GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #4

[hunkerdown]

Huh? Socks?

Apparently they had to take their shoes off...


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[pinklilies]

Missed you here today Lily! You sure have a lot to catch up on - I'll be the same after my enchanting lunch date tomorrow. Unless I escape to the loo partway through whilst the menfolk are comparing notes and arm wrestling (mental kind only) with my iPad:crying:

Awe thanks Icemaiden [emoji4] I hate to miss any of it [emoji31] I saw earlier poor Duchy couldn't keep her eyes open any longer either [emoji42]
I'll be dipping in and out tomorrow though [emoji106]
Enjoy your lunch date [emoji4]

 

[Lit Up]

Thank you Lit Up for all your news from attending court daily with all of the journeys and set-backs you have endured .. and kept on giving. I wonder about the demeanour of IS today?

I was only there for the first three witnesses today. I did not notice any discernable difference in IS demeanor. As I've said previously he is a lot less fat now especially in the face than he was in the photos. Bizarrely he also looks less grey-haired although I'm not sure why that was. He was clean shaven today. He was eagerly looking over to the public gallery at both of his sons who were in attendance (thus far I've only seen Jamie the younger attend, and even then only on two days). Most of the time IS just stays quiet in the dock. He makes notes, cautiously smiles when the opportunity presents itself (usually incidentally during the breaks, when talking to either the prison guard or his counsel). When I mentioned to one of Helen's family that I couldn't believe IS was putting them through a trial, the family member said that they just didn't think that IS had the same empathy as normal people; and probably also thought that he might get away with it.

I'll be going again tomorrow and I hope that we finally get to hear IS account for himself, rather than a string of nurses talking about "how they found IS" and what his demeanour was like etc.

 

[cottonweaver]

Apparently they had to take their shoes off...


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ah yes remember now, was too busy updating to think about it - he's clever isn't he.
Trying to disarm and bring people down a peg or two, but yes wouldn't have asked that of the police.

 

[cottonweaver]

I was only there for the first three witnesses. I did not notice any discernable difference in IS demeanor. As I've said previously he is a lot less fat now especially in the face than he was in the photos. Bizarrely he also looks less grey-haired although I'm not sure why that was. He was clean shaven today. He was eagerly looking over to the public gallery at both of his sons who were in attendance (thus far I've only seen Jamie the younger attend, and even then only on two days). Most of the time IS just stays quiet in the dock. He makes notes, cautiously smiles when the opportunity presents itself (usually incidentally during the breaks, when talking to either the prison guard or his counsel). When I mentioned to one of Helen's family that I couldn't believe IS was putting them through a trial, the family member said that they just didn't think that IS had the same empathy as normal people; and probably also thought that he might get away with it.

I'll be going again tomorrow and I hope that we finally get to hear IS account for himself, rather than a string of nurses talking about "how they found IS" and what his demeanour was like etc.

is that a typo Lit-up? Do you mean the youngest Oliver? Or eldest Jamie?
No empathy - part of psychopathy. I'm sure that u'standing he has some named PDisorder helps them, even only slightly, to get their head around the incomprehensible horror.

 

[Lit Up]

is that a typo Lit-up? Do you mean the youngest Oliver? Or eldest Jamie?

It was the younger one who I've seen more of than the older one. Maybe I got the names mixed up.

 

[cottonweaver]

It was the younger one who I've seen more of than the older one. Maybe I got the names mixed up.

Cheers Lit-up and for all your feedback again today incl the bit about Curry having to do a new statement as there was too much speculation in the previous one.

PS. Wouldn't want to be in their shoes tomorrow.

 

[Tortoise]

I think they need to clarify the bank transactions, unless it's just that we're not getting the full story in the reporting.

Today they mentioned a Barclays transaction that had been wiped, but they found the corresponding transaction in Barclays' records. They didn't tell us anything else, like which account, how much and what date. Unless it doesn't relate to the charges, maybe it was to do with his own banking, and this evidence was purely to show he did use the computer during the period it shows no activity, so he can't say the gap is because he never did anything on the laptop that week.

I think he's been charged with fraud or theft, so it's not very clear yet, to me. In fact IIRC, I don't think we have a clear record of exactly what he has been charged with, apart from the murder and cover up charges.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Dolly, here's your material for part 5

- Why say to tony. Is she with u?
- Why 2 trips to tip?

Laughter is a great de-stresser , so I think you can work some magic on those.

I bow to your superior wit Cottonweaver but I do wonder if implicating Boris in some way could be part of his defence? As in:

"Boris had developed a terrible online bingo habit, I worship that dog so I deleted the browsing history to protect him. He'd started slipping out to a seedy casino after hours, he got there on a minature scooter, disguised in a tiny burka. He developed a taste for jagerbombs and ended up owing gambling debts to a couple of gangsters called Nick and Joe. The little fella begged me not to tell anyone and I agreed (cos I loved him so much), on condition he get help - I researched gamblers anonymous online and obviously I had to delete that to respect his confidentiality... One night Nick and Joe followed him home from the casino, the ****s burst in and threatened me and Helen (after I'd told them to remove their shoes).

I know it sounds like a shaggy dog story Your Honour but I swear every word is true" (gets out concealed Jif lemon again and double squirts eyes).

 

[Tortoise]

It was the younger one who I've seen more of than the older one. Maybe I got the names mixed up.

But it's the older one who's been in court, so I've heard.

 

[cottonweaver]

But it's the older one who's been in court, so I've heard.

think Lit-up has been more often though.

 

[Tortoise]

think Lit-up has been more often though.

Ah ok, yes I was thinking of what Michelle has said.

 

[cottonweaver]

I bow to your superior wit Cottonweaver but I do wonder if implicating Boris in some way could be part of his defence? As in:

"Boris had developed a terrible online bingo habit, I worship that dog so I deleted the browsing history to protect him. He'd started slipping out to a seedy casino after hours, he got there on a minature scooter, disguised in a tiny burka. He developed a taste for jagerbombs and ended up owing gambling debts to a couple of gangsters called Nick and Joe. The little fella begged me not to tell anyone and I agreed (cos I loved him so much), on condition he get help - I researched gamblers anonymous online and obviously I had to delete that to respect his confidentiality... One night Nick and Joe followed him home from the casino, the ****s burst in and threatened me and Helen (after I'd told them to remove their shoes).

I know it sounds like a shaggy dog story Your Honour but I swear every word is true" (gets out concealed Jif lemon again and double squirts eyes).

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I think I was constrained by trying to match some evidential points, but that was ^ real LOL material. I can see the little fella in his mini burqha!

 

[cottonweaver]

Ah ok, yes I was thinking of what Michelle has said.

Me too.
Unless one's present every day, it's hard to say, by week 5.

 

[Tortoise]

Ah you two are wasted in here. Thanks for the laughs cotton and dolly.

 

[cottonweaver]

Ah you two are wasted in here. Thanks for the laughs cotton and dolly.

Hmm - watch him go pull a sickie! Then the joke would be on me.

However , after Lit-up's comments on an occasionally smiling, eager glances to gallery etc, maybe he really is up for his turn tomorrow.
If you don't find ways to defuse it, there's enough anger about this case, in that courtroom to blow the roof off St Albans No. 1 court.

 

[ConcernedCitizen17]

A minor point of interest: on Twitter, Helen had followed a couple of wedding planning accounts, a cake-maker's account, Brocket Hall (the most recent follow) and Brocket Hall's restaurant. This doesn't tell us a huge amount, of course, but I thought it interesting enough to mention in relation to speculation about what kind of wedding she may have wanted. As far as I know it's not possible to find out on which dates she followed these accounts, but they are among her newest 20 or so follows (she followed 265 accounts in total).

Sorry if this has already been mentioned and I missed it.

 

[Zab]

But the jury aren't meant to read news reports for this reason. They're meant to judge the testimony in court on its own.

I know that;-) just thought interesting that the BBC chose her testimony as most relevant over any others today?

 

[MillyM]

Ooops. good point. I only posted El Jose, does he count?

Signor Jose could turn out to be the defence team's main weapon!

 

[Matthewitt]

Hello everyone. Does the trial continue tommrow? Id like to head down if so. I checked on courtserve and it says:

The Crown Court
at St Albans
Daily List for Tuesday 7 February 2017 at BRICKET ROAD ST ALBANS
Court 1 - sitting at 10:00 AM
HIS HONOUR JUDGE BRIGHT QC
For Mention
U20170046 PRODUCTION ORDER (DM)
Link to Hatfield Police Station
Trial (Part Heard)
T20167121 STEWART Ian
41E12190616
PAPER FILE


What does link to Hatfield mean? A video link?