GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #7

[DollyDiamond]

Yes Florrie, that was a very interesting case. I have read everything I could get my hands on about Jeremy Bamber. He was definitely an inadequate and entitled narcissist. Full of seething resentment.

He still has a * lot * of followers and supporters including many women who write and visit him and profess to "love" him.

O/T Funnily enough I was just reading about an actress (small bit!) who visits and plans to marry Charles Manson! I mean...what a catch!

I'm the opposite, I've been turned down by men on Death Row! ("It's not you Dolly, it's me", Lol!)

 

[michelle230]

Not sure there will be quite the same enthusiasm for a fat Bee Gee...


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Lol Hunkerdown - I`m sure there will be some deluded person out there who thinks she can "save" him! Some people just love a challenge :sick:

 

[neteditor]

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[michelle230]

I'm the opposite, I've been turned down by men on Death Row! ("It's not you Dolly, it's me", Lol!)

Ha Ha! DollyD. Take it as a compliment!

 

[Legally Bland]

A little like Jeremy Bamber who still manages to share the most sickening "my dear old Mum and Dad" stuff from prison while continuing to try and blame his sister.


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I can't understand how people still believe him either. Before I found websleuths I read bits on a whole forum dedicated to JB's innocence. It was horrible, I never joined or posted.

One of the theories being discussed was that Sheila's schizophrenia had caused her to mistake the silencer for a tampon to explain her blood being found on it.

They were being serious!

It was so long ago I read with an open mind, but it just reinforced his guilt in my mind.

 

[faybradshaw]

That`s a good question Fayb.

No,no and (definitely) no to IS supporters! Crudely speaking I think that the * other * IS have more support than this one does.
Diane`s family - I couldn`t say. But (and my opinion only), I wouldn`t be at all surprised if some members of the family popped by here and there. I would be more surprised if they hadn`t. After all, they have a vested interest and unanswered questions themselves.

Definitely a vested interest, I agree!

 

[Moll]

I'm the opposite, I've been turned down by men on Death Row! ("It's not you Dolly, it's me", Lol!)

That is a brilliant line, Dolly.Tempting to ask you to expand but too OT I fear...

 

[DollyDiamond]

I can't understand how people still believe him either. Before I found websleuths I read bits on a whole forum dedicated to JB's innocence. It was horrible, I never joined or posted.

One of the theories being discussed was that Sheila's schizophrenia had caused her to mistake the silencer for a tampon to explain her blood being found on it.

They were being serious!

It was so long ago I read with an open mind, but it just reinforced his guilt in my mind.

I don't want to wander OT here but that campaign to free Jeremy Bamber, orchestrated by him from behind bars, has always infuriated me. A journalist called Bob Wiffinden made a name for himself by jumping on the bandwagon and blaming Sheila and her mental illness. He got a lot of positive publicity for JB (most of it in the Daily Mail), before finally switching sides and saying he now believed he was rightly convicted! Much was made of the fact Bamber passed a lie detector test back in 2007 - which only tells me a lie detector is no match for a psychopath!

Incidentally, Bamber strikes me as a very different kind of sociopath to IS. Had Helen been killed by Bamber, I feel her love and trust in him would be easier to understand. Bamber is good looking, intelligent, confident and suave and his narcissism shines out of every photo. Compare that with the photos we have seen of IS - hunched and round shouldered, with a reluctant smile and body language that screams inadequacy. To me, IS looks hugely uncomfortable in his own skin.

 

[Duchy]

Just seen that Tara Cox, has added a couple of sentences to her live feed today , may as well paste it up

as per UL below

Witness had not seen Helen wearing that type of clothing before
Mrs John said Helen was wearing a stone or beige pair of trousers and a shirt of the same colour when she saw the author on April 11. Trimmer: “You’d never seen Helen on a similar occasion wearing clothes like that?”
Mrs John: “No. When I saw Helen on April 11 I thought I hadn’t seen Helen for a long time, I’d only ever seen her in a blue and white striped top.”
Trimmer: “This person didn’t look like classic Helen Bailey, did she?
Mrs John: “No”

(didn't feed any other news sources which added anything to the reporting today. )

Oh yes, she was wearing a striped top when she was found in the cesspit.

 

[michelle230]

One of IS's many re-writes/cheat sheets stuffed in his mattress at HMP X

mr flow chart

I just had to go back and find this post by Cottonweaver.

CW - I cannot tell you how much this made me laugh! Hilarious!

I think you should patent this and make available to all potential suspects in remand and awaiting trial. You would become a millionaire overnight!

Love it :clap:

 

[Interested Bystander]

I would say yes. With MG it is important to avoid stress if at all possible to avoid worsening the disease. He seems he has, from what Michelle 230 has said, totally shut down his emotions (assuming he ever had any).

 

[Duchy]

You're right Moll, Malcolm Webster is an obvious comparison. He though, IIRC, was labelled a sociopath. Not that it matters really, they overlap so much.

I think most of us have known people with APD, even if we aren't aware of it. There are so many here on WS who realise someone the know exhibits the signs of APD when they understand the nuances of the disorder. I'm just glad you escaped intact! x

At first I read that as there are so many people with APD on WS!

 

[Tortoise]

That`s a good question Fayb.

No,no and (definitely) no to IS supporters! Crudely speaking I think that the * other * IS have more support than this one does.
Diane`s family - I couldn`t say. But (and my opinion only), I wouldn`t be at all surprised if some members of the family popped by here and there. I would be more surprised if they hadn`t. After all, they have a vested interest and unanswered questions themselves.

I'm feeling thick today. What is the * other * IS?

Sorry if it's obvious and just me.

 

[Tortoise]

Oh yes, she was wearing a striped top when she was found in the cesspit.

They've never mentioned what trousers she was wearing. I wonder if that means they had rotted away completely?

 

[DollyDiamond]

That is a brilliant line, Dolly.Tempting to ask you to expand but too OT I fear...

It was a joke by the way, lest anyone think I'm one of those strange ladies who writes love letters to Lifers!

 

[Moll]

I'm feeling thick today. What is the * other * IS?

Sorry if it's obvious and just me.

Islamic State, I surmise.

 

[neteditor]

They've never mentioned what trousers she was wearing. I wonder if that means they had rotted away completely?

She seemed to wear jeans a lot.

 

[Moll]

It was a joke by the way, lest anyone think I'm one of those strange ladies who writes love letters to Lifers!

Glad you said that, Dolly. I do tend to take people literally and after your Zopiclone experiment I wouldn't put much past you!

 

[Tortoise]

Islamic State, I surmise.

:doh:

I was thinking it meant his other personality

 

[michelle230]

I would say yes. With MG it is important to avoid stress if at all possible to avoid worsening the disease. He seems he has, from what Michelle 230 has said, totally shut down his emotions (assuming he ever had any)

I`ve been thinking about IS attraction wise and now the subject of Jeremy Bamber has been brought up. JB was, as has been said, good looking, charismatic, charming, from a moneyed family etc etc
However IS (bear in mind different age group/audience etc) obviously had his own appeal. If we look at what we know - no-one had anything bad to say about him (look at the reaction from members - was in Facebook - when some insightful people dared to r
aise his name when Helen went missing), affable, friendly (albeit he doesn`t seem to have loyal, long term friends), apparently helpful towards women in distress (rushed to help Helen with..was it boiler problems), seemingly shared emotions with others bereaved especially bereaved women - a very potent attraction...and a very quick way to make a powerful bond (emotional bonding over shared trauma). Add to that other aspects such as the actually beautiful (had it been genuine) wording of the appeal note he wrote to the "missing" Helen. And other feigned attributes he was able to act out. Clever manipulators, including con men/people with PDs are extremely good at perceiving what goes for normal behaviour and mirroring it.
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