UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #6

[JamesKing]

I thought the silver car was included in the 4 vehicles Tony mentions - is this not correct then? Is this clarified on the Find Corrie website?

Yeah. Just look on Tony's (altered) last update. It's all on there.

3 cars SB and a bin lorry... all (or ALL as Tony puts it) ID'd

And under another paragraph (sub para) "forget the Silver Car".
No idea why. So I'm not ! :thinking:

It moved off at around ???? and wasn't in the released CCTV footage, so had gone after 0325. Curious as they said they couldn't even make out what model it was ! (Hmmmm !)

 

[MidsummersDay]

I'm going offer up a thought...

Firstly, if you've arranged to meet someone for a pick up home, there has to be a certain relationship there. We're not necessarily talking sexual, just a plain and simple plutonic relationship. It could be a mate who's finished shift, an ex girlfriend, someone you'd not seen for awhile and bumped into that night. Regardless, they would more than likely have your best interests at heart given your state of inebriation. So this particular conveyance can be regarded as a safe transfer of passenger right up until drop off. That's where the potential for disaster for Corrie is. He's now on his own after reassuring the driver (male or female) that he can handle it from here....cheers easy.

Secondly, what's the chances of a dodgy taxi (unlicensed foreign driver) picking up fares in BSE and skipping under the police radar?
If the answer is anything between 'slim but possible', I'd suggest that this method has been used before by the lads. More than likely in a group rather than singularly for protection. If this is the case, I would propose that Corrie had that contact number in his phone already under 'dodgy taxi' (for example).
It only needs a 'questionable' driver from a 'questionable' country who still sympathises with the old ethos of abduction and it's a recipe waiting to be baked.

I'm not saying this has happened but either way, he left in a VEHICLE (not necessarily a car). These type of vehicle movements with passengers must be debated IMHO as much as the 'gay/hookup/walked/accident' theories.

 

[calo44]

One last thought - Corrie was at Flex, right? Look at their website, bottom of the main page - they have their own taxi service, Foxy Cars, that "run into the early hours of the morning."

http://www.ourburystedmunds.com/bid-member/156-flex-bar-lounge--club

 

[MidsummersDay]

If we go on the theory that it was a pre-arranged pickup, would it be safe to say that it was a taxi, a web hookup or a friend? Friend is prob ruled out as most of his buddies were out that night themselves and it sounds like he never did meet up with them. So - taxi? Or web hookup?

Earlier, we talked about Grindr and Tinder and how the info in those apps is impossible to trace without the phone itself. Would anyone know - if you logged into your account on these type of apps from a different device, does it show your history? Like, who you've talked to and maybe the message stream that went back and forth?

It sounds like it'd be a way to see if he did communicate through an app? It's only been said that he sent a photo to a "friend" at 3:08 - he could have sent the person the photo of he and Darroch so they'd recognize him when they pull up in the horseshoe area? (Like: Hey, can you send a recent photo so I really know it's you?)

Taxi seems like it'd be easy to trace (do you have uber and lyft there in the UK? - an app where anyone can use their own car as a taxi service thru the app). Could he have used something like that to get him back to base?

....and here's another thought. We're all stuck on the idea that his mates were out in BSE. What about his other mates who were out in Ipswich or BM or Mildenhall or...? I've known guys bundled into military trucks just for a laugh and unbeknown to the driver only to be noticed by Customs staff just before boarding a ferry. I've known mates who've been shrink wrapped to a pallet and under slung from helicopters and sent around the airfield for a laugh. These things happen. We ain't paintballing here.
Make no mistake, these boys work hard and play hard. I should know. They ain't your normal civvie on a night out who thinks dressing up as Woody from Toy Story is risky. Shout naked bar and they're onto it like a tramp on chips. Even i've fallen out of a tree after being asleep for an hour cos it was safer than a park bench. Big boys rules here I'm afraid.

The point I'm making is that perhaps loads of lads went out and not just three cars worth. Perhaps they intended to go to any of the surrounding destinations afterwards and meet up? If a mate is with the other gang in Mildenhall on the lash and you have a phone, I'd be bound to call or text him for a lift if I'd lost contact with the other lads in BSE.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Talking of flex did the police or anyone ask the bouncer why he tapped corrie on the shoulder and asked him to leave? How do we know this as only the bouncer and corrie would know this wouldn't they?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Sounds like u have lots of fun midsummer and sure this was the case and corrie needed to catch up on the fun that night but something wasn't right that evening...
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[MelmothTheLost]

Earlier, we talked about Grindr and Tinder and how the info in those apps is impossible to trace without the phone itself. Would anyone know - if you logged into your account on these type of apps from a different device, does it show your history? Like, who you've talked to and maybe the message stream that went back and forth?

No idea. To be quite honest, I'm well past my bonk-by date.

Taxi seems like it'd be easy to trace (do you have uber and lyft there in the UK? - an app where anyone can use their own car as a taxi service thru the app). Could he have used something like that to get him back to base?

We certainly have Uber, though I've never used it. Actually someone above mentioned completely fake taxis plying for trade. In some parts of the country I'd suggest that would probably mean illegal immigrants from Africa or the Middle East, but in East Anglia I think it more likely to be enterprising Poles or other East Europeans who work in agriculture during the day and maybe look to earn a few bob extra at night.

 

[Ruthbullock]

....and here's another thought. We're all stuck on the idea that his mates were out in BSE. What about his other mates who were out in Ipswich or BM or Mildenhall or...? I've known guys bundled into military trucks just for a laugh and unbeknown to the driver only to be noticed by Customs staff just before boarding a ferry. I've known mates who've been shrink wrapped to a pallet and under slung from helicopters and sent around the airfield for a laugh. These things happen. We ain't paintballing here.
Make no mistake, these boys work hard and play hard. I should know. They ain't your normal civvie on a night out who thinks dressing up as Woody from Toy Story is risky. Shout naked bar and they're onto it like a tramp on chips. Even i've fallen out of a tree after being asleep for an hour cos it was safer than a park bench. Big boys rules here I'm afraid.

The point I'm making is that perhaps loads of lads went out and not just three cars worth. Perhaps they intended to go to any of the surrounding destinations afterwards and meet up? If a mate is with the other gang in Mildenhall on the lash and you have a phone, I'd be bound to call or text him for a lift if I'd lost contact with the other lads in BSE.

Sounds familiar and pretty accurate as a description to me. And bizarrely I was just thinking maybe the waiting was to on the off chance catch up with people he knew were out. It reads to me they had shunned him quite a lot that night (probably not intentionally), maybe he was hoping to bump into them again. Phoning may look needy, but happening across people is a different matter. All the married quarters are within the final phone pings (but not so far that he wouldn't plan on walking to them, or phoning a friend to pick him up). 3.30 Maybe late in some eyes, but if there was a celebration going on, it would last until at least dawn!

 

[calo44]

....and here's another thought. We're all stuck on the idea that his mates were out in BSE. What about his other mates who were out in Ipswich or BM or Mildenhall or...? I've known guys bundled into military trucks just for a laugh and unbeknown to the driver only to be noticed by Customs staff just before boarding a ferry. I've known mates who've been shrink wrapped to a pallet and under slung from helicopters and sent around the airfield for a laugh. These things happen. We ain't paintballing here.
Make no mistake, these boys work hard and play hard. I should know. They ain't your normal civvie on a night out who thinks dressing up as Woody from Toy Story is risky. Shout naked bar and they're onto it like a tramp on chips. Even i've fallen out of a tree after being asleep for an hour cos it was safer than a park bench. Big boys rules here I'm afraid.

The point I'm making is that perhaps loads of lads went out and not just three cars worth. Perhaps they intended to go to any of the surrounding destinations afterwards and meet up? If a mate is with the other gang in Mildenhall on the lash and you have a phone, I'd be bound to call or text him for a lift if I'd lost contact with the other lads in BSE.

Lol, Midsummer, you are what we call in the states 'a big dog' - as in, "if you can't run with the big dogs, may as well stay on the porch" (that's a compliment, meaning you play hard).

You bring up an excellent point - maybe his friends were in another town, closing down the bars at 3:00 and told him they could pick him up on their way back to base, say, 3:30 in that horseshoe area?

 

[Ruthbullock]

No idea. To be quite honest, I'm well past my bonk-by date.



We certainly have Uber, though I've never used it. Actually someone above mentioned completely fake taxis plying for trade. In some parts of the country I'd suggest that would probably mean illegal immigrants from Africa or the Middle East, but in East Anglia I think it more likely to be enterprising Poles or other East Europeans who work in agriculture during the day and maybe look to earn a few bob extra at night.

We have uber, they are stickered up with the logos on the vehicle (would be obvious on cctv if it were uber), they are also registered- it's been all over the press here, but many live hours away and drive into busier areas of an evening.

 

[Lolabear]

....and here's another thought. We're all stuck on the idea that his mates were out in BSE. What about his other mates who were out in Ipswich or BM or Mildenhall or...? I've known guys bundled into military trucks just for a laugh and unbeknown to the driver only to be noticed by Customs staff just before boarding a ferry. I've known mates who've been shrink wrapped to a pallet and under slung from helicopters and sent around the airfield for a laugh. These things happen. We ain't paintballing here.
Make no mistake, these boys work hard and play hard. I should know. They ain't your normal civvie on a night out who thinks dressing up as Woody from Toy Story is risky. Shout naked bar and they're onto it like a tramp on chips. Even i've fallen out of a tree after being asleep for an hour cos it was safer than a park bench. Big boys rules here I'm afraid.

The point I'm making is that perhaps loads of lads went out and not just three cars worth. Perhaps they intended to go to any of the surrounding destinations afterwards and meet up? If a mate is with the other gang in Mildenhall on the lash and you have a phone, I'd be bound to call or text him for a lift if I'd lost contact with the other lads in BSE.

Were his mates out in bse at all??!! We've never heard anything from any of them as far as I'm aware..do we know for sure he was supposed to be out with them in the first place, they may of all tottled off somewhere else!

 

[Ruthbullock]

Were his mates out in bse at all??!! We've never heard anything from any of them as far as I'm aware..do we know for sure he was supposed to be out with them in the first place, they may of all tottled off somewhere else!

And would therefore make sense that they never did see him in Flex.

 

[calo44]

No idea. To be quite honest, I'm well past my bonk-by date.



We certainly have Uber, though I've never used it. Actually someone above mentioned completely fake taxis plying for trade. In some parts of the country I'd suggest that would probably mean illegal immigrants from Africa or the Middle East, but in East Anglia I think it more likely to be enterprising Poles or other East Europeans who work in agriculture during the day and maybe look to earn a few bob extra at night.

LOL - "bonk-by date" - hysterical, Melmoth!! I can't stop laughing...

 

[MelmothTheLost]

....and here's another thought. We're all stuck on the idea that his mates were out in BSE. What about his other mates who were out in Ipswich or BM or Mildenhall or...?

..... Cambridge. Surprisingly only a few miles further than Ipswich and far larger population of young people, pubs and clubs. That said, a taxi from BSE to Cambridge wouldn't be cheap, especially at that time of the morning.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Some really good points here. Is the 3.08 photo sent to a friend the last known contact? If so , who was that "friend"? Police and family must know.

 

[calo44]

Were his mates out in bse at all??!! We've never heard anything from any of them as far as I'm aware..do we know for sure he was supposed to be out with them in the first place, they may of all tottled off somewhere else!

Thats a great point! I've never heard where his friends ended up that night, actually. Goape, do you happen to know?

 

[calo44]

Some really good points here. Is the 3.08 photo sent to a friend the last known contact? If so , who was that "friend"? Police and family must know.

All I've ever read is just that he sent a photo to a "friend" from his phone, and later, that it was a photo of he and Darroch. I think this is on the findcorrie page but I'll go back and check

yes, it is - it says that he responded to a message from a friend at 3:08 and sent a photo over from his phone. http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/

 

[cotswoldemmie]

If we go on the theory that it was a pre-arranged pickup, would it be safe to say that it was a taxi, a web hookup or a friend? Friend is prob ruled out as most of his buddies were out that night themselves and it sounds like he never did meet up with them. So - taxi? Or web hookup?

Earlier, we talked about Grindr and Tinder and how the info in those apps is impossible to trace without the phone itself. Would anyone know - if you logged into your account on these type of apps from a different device, does it show your history? Like, who you've talked to and maybe the message stream that went back and forth?

It sounds like it'd be a way to see if he did communicate through an app? It's only been said that he sent a photo to a "friend" at 3:08 - he could have sent the person the photo of he and Darroch so they'd recognize him when they pull up in the horseshoe area? (Like: Hey, can you send a recent photo so I really know it's you?)

Taxi seems like it'd be easy to trace (do you have uber and lyft there in the UK? - an app where anyone can use their own car as a taxi service thru the app). Could he have used something like that to get him back to base?

I can't comment on Grindr but with both POF & Tinder, you can log on from a different phone or even a laptop and view all correspondence, history & new messages


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[bbyblueeyez]

i have spoken to a couple of door men friends there head door men and from my town they told me if they thought I had to much they wouldn't allow me in the club unless they were sorting a scuffle out and I slid past them. I no Bury is not my home town but they use the tap on the shoulder method when your being a bit rowdy and drawing attention of the negative way to yourself and others and tapped to leave or you have drank to much at the bar and causing a scene its usually the bar staff that refuse to serve you anymore alcohol .... Not that I'm saying Corrie was causing trouble I'm just saying what happens here could be different in Bury

 

[Lolabear]

i have spoken to a couple of door men friends there head door men and from my town they told me if they thought I had to much they wouldn't allow me in the club unless they were sorting a scuffle out and I slid past them. I no Bury is not my home town but they use the tap on the shoulder method when your being a bit rowdy and drawing attention of the negative way to yourself and others and tapped to leave or you have drank to much at the bar and causing a scene its usually the bar staff that refuse to serve you anymore alcohol .... Not that I'm saying Corrie was causing trouble I'm just saying what happens here could be different in Bury

I'm surprised nobody has come forward to say they saw Corrie that night in flex, if he was asked to leave he drew attention to the door staff so others must've seen it too. I really expected to have people comment on the fb page saying they saw him out and what mood he was in.