afraid of getting their hands dirty, and afraid of offending anyone.

Two words: Common Purpose.

A total joke force.

 

[hazel324]

I've followed the Websleuths forum closely on this case (amazing insights and hardworking from everyone this forum really is a great one I have enjoyed reading for over a year but I am nervous to post ) and and couldn't agree with you more . Just hope something breaks soon for this family my heart breaks for them ��

No need to be nervous Scottishem......this is probably the last place you oughta feel that way as it's purposefully 'gentle' with rules to curb, how shall I put it, over zealous debating!

Your thoughts and contributions are as worthy as anyone else's....remember that and please continue sharing :cheer:

I have a different reason for being short on posts....I resisted signing up here for years because I was already spending too much time looking into the Missing (mostly US cases) Then I spotted this UK search for Corrie (I am ex pat Brit) and I cracked and joined...I can get fully consumed by intrigue but am managing it well...f'now

 

[Tillymint]

I'm sorry but I completely disagree that our national police force is a joke. I have friends and relatives in the force who work extremely hard, often under very difficult circumstances with a lack of funding and support.

 

[hazel324]

Am just floating another possibility for what may have happened after last sighting of Corrie on CCTV. A horrid trend that has featured in the News down southern hemisphere has been the ‘king hit’ preferably called a Coward’s punch. For no rhyme or reason....just an idiot, usually tanked, knocking someone out with one hard punch, by surprise, to the head.

I raise this because of comments along the lines of..... “not likely to be a mugger” or “not connected to small fry drug dealing” in the location of bins. Fact is no motive can be dismissed as unlikely because with no clues just about anything could have happened to Corrie. If it’s not beyond the realms of possibility then IMO don’t rule it out.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I'm sorry but I completely disagree that our national police force is a joke. I have friends and relatives in the force who work extremely hard, often under very difficult circumstances with a lack of funding and support.

As I wrote earlier, Suffolk Constabulary is one of the smallest forces in England in terms of manpower. From what I've seen, they're just completely overwhelmed by the scale this enquiry has taken on. It'as also the case that they have much less experience of handling major investigations than the big urban forces. Had they been part of a larger, regional police body they could have drafted in extra bodies from Norfolk and Cambridgeshire for a while to carry out a search much more quickly, as well as having more experienced specialist teams. It seems to me a huge error of judgement that they appear to have asked for no help other than from the RAF who carried out some local searches.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Am just floating another possibility for what may have happened after last sighting of Corrie on CCTV. A horrid trend that has featured in the News down southern hemisphere has been the ‘king hit’ preferably called a Coward’s punch. For no rhyme or reason....just an idiot, usually tanked, knocking someone out with one hard punch, by surprise, to the head.

I raise this because of comments along the lines of..... “not likely to be a mugger” or “not connected to small fry drug dealing” in the location of bins. Fact is no motive can be dismissed as unlikely because with no clues just about anything could have happened to Corrie. If it’s not beyond the realms of possibility then IMO don’t rule it out.

Not impossible, certainly, but doesn't this also founder on the same problem as a straight forward mugging - no body. The drunken coward who punches someone in the back of the head is more likely to do a runner than hang around wondering how to get rid of the body, whether dead or merely unconscious. If anything happened by the bins there's only a couple of minutes before the CCTV camera swings back to cover that view.