UK- Costessey, 4 People Found Dead In Home

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My thoughts are the parents split up and dad was struggling emotionally.

I keep thinking about the dad going missing in December. The neighbours make it sound like he was missing for one day and the police had drones out and lots of police there. For the police to react that quickly when an adult is reported missing, it could suggest that the person reporting was worried about the dad harming himself (like Nicola Bulley). By having the sister in law there to help with the kids authorities may have thought all bases are covered.

I just don't understand though, if the dad had wanted to harm himself in December, why not just harm himself this time but leave the kids and the woman alone.

That's why I cannot make my mind up what may have happened.

If he is the solo primary care for his kids and they were left alone then maybe it would trigger a high risk missing person investigation more quickly?

 

[Telltale]

Here's the most recent police update - don't think it's been linked here, yet. Nothing new, but it's always good to read direct from the source.

https://www.norfolk.police.uk/news/norfolk/news/news/2024/january/costessey-deaths---investigation-update/

Thing that strikes me is that they got a call from a MOP or neighbour at 7:00 and were forcing entry by 7:15.

That's quick. Police powers to force entry under S17 of PACE - (e)of saving life or limb or preventing serious damage to property.

They also have significantly tightened up the criteria for Welfare Checks. There has to be quite a concrete and immediate cause for concern before Police turn up now.

Norfolk Police in particular have a timescale
Meanwhile, Mr Davison outlined the timescale of the police adapting its new approach as follows:

January 2024: Police officers will stop responding to 'concerns for welfare' unless there is an immediate threat of harm
February 2024: Police to stop responding to patients who have left hospital or mental health facilities without discharge
April 2024: Police to stop transporting mental health patients
...

Makes me really wonder what was in that welfare call that made them hare round there and immediately boot the door it. Would be more than 'not seen the family in a few days.'

 

[iamshadow21]

Thing that strikes me is that they got a call from a MOP or neighbour at 7:00 and were forcing entry by 7:15.

That's quick. Police powers to force entry under S17 of PACE - (e)of saving life or limb or preventing serious damage to property.

They also have significantly tightened up the criteria for Welfare Checks. There has to be quite a concrete and immediate cause for concern before Police turn up now.

Norfolk Police in particular have a timescale
Meanwhile, Mr Davison outlined the timescale of the police adapting its new approach as follows:

January 2024: Police officers will stop responding to 'concerns for welfare' unless there is an immediate threat of harm
February 2024: Police to stop responding to patients who have left hospital or mental health facilities without discharge
April 2024: Police to stop transporting mental health patients
...

Makes me really wonder what was in that welfare call that made them hare round there and immediately boot the door it. Would be more than 'not seen the family in a few days.'

I suspect the neighbours heard or saw something really alarming. Something that couldn't be mistaken for something innocuous. They would have known there were children in the home; that probably made the callout qualify for extra urgency. Too late, alas.

MOO

 

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I suspect the neighbours heard or saw something really alarming. Something that couldn't be mistaken for something innocuous. They would have known there were children in the home; that probably made the callout qualify for extra urgency. Too late, alas.

MOO

They are saying it was a welfare call rather than a disturbance or potential domestic, so I would guess they saw something.

It was 7am on a Friday, maybe the kids had missed a day or two of school and someone knocked to check on them.

Considering the manner of death I could imagine someone peered through the window and seeing enough blood (or bodies) to prompt quick attendance and entrance from police.

IMO obviously

 

[Dotta]

Dbm

 

[Yellowbelly]

I wonder if this might turn out to have some relevance to what's happened here. NHS mental health provision in Norfolk and Suffolk seems totally dysfunctional.

Deaths unexplained, lives devastated: here’s another national tragedy hidden in plain sight | John Harris

Watching the Post Office victims are families who need answers from their mental health trust. Pity those battling bureaucracies, says Guardian columnist John Harris

www.theguardian.com

 

[Alyce]

The 36-year-old woman is believed to be the sister of his wife .

Everything we know so far about the Costessey deaths

Here is everything we know about the deaths of four people found at a home in Costessey, near Norwich.

www.edp24.co.uk

 

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DBM thought was a message apologies

 

[JennieM]

The 36-year-old woman is believed to be the sister of his wife .

Everything we know so far about the Costessey deaths

Here is everything we know about the deaths of four people found at a home in Costessey, near Norwich.

www.edp24.co.uk

So the mother is still alive. Where is she?

 

[Skigh]

Woman fatally stabbed in Norwich house is aunt of girls, 7 and 12, also killed

The police found the four bodies at a house in Costessey, near Norwich, Norfolk, on Friday (January 19), with a friend telling the Mirror there were 'no signs' prior to the deaths

www.mirror.co.uk

A woman who was found dead with stab wounds along with two children and a man was on a trip from Thailand to visit her sister's family, and there were "no warning signs" beforehand, a friend says.

Kanticha Noon, 36, had arrived in the UK on December 27 and was staying at the family home of her sibling, her two daughters - seven-year-old Downreuang and Jasmin, 12 - and her sibling's husband Bartlomiej Jakub Kuczynski, 46.


Kanticha's best friend Naty Wathanakul told the Mirror she was due to fly home some point next month. The girls' mum was at work as a caretaker when the deaths were discovered, she said.


Describing her friend, she said: "She was very nice and caring to all friends of her, a really big supportive person, she helped everyone. We have been shocked and depressed since we knew about her death.

"I wasn't expecting that my friend wouldn't be able to come back alive. She was just a petite woman, i cant believe this happened to her. It was too cruel to handle, I was crying."


Naty said Kanticha had previously visited the UK last June and had originally been hesitant about coming over this month for "no reason". She said: "She didn't want to go to the UK this time for no reason because she went there once or twice a year normally."

 

[Sarahlou]

So the mum was at work? The poor woman. What a complete horror.

 

[Alyce]

The police commissioner for Norfolk has said he will be holding the chief constable "robustly" to account over the deaths of four people in Costessey.

Police chief to be held 'to account' over Costessey deaths

The police commissioner for Norfolk has said he will be holding the chief constable to account over the deaths of four people in Costessey near…

www.edp24.co.uk

 

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The police commissioner for Norfolk has said he will be holding the chief constable "robustly" to account over the deaths of four people in Costessey.

Police chief to be held 'to account' over Costessey deaths

The police commissioner for Norfolk has said he will be holding the chief constable to account over the deaths of four people in Costessey near…

www.edp24.co.uk

That to me sounds like there was enough in that first call that it just have been prioritised there and then

 

[Amonet]

That to me sounds like there was enough in that first call that it just have been prioritised there and then

It does. But, isn't commissioner a political position? So he could just be covering his own political back and putting it onto the police, cos it sounds more like a statement intended for the public than of any major use. But we'll wait for more details.

 

[Skigh]

It does. But, isn't commissioner a political position? So he could just be covering his own political back and putting it onto the police, cos it sounds more like a statement intended for the public than of any major use. But we'll wait for more details.

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Alyce]

It does. But, isn't commissioner a political position? So he could just be covering his own political back and putting it onto the police, cos it sounds more like a statement intended for the public than of any major use. But we'll wait for more details.

Absolutely this

 

[TMorgan68]

BBC now reporting (same as original link) that the children lived there with the man and the woman was visiting.

Okay it says the woman was a visitor, yet the neighbor says the mother of the girls lived there, apparently she was not just a visitor , neighbor stating they would speak when they were outside and states as if on more than one occasion. So was the deceased woman a visitor and not the girls mother?!

 

[Alyce]

Okay it says the woman was a visitor, yet the neighbor says the mother of the girls lived there, apparently she was not just a visitor , neighbor stating they would speak when they were outside and states as if on more than one occasion. So was the deceased woman a visitor and not the girls mother?!

SKigh's post - #130 - has all the updated info - the woman killed was visiting, she was the sister of BKs wife.

 

[JennieM]

Woman, 36, who was found dead with stab wounds next to body of a father and his two daughters, 7 and 12, is the children's aunt who was visiting from Thailand to stay with her sister's family

Woman found dead in a house in Norfolk is an aunt from Thailand

Kanticha Noon, 36, had arrived in the UK on December 27 and was staying at the family home in Norfolk.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Sarahlou]

Okay it says the woman was a visitor, yet the neighbor says the mother of the girls lived there, apparently she was not just a visitor , neighbor stating they would speak when they were outside and states as if on more than one occasion. So was the deceased woman a visitor and not the girls mother?!

The deceased woman was the visitor. She's the mother's sister.