GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #4

[neteditor]

I only gave it a quick scan but means tested usually means they look at your finances.... I'm zonked with the cold but it would be lovely if IS had to pay all his costs himself. Especially since he's definitely not short of cash! So his defence will tell us next week anyway..... lol


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I am not sure if his £2k per month income is something he would still be receiving while on remand? If so, then yes his means test would bring him to a level where he'd have to be contributing something anyway. I couldn't see from that if his assets would be assessed too. He'd surely be liable for costs in that case?

 

[DollyDiamond]

What's the bet it was a haribo ring and he ate it?


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OMG, HILARIOUS! And the bean line - you guys are cooking with gas today!

 

[Alyce]

Nothing new in the postponement announcement here, other than this line


The court was due to hear from the prosecution's final witness, but this will now be rearranged, potentially for next Monday (February 6).


so only one more witness - sounds like it would have been a short day today. Which means they might get this witness finished on Monday AM with IS still being able to give evidence in the afternoon.


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-delayed-12550767

 

[cottonweaver]

Sooty and Sweep made me laugh, as have Ant and Dec, Morecambe and Wise, Burke and Hare and the Chuckle Brothers. And all of them more credible than Nick & Joe!

Interesting post. Yes, he'll be laying it on thick about his perilously poor health, being unable to work for years etc and making out he and Helen were madly in love and he was desperately excited about their forthcoming wedding. Which makes it all the more odd he had never told his sons they were even engaged! Oh and he hadn't bought her an engagement ring either. A friend of Helen's said he had bought her a ring but it wasn't an engagement ring. He received nearly £2k a month and had a six figure sum in the bank - why hadn't he bought her a ring?!

It is interesting that she says he has given her a "token" ring, considering he asked her to marry him so long before. ( He said around first anniversary of JS's death.)

 

[icemaiden65]

Nothing new in the postponement announcement here, other than this line


The court was due to hear from the prosecution's final witness, but this will now be rearranged, potentially for next Monday (February 6).


so only one more witness - sounds like it would have been a short day today. Which means they might get this witness finished on Monday AM with IS still being able to give evidence in the afternoon.


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-delayed-12550767

In the absence of anything much going on in court, anyone care to place bets on who the final prosecution witness might be? Here's my guess (aka huge hope!) - a computer forensics expert who managed to retrieve the browsing history from the laptops etc. What a corker THAT would be!

 

[ColourPurple]

I must have missed that bit about the phone

Stewart mentioned missing items

Dc Lockwood said on April 23, Stewart sent him a text saying ‘any news?’

“There was conversation about an image of someone at Morrisons - he was adamant he had been shown an image of a woman at Morrisons but I didn’t know anything about it.

“As far as I was concerned, there was no image.

“Stewart wanted to see a CCTV image he had seen previously, but we weren’t prepared to email that to him.

“On April 23, Stewart said he had found an iPhone belonging to Helen, a white iPhone 5.

“Stewart also said that a cream of Helen’s was missing from her bedside, she didn’t take medication other than vitamins, and none appeared to be missing.

“He also said a yellow collar of Helen’s dog, Boris, could not be found.”

Ooh look there's mention of whether she took the herbal/vitamins with her.

But is he say that generally she didn't take any medication other than vitamins and that none of the vitamins appeared to be missing (which be weird that she'd leave them behind if she was alive)

Or is he saying she didnt take any medication with her, except for vitamins and that no medication appeared to be missing?

 

[ColourPurple]

A little off topic but I had a laparoscopy like IS yesterday. No way could I lift anything today as everything is sore. How long after his surgery was it that Helen "went missing"?

 

[ColourPurple]

In the absence of anything much going on in court, anyone care to place bets on who the final prosecution witness might be? Here's my guess (aka huge hope!) - a computer forensics expert who managed to retrieve the browsing history from the laptops etc. What a corker THAT would be!

I'd love to be that but reckon it's probably more likely to be a mobile expert. And even if he denies the Tesco man was him if that Tesco man's phone then goes to Cambridge and Broadstairs it's just going to show him up as the liar he is.

 

[Alyce]

A little off topic but I had a laparoscopy like IS yesterday. No way could I lift anything today as everything is sore. How long after his surgery was it that Helen "went missing"?

Just over 3 weeks... His Op was on March 19

 

[ColourPurple]

Just over 3 weeks... His Op was on March 19

Oh wow, I'm expecting to be back at work by then so I can't see it being a problem 3 weeks down the line.

 

[Cherwell]

In the absence of anything much going on in court, anyone care to place bets on who the final prosecution witness might be? Here's my guess (aka huge hope!) - a computer forensics expert who managed to retrieve the browsing history from the laptops etc. What a corker THAT would be!

Wouldn't it! They did retrieve something, as this reference from the prosecution's opening speech shows:

“A standing order from Bailey to Stewart was modified that same afternoon, and changed to the defendant’s advantage - a standing order from £600 to £4000 - to transfer from Helen’s account to Stewart’s. Although an attempt has been made to clear computer history at the house, this small fragment of information was found.”

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/live-day-one-murder-trial-12427078

Does "an attempt to clear history" sound like it wasn't completely successful?

 

[Alyce]

Ooh look there's mention of whether she took the herbal/vitamins with her.

But is he say that generally she didn't take any medication other than vitamins and that none of the vitamins appeared to be missing (which be weird that she'd leave them behind if she was alive)

Or is he saying she didnt take any medication with her, except for vitamins and that no medication appeared to be missing?

It's not very clear is it. I originally read it as your point one

which begs the question, how did he know how many stores of vitamin tablets she had ? Unless she only ever had - say - 2 bottles of vitamins and there were 2 bottles in the cupboard. Otherwise, it seems strange, to me, that he would know exactly what stocks she had.

 

[icemaiden65]

Ooh look there's mention of whether she took the herbal/vitamins with her.

But is he say that generally she didn't take any medication other than vitamins and that none of the vitamins appeared to be missing (which be weird that she'd leave them behind if she was alive)

Or is he saying she didnt take any medication with her, except for vitamins and that no medication appeared to be missing?

I took it to mean she only used to take vitamins (on a regular basis, notwithstanding the occasional Paracetamol of course) and that she hadn't taken those with her when she left. Hmmmm.

 

[Alyce]

In the absence of anything much going on in court, anyone care to place bets on who the final prosecution witness might be? Here's my guess (aka huge hope!) - a computer forensics expert who managed to retrieve the browsing history from the laptops etc. What a corker THAT would be!

That would be brilliant !

I really dont know. They seem to have covered everything. The only thing that is not clear ( to us ) is the bit about Tescos, but it is so far back in evidence, I would have expected that to have been clarified already, even if not reported.

Something connected to Broadstairs ?
Someone he met on his June holiday and talked with ?

 

[neteditor]

A little off topic but I had a laparoscopy like IS yesterday. No way could I lift anything today as everything is sore. How long after his surgery was it that Helen "went missing"?

IS had a bowel resection, which is way more major than a laparoscopy.

[FONT=&quot]“I initially saw Stewart after he was referred from his practitioner. He was found to have some abnormalities in his bowel. We were concerned this may represent a cancer, we decided the only way further forward was to remove this section of bowel.” ([/FONT]http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-royston-12491486)

I wish you well and a speedy recovery.

 

[icemaiden65]

Wouldn't it! They did retrieve something, as this reference from the prosecution's opening speech shows:

“A standing order from Bailey to Stewart was modified that same afternoon, and changed to the defendant’s advantage - a standing order from £600 to £4000 - to transfer from Helen’s account to Stewart’s. Although an attempt has been made to clear computer history at the house, this small fragment of information was found.”

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/live-day-one-murder-trial-12427078

Does "an attempt to clear history" sound like it wasn't completely successful?

Hopefully it means that he made an attempt but wasn't savvy enough to do a really deep clean (seven overwrites of the actual data sectors using special software is considered the norm). Information is more often than not still lurking even when folk think they've cleverly cleared it out.

 

[ColourPurple]

IS had a bowel resection, which is way more major than a laparoscopy.

[FONT=&amp]“I initially saw Stewart after he was referred from his practitioner. He was found to have some abnormalities in his bowel. We were concerned this may represent a cancer, we decided the only way further forward was to remove this section of bowel.” ([/FONT]http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-royston-12491486)

I wish you well and a speedy recovery.

Thanks

Mine was to remove my gallbladder but laparoscopy is just the method they use ,ie going in via the bellybutton so that they don;t have to make any major incisions, which I believe is how they performed IS's op too. The wound round the belly button is more painful than where my gallbladder was lol

 

[neteditor]

Wouldn't it! They did retrieve something, as this reference from the prosecution's opening speech shows:

“A standing order from Bailey to Stewart was modified that same afternoon, and changed to the defendant’s advantage - a standing order from £600 to £4000 - to transfer from Helen’s account to Stewart’s. Although an attempt has been made to clear computer history at the house, this small fragment of information was found.”

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/live-day-one-murder-trial-12427078

Does "an attempt to clear history" sound like it wasn't completely successful?

My reading of this is that he deleted the browser history and a forensic IT examiner was able to retrieve enough data from the hard drive.

For interest:

https://www.bullguard.com/blog/2014/08/5-ways-to-recover-deleted-internet-history-data-easily.html

 

[snoopydog]

IS had a bowel resection, which is way more major than a laparoscopy.

[FONT=&quot]“I initially saw Stewart after he was referred from his practitioner. He was found to have some abnormalities in his bowel. We were concerned this may represent a cancer, we decided the only way further forward was to remove this section of bowel.” ([/FONT]http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-royston-12491486)

I wish you well and a speedy recovery.

Yeah but it was done by keyhole surgery. See https://www.sages.org/publications/...or-laparoscopic-colon-resection-from-sages/3/


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[neteditor]

Mine was to remove my gallbladder but laparoscopy is just the method they use ,ie going in via the bellybutton so that they don;t have to make any major incisions, which I believe is how they performed IS's op too. The wound round the belly button is more painful than where my gallbladder was lol

I'm so sorry I assumed it was just a look about with a little camera. I'm an idiot :blushing: