GUILTY Uk - Emile Cilliers Accused Of Tampering W/ Wife's Parachute, Wiltshire, 5 April 2015

[Moll]

I remember her even saying last time that she may have used the pliers herself on the gas pipe then denying it again when Bowes re-questioned her.

Yes, so she did. It's hard work for him all right but we have no idea how it all sounds in court and we don't know this time what has gone before...

Last time I was in no doubt at all that the jury would see past all this to the facts established, and how wrong I was.

 

[Tortoise]

I don't know which part to quote so I'll leave you to read it all

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...der-sabotaging-parachute-member-sex-club.html

 

[Alyce]

From Tortoise link above

what a total charmer !

Mrs Cilliers added he had also used her credit card without her permission, while she lay seriously injured in hospital after the fall.

 

[Tortoise]

Was that the coffee machine he bought himself and then claimed was a gift? :facepalm:

 

[Moll]

The coffee machine is probably the least awful of his misdemeanours.

 

[Moll]

[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Continuing with Victoria Cillier's evidence at Winchester Crown Court today.

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Details:

Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:00 Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 17 Continues - 10:09

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Courtserve still lists this case as under the same restriction as before, so who knows what to make of that now.[/FONT]

 

[Tortoise]

Is it to do with the press not identifying the children who were subject of the endangerment charge?

 

[Tortoise]

But I would still not see why it has to be renewed daily. Except I suppose to inform new reporters.

 

[Moll]

If it actually applies to parts of the evidence all the way through, is it possible it applied last time round but wasn't noticed? It's Courtserve that shows it, not the legal pages you get if you Google a Crown Court.

I didn't get really interested till late-ish first time round so I don't think I checked the listings myself, but looking back now there were days in the early part of the case then when people wondered what had happened to it.

This all suggests you're right, Tortoise.

 

[Moll]

Parachute trial: Wife 'planning to leave' husband after baby born


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-43989167

 

[Legally Bland]

Parachute trial: Wife 'planning to leave' husband after baby born


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-43989167

So this time the prosection is highlighting the inconsistencies between VC's police interviews and her evidence in court. Well, certainly more than I remember from the 1st trial. (From Moll's link.)
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Mrs Cilliers told the court that her husband's behaviour had led her to believe the marriage was over, that he had "used her" and she "planned to use him".

"I couldn't look after the baby and [their other child] on my own," she said.

"If he hadn't shaped up significantly by our wedding anniversary in September, I would have been out."

But in a police interview in May of that year, Mrs Cilliers said she "loved the guy", thought he had become more supportive and was afraid of him leaving her.

"I felt like I was sitting on a time bomb, just waiting for him to turn around and say it was all over," she said.

On Thursday, prosecution barrister Michael Bowes QC questioned Mrs Cilliers about an incident in which she challenged her husband over his smoking in her car.

In a video-recorded interview played to the court, she told officers Mr Cilliers "was livid, his face went sort of blank. I've never seen that look on anyone's face before. I backed down and ended up apologising as usual".

But when Mr Bowes suggested she always capitulated when her husband "pushed back", she insisted she "was a strong person" who did not give in.

Mr Bowes detailed a number of instances in which she had backed down after confronting Mr Cilliers about both his fidelity and financial matters.

"I was learning to live with it," Mrs Cilliers replied.

 

[Tortoise]

makes me want to ullhair:

 

[Moll]

Yes, I think so LB - the prosecutor is now making more of a point of VC's tendency to blame herself and let him get away with murder - almost.

PS 'his fidelity'?!

 

[Alyce]

Wonder if Mr Prosecutor has any hair left or is it all pulled out now

Just read back through this thread to remind myself and it seems that EC was the only defence witness in the first trial. Allowing the same this time round we should be into closing speeches next week then.

 

[Alyce]

Looks like early start today with VC still giving evidence

Winchester 2

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emile stolz cilliers


Details: Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 17 Continues - 09:34


http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Winchester-Crown-Court.php

 

[Moll]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-44005935

The wife of an Army sergeant accused of tampering with his wife's parachute said she had "had enough of life" in the months before a near-fatal jump.

Victoria Cilliers, 41, survived despite a 4,000ft (1,220m) fall when both her main and reserve parachutes failed during a jump in Wiltshire in 2015.
Emile Cilliers, 38, of the Royal Army Physical Training Corps in Aldershot, is on trial at Winchester Crown Court.
He denies two charges of attempted murder.
Mrs Cilliers told Winchester Crown Court she struggled as Mr Cilliers was abroad and she was left to care for their toddler while being heavily pregnant.
She sent her husband a text message saying she "could not stop crying" and had "had enough of life".
When asked by the defence barrister Elizabeth Marsh QC whether she meant it, Mrs Cilliers said: "At that moment in time I did, yes".
Mrs Cilliers said she had been using sleeping tablets and diazepam.
She agreed with Ms Marsh when the QC suggested she had on one occasion "over-indulged in those medications" resulting in a hospital stay, but when asked if the incident "could be described as 'taking an overdose'", Mrs Cilliers said: "It wasn't enough to make a long-term difference".

'Wanted a reaction'

She told the jury she had sent the message to Mr Cilliers because she "wanted a reaction" and was suspicious he was having an affair.
Ms Marsh told the court about Mr Cilliers' financial affairs.
He had sent a message to his wife saying: "I think you'd be better off without me financially. I'm in a bad place at the moment."
She replied: "I married you for better for worse, richer or poorer. Let me in and we can work things out together."
Mrs Cilliers later transferred £5,500 to Mr Cilliers' bank account so he could repay a loan.
She agreed she had chosen to "bail him out".
The trial continues.

 

[Moll]

I was just looking back to the first trial. In that it was stated by the prosecution that even the defence didn't allege that VC had done the sabotaging herself to commit suicide. It was accepted by all that the parachutes had been sabotaged, that VC hadn't done it, so the defence had to suggest some other person must have done it.Yet there seems to be an attempt to sow doubt in the jury's minds through this evidence.

 

[Alyce]

Early finish today at 2pm and looks as though VC still has more evidence to give on Monday.

 

[Moll]

Tuesday?

 

[Alyce]

Tuesday?

Ahh...of course - not like me to forget a holiday ! Tuesday it is