GUILTY UK - Det. Leanne McKie, 39, found dead in Cheshire lake, 28 Sept 2017

  • #121
13:01
Family's financial situation was 'very considerably worse' after her death

Mr Burke said the mortgage would have continued because her death was ‘neither here nor there’ as far as that loan was concerned.

The debt Leanne McKie had accrued on her M&S credit card wasn’t significant either as it was ‘supplementary’ to her husband’s M&S card, he said.

He said the truth was ‘quite the reverse’ as the death deprived the household of her £16,000 salary.

The family’s financial situation was ‘very considerably worse’ after her death, Mr Burke tells the jurors.

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  • #122
The QC says: “His motive, if there was one, could not and could never have been ‘if I kill here I’m debt free’ because he wasn’t.”

He points out to the jurors that neither the defendant nor his wife had life assurance policies.

“Ultimately, her untimely death did not extinguish a single penny of debt,” says the QC.

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This is supposed to be his defence for murder ? (Sorry to interrupt).
 
  • #123
This is supposed to be his defence for murder ? (Sorry to interrupt).

It's hard to know how it's being perceived in court, but I think the defence is struggling here.
 
  • #124
13:27
'Where on earth do you think she thought the money was coming from?'

Mr Burke continues: “As a result of the analysis here it’s definitely not the case that this defendant led some secret life, gambling, drugs, drink or a mistress that drain the family’s finances.”

The sale of their home at The Circuit had cleared the family’s debt but they went into the red again by spending on items like £5,500 on new windows for the subsequent home at Burford Close as well as nearly £4,000 on granite worktops for the kitchen.

Mr Burke elaborated: “A week in Portugal. £6,000 ,all on the credit card of course. They could not afford it. Small wonder the family found themselves in such significant debt so quickly.”

He pointed out that Leanne McKie was an intelligent person with a career and added: “Bear in mind while she spent all this where on earth do you think she thought the money was coming from? They are not rich people. She knows her own income.

“She knows the income of a police inspector as she was a member of the police force herself. It was all beyond their means and in my respectful submission she must have known so.”

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  • #125
13:42
'It seems crystal clear that Mr McKie did not discuss money with her'

Mr Burke says: “Based on their 13 years of marriage together, it seems crystal clear that Mr McKie did not discuss money with her, or at least in the way he should have.

“If ever there was a family that needed to sit down in quiet calm in the kitchen and say ‘we simply cannot live like this. We cannot afford the granite worktops. We cannot afford that holiday to Portugal. And the windows, do you know what? They will just have to wait because I just cannot afford £8,000 or whatever it was’.

“And ‘Leanne you will have to go and work full time because two days a week isn’t enough. Even an extra thousand pounds a week in the family coffers will make all the difference to us’.”

Mr Burke added: “It does not appear that desperately required conversation about money took place.”


13:44
'That's been their life. He's always done it successfully'

Mr Burke suggests that after 13 years of marriage the jury may conclude that his client had decided it was ‘pointless’ to raise their money problems with his wife as, perhaps, he anticipated ‘an unreasonable reaction’ from her.

“It gets him nowhere, creates tension and leads to arguments and resentments,” said Mr Burke.

He said the ‘routine seems to have been established’ that he ‘doesn’t bother her as maybe she can’t handle that responsibility’.

“But we know he can and does and has to do what is required to meet some pressing, urgent bill,” said the QC.

“That’s been their life. He’s always done it. He’s always done it successfully,” he said.


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  • #126
13:56
'True tragedy' is that loan would have transformed their fortunes

The family had cleared their debt in 2016 thanks in part to the financial support of ‘loving parents on both sides’, said Mr Burke.

But then they splashed out on ‘extravagance after extravagance’ and were plunged straight back into a debt crisis, according to the QC.

His client was reduced to searching the internet while at work looking for ‘some roguish loan company’ willing to lend him a couple of thousand pounds.

The ‘true tragedy’ was that the loan from Fluent Finance would have ‘completely transformed’ their fortunes, said the QC.

“He would have bought sufficient time to resolve the immediate crisis and meant he’s able to assure all the debts were paid,” he said.


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  • #127
14:00
Death 'was as tragic as it was unexpected'

Leanne McKie’s death ‘was as tragic as it was unexpected’, said Mr Burke.

The barrister reminds the jurors of the ‘dramatic’ moment when the prosecutor in his closing speech the day before had timed one minute to illustrate the minimum period of time the pathologist had said it would have taken for Leanne McKie to be strangled.

The QC said the jurors could draw on their life experience to understand that one minute ‘is not that long’.


14:07
'Ridiculous' to suggest she might destroy her husband's career

The jurors are told that, during the prosecutor’s speech on Monday, that they were reminded that the defendant had declined to answer questions, among them concerning the suggestion his wife may have threatened to report her husband to the authorities during their row at Burford Close after she had discovered he had used ‘fraud and forgery’ to make the Fluent Finance application in their joint names.

Mr Burke described the notion that Leanne McKie would ‘destroy’ her husband’s career as ‘preposterous and ridiculous’.”

The idea that she would somehow expose him to the authorities on realising he had made a joint application to remortgage and destroy him in the process I would suggest is fanciful,” he said.


14:20
'She’s angry with him. He wasn’t angry with her. He was going home to apologise'

​Mr Burke said: “Darren McKie had been married to her for 13 years. She had borne him three beautiful children. He had worked his entire married life successfully, with promotion upon promotion, to secure for her the comfort she had grown used to.”

Referring to the angry text he received from his wife, the QC said the jury could forgive him for saying: “Do you know what? I have had enough of this. Sell the house. Keep the kids. I can’t live in this house anymore.”

“Remember, as he drove home she’s angry with him. He wasn’t angry with her. He was going home to apologise, explain, to justify what he did,” said Mr Burke.

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  • #128
14:38
Defence - Darren may have told Leanne: "I didn’t burden you with it because I know it makes you upset”

The QC said that ‘no doubt there would have been reassuring words’ from his client when he arrived home, explaining that the surveyor was expected in half-an-hour and with the promise that their financial troubles would be solved by the following week.

Characterising what his client may have said in the exchange, Mr Burke said: “Don’t worry. It’s all under control. I didn’t burden you with it because I know it makes you upset.”

The QC added: “That would have been more likely than not how Darren would have approached it.”


14:39
“One can only imagine the horror he must have felt when he realised she was dead.”

But Mr Burke suggested Leanne McKie ‘confronted’ her husband when he returned home ‘and these tragic events unfold’.

He said:

“One can only imagine the horror he must have felt when he realised she was dead.”

He had killed his wife and done a ‘terrible thing and his immediate reaction was to panic’, said the QC.

As the surveyor was coming Darren McKie ‘undoubtedly’ hid the body in the back of the car.

The QC argued a ‘truly selfish man’ would have acted differently at that point, pointing out his client turned his attention to looking after his children when they finished school.

Again characterising what his client may have thought, he said: “I’m alone. I’m all they have now. They have to be fed. He has to read them a story and put them to bed.”

It was ‘only then’ after his children were asleep he ‘turned his attention to the pressing problem of Leanne’ and how to dispose of her body, said Mr Burke, adding that ‘nobody can under-estimate the horror’ of what had happened.


14:42
Defence: Was it "deliberate, calculated, cold murder or a terrible, terrible accident"?

Mr Burke said:

“For the following six months he kept the darkest, darkest secret, telling his parents and children he was not responsible for their death of their mother.”

It was only two weeks into the trial his client admitted ‘what must have been painfully obvious to all of you’, the QC tells the jurors.

Concluding his speech, Mr Burke said:

“The simple question you now have to resolve is whether this was deliberate, calculated, cold murder or a terrible, terrible accident.”


14:42
Judge begins summing up the case

The closing speeches have finished and now the judge is summing up the case for the jury.

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  • #129
Wow- look up "Victim-blaming" in the dictionary and you will find the picture of the defense attorney methinks.

despicable
 
  • #130
  • #131
JUDGE'S SUMMING UP
Judge resumes summing up case

The judge, Mr Justice Spencer, has resumed summing up the case here at Chester Crown Court.

He is reviewing the evidence about the family’s financial situation.


10:55
Judge reminds jury of family's debts

​The judge tells the jurors:

“The overall position on August 31 was, you may think, pretty serious.”

The total the family owed then was £45,781, the jurors are reminded. The family owed £17,000 to the builder, £6,000 to a joiner, more than £2,000 to an electrician, £690 to a plumber, £3,200 to a plasterer/renderer, and £4,835 to a second plumber, the jurors are told.

The court hears they owed more than £40,000 on loans applied for from February of last year.

A financial analyst who examined the finances had found that the family owed a total of £103,000​, the judge reminds the jurors.


10:59
Judge reminds jury that analyst agreed there was no financial benefit from Leanne's death

​By September 28, the day Leanne McKie died, the total sum owed had risen to £115,200 excluding the mortgage, Mr Justice Spencer tells the jury.

However, he reminds the jury that during cross-examination the financial analyst had agreed that up until the death the McKies had never defaulted on a single payment when it was due.

The witness also agreed there was no evidence that Darren McKie had spent money on ‘drinking, gambling, women or drugs’ in the eight years of financial records that were examined.

He also agreed the couple did not have life assurance policies and nor a mortgage protection policy.

Mr Justice Spencer tells the jurors:

“He agreed that through her death there was a loss of her salary and no benefit at all from her untimely death.”


11:01
Judge on McKies' homes

The jurors are reminded that when the family moved into the family home on Burford Close in September last year they were £1,500 a month better off because they were no longer paying ‘for a second household’.

The family had been rented a property nearby while building and renovation work continued at their home on Burford Close.


11:08
Darren McKie's two failed loan applications

The judge reminds the jury about a £10,000 loan from AA Loans the defendant had applied for on August 31 without his wife’s knowledge.

The defendant had applied using his personal mobile number and a Yahoo email address ‘which of course Leanne knew nothing about’, said Mr Justice Spencer.

The first application was declined and so was a second which was made five minutes later, the court hears.

When the defendant made the second application, the only difference was one digit on the landline he had entered, the jurors are told.

The judge says Darren McKie may have ‘made a mistake’ during his first application.


11:17
Leanne confronted Darren over loan applications

The judge says that Leanne McKie must have opened the letters declining those loan applications when they arrived at the home on September 5, prompting her to phone AA loans to find out what was going on.

“She had just found these two letters addressed to her husband about loan applications she knew nothing about,” Mr Justice Spencer tells the jurors.

Leanne McKie texted her husband but he denied making the applications, the court is told.

“I’m worried someone has my details,” Darren McKie texted to his wife, the jurors are reminded.

AA Loans then promised to start an investigation as it appeared Darren McKie had been a ‘victim of impersonation’, the court is told.


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  • #132
12:21
Jurors reminded of surveyor's visit to McKie home

The jurors are reminded of the evidence of a surveyor who visited the family home after Insp McKie is said to have killed his wife.

The surveyor examined all the rooms in the house and even stuck his head up to the attic during his survey, the court is told.

The judge reminds the jurors that the surveyor had valued the house at £505,000 or £460,000 in the event of a forced sale.

Darren McKie seems to have been on the internet during the visit of the surveyor which took place between 1.12pm and 1.45pm, the jurors are told.

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  • #134
12:26
Judge - Darren 'had an hour to take some further action to dispose of the body'

After the surveyor had left the house at 1.45pm, the defendant had some time before he had to pick up the children shortly after 3pm, the court is told. Mr Mr Justice Spencer said:

“The defendant had to pick up the children shortly after 3pm so he had an hour to take some further action to dispose of the body.”


12:30
Judge - Prosecution says CCTV infers defendant 'was looking for a suitable site to dispose of the body'

The jurors are reminded of the times when Mrs McKie’s Mini Countryman was spotted on CCTV.

The judge said:

“The prosecution say there is a strong inference that the defendant was looking for a suitable site to dispose of the body.”

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  • #135
12:58
Judge: Texts were sent by Darren to Leanne - prosecution says she was already dead by then

The jurors are reminded of five text messages the defendant sent to his wife even though by then the prosecution say he had already killed his wife.

At 4.21pm, the defendant sent a message to his parents saying he would be working at the forthcoming weekend on the Tory party conference so they would have to visit their new home the weekend after.

By 7.01pm, the builder owed £17,000 sent the defendant a text and Darren McKie replied with an apology, blaming the failure to pay on the deposit for the home they had been renting not yet being returned, the court is told.

At 8pm the defendant’s mother sent him a text saying how nice it was to hear from him and how much they were looking forward to seeing their new home the weekend after next, the court is told.

Darren McKie is said to have sent his wife a message at 8.18pm, asking ‘how’s it going?’.

By 8.43pm the defendant, the court hears, received a text from his father-in-law saying his wife had tried to call Leanne twice and they were checking if she was fine.

Darren McKie is said to have replied: “Had some texts from her this morning and she’s fine. Text her since she went to work but not had a reply. Assuming she’s busy.”

The court is told he sent his final message to his wife was at 9.20pm when he wrote: “Hi hun. Your dad text me. They have not heard from you. You OK?. Bit worried now. xx”

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  • #136
Funny I'm following another case where the husband shot his wife before disposing of her body, going to work and leaving 5 answerphone messages for her throughout the day.

Look how similar these husbands behave -

Michael Blagg left five voicemails that day.

“Good morning gorgeous, I’m just calling to see how you and Abby are doing,” was how the first began.

Another began with “Hello my beautiful bride … I hope you’re out and about doing all kinds of cool and nifty things.”

In the final voicemail, Blagg says “Hello sweetie, it’s me. Starting to get a little bit worried about you. I’ll try to call you on your cellphone.”
Darren McKie:
"Hi hun. Your dad text me. They have not heard from you. You OK?. Bit worried now. xx”

They may as well put stickers on their foreheads saying "I did it, it's me!" His earlier message to her was "I'm coming home" and she says "I'm scared now". How in the world is that fine?
 
  • #137
14:41
Judge reminds jury of pathologist's 'plainly crucial' evidence about Leanne's body

The judge is reminding the jurors about the evidence of the pathologist who examined Leanne McKie’s body.

This evidence was ‘plainly crucial’, Mr Justice Spencer told the jurors.

Tiny haemorrhages​ found on the whites of the eye were typical of cases of asphyxia while subtle bruising was also found on the inner aspect of the lips, the pathologist had said.

The pathologist had found no damage to Leanne McKie’s fingernails and no abrasions to her neck which were typical of someone trying to prize away a ligature, the court heard.​

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  • #139
What does everyone here think?

Murder? Guilty or not?

I think he hadn't pre planned the killing, I think he'd just lost it.

Some years ago, my then husband & Father of my daughters was cheating on me for the umpteenth time.
I found out and he tried to lie his way out of it again but knew his number was up and when I calmly began putting his stuff in a suitcase, he lost it and proceeded to beat the crap out of me! I managed to grab the phone and dial 999 but he ripped it from the wall, luckily, they came anyway ... he had been 'mildly' aggressive to me previously, always after he'd been drinking but this time, the worst time, he'd been sober. My beating was the result of his self hatred and weeks of egg shells waiting for the **** to hit the fan ... not excusing him, or Darren but, I can see Leannes death being a similar thing except down to lies over loans and not other women.
 
  • #140
What does everyone here think?

Murder? Guilty or not?

I think he hadn't pre planned the killing, I think he'd just lost it.

Some years ago, my then husband & Father of my daughters was cheating on me for the umpteenth time.
I found out and he tried to lie his way out of it again but knew his number was up and when I calmly began putting his stuff in a suitcase, he lost it and proceeded to beat the crap out of me! I managed to grab the phone and dial 999 but he ripped it from the wall, luckily, they came anyway ... he had been 'mildly' aggressive to me previously, always after he'd been drinking but this time, the worst time, he'd been sober. My beating was the result of his self hatred and weeks of egg shells waiting for the **** to hit the fan ... not excusing him, or Darren but, I can see Leannes death being a similar thing except down to lies over loans and not other women.
I think murder but not pre-planned. I think he lost it when he realised that Leanne challenged him about the fraudulent loan applications. He seems to me like a man who is accustomed to getting away with lies and deceit. To minimise the issues around the high debt and say that Leanne frets about little things is disgusting. It seems that he deliberately kept secrets about the family finances secret. Not because of Leanne's so called over reaction, but in my opinion because he is a man who does not like to be held responsible for decisions he has chosen to make without consulting her.

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