GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #7

[JudgeJudi]

Expert in Stewart's auto-immune condition gives evidence

Dr Pinto said he has expertise in Myasthenia gravis, the illness of the defendant. He said that Myasthenia gravis, an auto-immune disease, deteriorates with exercise. He tells jurors: “Myasthenia gravis causes droopiness of eyelids and double vision. “It can cause significant weakness of the muscles that control facial expression, muscles that control speech and swallowing, and also affects neck, shoulder and arm muscles in particular. “Myasthenia gravis also affects the diaphragm, which controls breathing, so patients can get difficulty with breathing and increasing breathlessness.”

 

[JudgeJudi]

Stewart first admitted to hospital with condition in 2006

“It’s worth saying that the particular type of Myasthenia gravis in this case (Ian Stewart’s case) is known never really to go away, very rarely goes into natural remission and typical remains active in a patient’s lifetime. “We prescribe medication to dampen down the active immune system and drugs to suppress the immune system. “The records revealed that Stewart had first been admitted to hospital for treatment with Myasthenia gravis in 2006.”

 

[Alyce]

Helen Bailey murder trial resumes with new witness

The case has been called back on, jurors are coming into the court room. The next witness is Dr Ashwin Pinto, a consultant neurologist.

Expert in Stewart's auto-immune condition gives evidence

Dr Pinto said he has expertise in Myasthenia gravis, the illness of the defendant. He said that Myasthenia gravis, an auto-immune disease, deteriorates with exercise. He tells jurors: “Myasthenia gravis causes droopiness of eyelids and double vision. “It can cause significant weakness of the muscles that control facial expression, muscles that control speech and swallowing, and also affects neck, shoulder and arm muscles in particular. “Myasthenia gravis also affects the diaphragm, which controls breathing, so patients can get difficulty with breathing and increasing breathlessness.”

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12600802

 

[Alyce]

Stewart first admitted to hospital with condition in 2006

“It’s worth saying that the particular type of Myasthenia gravis in this case (Ian Stewart’s case) is known never really to go away, very rarely goes into natural remission and typical remains active in a patient’s lifetime. “We prescribe medication to dampen down the active immune system and drugs to suppress the immune system. “The records revealed that Stewart had first been admitted to hospital for treatment with Myasthenia gravis in 2006.”


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12600802

 

[pinklilies]

BIB
Not important, but what an odd thing to say. As if only a teenager would be drawn to a small dog! Her daughter can only be 20 now as it was less than a year ago.

Yes, this made me think I must be a bit childish as I'm always pointing out cute dogs [emoji5] to whoever I'm with [emoji3]


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[cottonweaver]

So Pinto has never assessed IS?

 

[ColourPurple]

The trouble with his MG diagnosis is that it seems to be something that coud have flare ups so yes there may have been times when he was really ill, and a neurologist could confirm that was possible but that doesnt mean that he was that ill on April 11th.

 

[Interested Bystander]

Both statement's from the mother and daughter contradict each other. Either the daughter was at college on the 11th or she wasn't. She said she was mother said she wasn't. How hard can it be to verify? This is sloppy obfuscation from the defence!

Surely the Prosecution would have checked college term times.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Stewart had severe case

It’s a popular misconception including amongst doctors. Removal of a thymoma will almost never lead to spontaneous improvement in Myasthenia gravis. “From the records I was able to read, this was severe Myasthenia gravis requiring hospital admissions. “Between 2000 and 2005 the records showed that Stewart bas being seen regularly by doctors and the team at Addenbrooke’s Hospital in Cambridge with continued treatment to suppress his immune system. “Records indicate that his symptoms included facial weakness and that continued to be troublesome despite the medication provided.”

 

[TheRisenBishop]

If anyone has ever known a compulsive liar they'll know that some people will refuse to believe that they could have lied to the extent they did and will think that their story is so long and detailed and far fetched that they couldn't possibly have made all of it up. I'm really hoping there isn't any body like that on the jury..

The other concern is that there are fellow psychopaths/sociopaths on the jury that will "empathise" and admire Stewart's magnum opus and get a twisted thrill out of finding him innocent. There

is approximately, 1% psychopaths,1%​

sociopaths

and 1% antisocials in society so it wouldn't take a huge statistical variation. Add in a deluded empath and he could strike lucky. Evidentially, he is toast but this is my only worry.​

 

[ColourPurple]

Surely the Prosecution would have checked college term times.

We could do with them pointing out that according to records the college was closed for training day on April 11th

 

[neteditor]

The trouble with his MG diagnosis is that it seems to be something that coud have flare ups so yes there may have been times when he was really ill, and a neurologist could confirm that was possible but that doesnt mean that he was that ill on April 11th.

And obviously wasn't given all the rushing about he did that day (even if you discount lifting or dragging a body).

 

[Alyce]

Stewart had severe case

It’s a popular misconception including amongst doctors. Removal of a thymoma will almost never lead to spontaneous improvement in Myasthenia gravis. “From the records I was able to read, this was severe Myasthenia gravis requiring hospital admissions. “Between 2000 and 2005 the records showed that Stewart bas being seen regularly by doctors and the team at Addenbrooke’s Hospital in Cambridge with continued treatment to suppress his immune system. “Records indicate that his symptoms included facial weakness and that continued to be troublesome despite the medication provided.”


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12600802

 

[cottonweaver]

The trouble with his MG diagnosis is that it seems to be something that coud have flare ups so yes there may have been times when he was really ill, and a neurologist could confirm that was possible but that doesnt mean that he was that ill on April 11th.

and none of the medical personnel who have testified for Pros have mentioned that he was suffering from a current flare-up from his pre-existing condition. ( GP, consultant who discharged, all the nurses and the psych staff - probably 10 in total?)

 

[ColourPurple]

The other concern is that there are fellow psychopaths/sociopaths on the jury that will "empathise" and admire Stewart's magnum opus and get a twisted thrill out of finding him innocent. There

is approximately, 1% psychopaths,1%​

sociopaths

and 1% antisocials in society so it wouldn't take a huge statistical variation. Add in a deluded empath and he could strike lucky. Evidentially, he is toast but this is my only worry.​

So if we get a sociopath and a couple of gullible buggers on the jury he could walk. Scary thought.

 

[Alyce]

So this witness - Pinto, I love it ! - is just giving evidence based on reading a file - has never met, or treated IS personally ?


sorry just catching up - I see Cotton Weaver beat me to it

 

[Cherwell]

“Records indicate that his symptoms included facial weakness and that continued to be troublesome despite the medication provided.”

He didn't need to use his face for the murder though.

 

[Squamous]

BIB
Not important, but what an odd thing to say. As if only a teenager would be drawn to a small dog! Her daughter can only be 20 now as it was less than a year ago.

I thought this was weird too! She made it sound like a three year old pointing out a digger!

 

[cottonweaver]

facial weakness

March 25 consultant who discharged from hospital - surgeon Dr Simon Buczacki, who treated Ian Stewart.

He said that Stewart’s underlying health condition could cause a change to facial expressions, such as smiling - although he said he was in no way an expert on the condition. However, when re-examined by the prosecution, he reiterated: “Stewart appeared to have a normal facial appearance, nothing struck me out of the ordinary.”

 

[JudgeJudi]

Patients can have 'abnormal facial expressions'

Defence barrister Simon Russell Flint states: “We know that Stewart was admitted on March 18 last year back to Addenbrooke’s in respect of a cancer scare.” Defence barrister Simon Russell Flint asks Dr Pinto: “Overall having looked at records and history going back to 1996 what was your assessment of the severity of Myasthenia gravis suffered by Stewart?” Dr Pinto answers: “The records go from 1996 to 2005, he had severe symptoms requiring hospital treatment. “I have had some records from 2005 to 2016, including that Stewart had a two month admission to hospital requiring treatment. “Even after 2005 there’s evidence the patient had troublesome “Myasthenia gravis requiring ongoing treatment to bring about improvement in symptoms. “Patients of Myasthenia gravis can have abnormal facial expressions.”