GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #7

[Tortoise]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12595743

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[h=3]'Joe and Nick' wanted £500,000 compensation[/h]T: At some point in this tale Joe and Nick told you they wanted compensation.
S: Yes. I asked what they meant by compensation, Nick said half a million pounds.
T: On the things you might want to remember in your defence case statement is the fact they asked for half a million. But you didn’t, did you? Isn’t that a headline? ‘They asked me for half a million?’
S: The fact that Helen was dead was the headline in my mind
T: You understood that writing a defence case statement was to gather a summary of the major parts of the defence
S: Yes



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[snoopydog]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12595743

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Caller was an 'old friend of John Sinfield' Stewart tells court[/h]T: As clearly as you can, tell us what he said to you?
S: He said is that Stewart? I said yes. I can’t remember what he said next….
T: Because you’re making this up. This would be the clearest thing in your mind if it was anything like the truth.
S: He said he was an old friend of John Sinfield’s. He said ‘make it quick, I don’t want you caught with a phone’. He then said ‘I want to give you my condolences for Helen, she should never have been involved in this in any way’. He said ‘I always had what Joe wanted’
T: Then what else?
S: I asked him again who he was, he said he couldn’t tell me. He said Joe has been taken care of.
T: This is all fantasy Mr Stewart
S: I wish it was, in many ways
T: You finished this phone call with him understanding what?
S: That I could speak to police, speak to my legal team I’m not sure I’m doing the right thing even now. I’m still concerned for Jamie and Oliver.
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HAHAHAHAHAAH he's sudddenly realised he should be concerned for his sons in this fable. He wasn't concerned about them months ago before joe was sorted out. He's such an idiot IN SO MANY WAYS


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[neteditor]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12595743

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[FONT=&amp]Caller was an 'old friend of John Sinfield' Stewart tells court

T: As clearly as you can, tell us what he said to you?
S: He said is that Stewart? I said yes. I can’t remember what he said next….
T: Because you’re making this up. This would be the clearest thing in your mind if it was anything like the truth.
S: He said he was an old friend of John Sinfield’s. He said ‘make it quick, I don’t want you caught with a phone’. He then said ‘I want to give you my condolences for Helen, she should never have been involved in this in any way’. He said ‘I always had what Joe wanted’
T: Then what else?
S: I asked him again who he was, he said he couldn’t tell me. He said Joe has been taken care of.
T: This is all fantasy Mr Stewart
S: I wish it was, in many ways
T: You finished this phone call with him understanding what?
S: That I could speak to police, speak to my legal team I’m not sure I’m doing the right thing even now. I’m still concerned for Jamie and Oliver.
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He can't remember, then he suddenly can!
And of course he wouldn care about IS getting into trouble in prison lmao
"IN ANY WAY" - an IS phrase and IS alone.

:doh:

 

[neteditor]

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[Tortoise]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12595743

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Stewart may have thanked mystery caller[/h]T: That Helen had taken Zopiclone was a major part of your defence
S: No
T: What you didn’t say, was that Helen must have changed the standing order because no one else had the opportunity to do it.
S: Defence case statements are meant to be brief and to the point
T: Bedford prison must be full of gangsters that you knew. When this phone call had finished, did you try to find out how this person knew you?
S: Everyone knew you
T: Did you try and find out who was responsible for all this
S: No, you don’t ask those kinds of questions in prison
T: Did you thank the man on the phone
S: No, actually I might have done.
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[cheeseman]

 

[Tortoise]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12595743

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Prosecution told by Stewart that he wanted killers caught[/h]T: We don’t know anything about the man on the phone?
S: No
T: We don’t know about the man who gave you the phone?
S: I can’t tell you his name, I don’t know it
T: Finally you tell the prosecuting authorities what has actually happened, and now you want the police to catch these people?
S: If they can, obviously. That would be...yes. I assumed police would want to come and ask me about this but they never have.
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[Tortoise]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12595743

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Court takes a break[/h]There will now be a short break until 3.15pm.
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[neteditor]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12595743

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[FONT=&amp]Stewart may have thanked mystery caller

T: That Helen had taken Zopiclone was a major part of your defence
S: No
T: What you didn’t say, was that Helen must have changed the standing order because no one else had the opportunity to do it.
S: Defence case statements are meant to be brief and to the point
T: Bedford prison must be full of gangsters that you knew. When this phone call had finished, did you try to find out how this person knew you?
S: Everyone knew you
T: Did you try and find out who was responsible for all this
S: No, you don’t ask those kinds of questions in prison
T: Did you thank the man on the phone
S: No, actually I might have done.
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Hahaha he's actually telling a Queen's Counsel what the law looks like.

 

[TheRisenBishop]

Risen Bishop

Is this some kind of ( subconscious ) narcissistic injury?

IS had previously mentioned a neighbour who he'd had a row with and maybe Joe is some poor guy he lost a bowls match to?

CW, you could well be on to something although I don't think he's a narcissist. Any slight would incense the pathological disdain and hatred that comes with having an APD. TBH, I suspect that he has nothing but self-loathing for himself and all his braggadocio BS is born out of that rather than a NPD. I do wonder whether his mother's mental health issues have caused his own personality dysfunctions that we are now witness to.

Of course, it's not unknown for people with borderline personality disorders to act as he has and to murder with premeditation. Without observing him in person, and not having any forensic psych evaluations to go off, it's difficult to say with any degree of accuracy but I do favour psychopathy. He's not prone to the explosive rage of a sociopath; he's much more dangerous a non-cognitively challenged, cold-blooded, covert killer who planned, carried out and enjoyed what he did.

As I've said before a lot of the traits of sociopathy and psychopathy overlap and both types share many similar characteristics. However, as far as the APD spectrum goes, in terms of danger to the public, IS is right there at the top of the tree.

He needs to go away for a very long time or as long as the law of the day allows. I'm sure that the Judge will address this in his sentencing too as it's clear as day he will kill without compunction if suits his purposes.

Not because he doesn't feel like a normal person feels but because he is consumed with a contempt and cynicism we could never understand. The sort of contempt that allows you to intern a woman who gave you everything into a pit of feculent waste that she, in common with most people, had a phobia of along with the dog she loved so dearly.

Even now, his contempt for Helen's family and friends and society in general fuels his seemingly deluded fantastic denials. Believe me, this monster knows exactly what he's doing and who to. He's reveling in it!

I hope Helen's family realizes this as they watch the farce play out and their blood boils with incredulity and burns with a righteous vengeance and don't allow this man to manipulate them for a single second longer. Not allowing this evil to overwhelm us or define us is what truly makes us human and separates us from animals such as him.

I wish he was a narcissist but alas he isn't. At least narcissist's, for all the chaos they cause, have the capacity to love, albeit themselves. Stewart, has no such capacity to love. What drives him is a desire to wreak destruction and rip apart the edifices of everything weak people perceive as beautiful. He is evil personified and I mean that from both a theological and ponerological standpoint.

 

[ColourPurple]

Well IS is certainly the gift that keeps on giving isn't he

 

[cheeseman]

I'm a bit confused - what's this about a defence statement needing to be in by October to the court, and yet he didn't mention anything about Nick, Joe (or Chaz and Dave) before December.
Was IS supposed to disclose everything to the court by October but he's decided to add something extra later and the court has allowed him, or am I misunderstanding things? Couldn't the court have just told him to sit down once he started blathering about things that weren't disclosed in October?

 

[cottonweaver]

[video=twitter;831155704580997120]https://twitter.com/itvanglia/status/831155704580997120[/video]

from your link

Mr Trimmer asked: "The people called Nick and Joe are modelled on people you know, aren't they? You know people called Nick and Joe from your time at Bassingbourn. Do you know someone called Joe Cippullo?"<

"Yes, he's a bowler," Stewart replied.

"And Nick Cook?" asked Mr Trimmer.

"Yes, he's my next-door neighbour," Stewart replied.

His trial had previously heard that Joe was a smartly dressed, grey-haired man with olive skin and a foreign accent.

Then, Mr Trimmer said: "They are both here so you can have a plain look at them."

A small, smartly dressed Italian man with short hair was brought into the courtroom, joined by a taller, greying man in a suit.

"You recognise them, do you, Mr Stewart?" he was asked.

"Yes, it's Nick and Joe," he replied.

The pair were then escorted out of the room, with Stewart adding: "Those two who walked in don't know each other at all, they are in totally different circles."

:jawdrop:

 

[Alyce]

The pair were then escorted out of the room, with Stewart adding: "Those two who walked in don't know each other at all, they are in totally different circles."




ha ha....well they do now, I bet they'll dine out for quite some time on the back of this

 

[pinklilies]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12595743

[FONT=&quot]15:04[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][h=3]Prosecution told by Stewart that he wanted killers caught[/h]T: We don’t know anything about the man on the phone?
S: No
T: We don’t know about the man who gave you the phone?
S: I can’t tell you his name, I don’t know it
T: Finally you tell the prosecuting authorities what has actually happened, and now you want the police to catch these people?
S: If they can, obviously. That would be...yes. I assumed police would want to come and ask me about this but they never have.
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S: I assumed police would want to come and ask me about this but they never have.'

I wonder why [emoji3]


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[Joely 123]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12595743

[FONT=&amp]15:04[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Prosecution told by Stewart that he wanted killers caught

T: We don’t know anything about the man on the phone?
S: No
T: We don’t know about the man who gave you the phone?
S: I can’t tell you his name, I don’t know it
T: Finally you tell the prosecuting authorities what has actually happened, and now you want the police to catch these people?
S: If they can, obviously. That would be...yes. I assumed police would want to come and ask me about this but they never have.
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IS was expecting the Police to waste more time and financial resources on his lies in perverting the course of Justice.

 

[Alyce]

S: I assumed police would want to come and ask me about this but they never have.'

I wonder why [emoji3]


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Police's fault yet again - could have had NiJo behind bars long before now

 

[Alyce]

I was well known in prison.

He just can't help himself can he?

He'll be even better known after today - for all the wrong reasons

 

[neteditor]

Doesn't he realise the police are absolute experts in filtering out bullcarp. They hear it all the time!

 

[ColourPurple]

The pair were then escorted out of the room, with Stewart adding: "Those two who walked in don't know each other at all, they are in totally different circles."




ha ha....well they do now, I bet they'll dine out for quite some time on the back of this

All he's done there is explain that he deliberately picked two people from two different circles, making it less likely for anybody to work out that they were descriptions of real people... and still got caught .

Also it definitely sounds like somebody else who also knew both circles of friends came forward with this info, rather than each of them separately coming forward.