GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #9

[Tortoise]

The Judge ('Milady') in the OP trail was an utter joke and frankly I was never convinced she hadn't been 'got at'. I trust the Judge in this case will be entirely impartial - but I sincerely hope he will correct some of the inaccuracies and downright untruths in Russell Flint's summing up. RF even misquoted Helen's own words from her book!

He's doing a good job by extending today's hearing, he does not want Flinty polluting the airwaves on Monday morning.

 

[Alyce]

this has put the tin hat on it all.

There must be something far more deep and spiritual in him for such a woman like Helen to have got past his physical frailness and quirks,



Flint has gone too far now:

now I definately think he's on the Pros payroll

 

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&amp]Cess pit 'last place' Stewart would have put Helen - defence

“Can you, having analysed the evidence, conclude you have no doubt it was Stewart who killed Helen and Boris, and dropped them so callously into that cess pit?

“Who was one of the first people Stewart would have known would have been asking him the question of ‘where’s Helen?’

“Her brother John, of course. Who would have been one of the most anxious people to find out where she was? John.

“Do you really truly believe that Stewart could thus have gone on to put the person he had killed in the very place that Helen’s brother had been told, in his presence, would be a good place to hide a body?

“Really? Stewart might not have thought when he killed Helen that there was a possibility that John Bailey might have recalled that conversation?

“Yet still allegedly he was to dump her in that spot. It’s crazy.

“It’s the last place this intelligent man, if he had killer her, would have put her.”
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[peter010101]

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“There must be something far more deep and spiritual in him ..."
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That remark must be the 'richest' yet.

(In fairness to SRF, i have undone Tara's excision of "far more" in her title-line quote.)

 

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&amp]Cess pit 'last place' Stewart would have put Helen - defence

“Can you, having analysed the evidence, conclude you have no doubt it was Stewart who killed Helen and Boris, and dropped them so callously into that cess pit?

“Who was one of the first people Stewart would have known would have been asking him the question of ‘where’s Helen?’

“Her brother John, of course. Who would have been one of the most anxious people to find out where she was? John.

“Do you really truly believe that Stewart could thus have gone on to put the person he had killed in the very place that Helen’s brother had been told, in his presence, would be a good place to hide a body?

“Really? Stewart might not have thought when he killed Helen that there was a possibility that John Bailey might have recalled that conversation?

“Yet still allegedly he was to dump her in that spot. It’s crazy.

“It’s the last place this intelligent man, if he had killer her, would have put her.”
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Leave John out of this. He has more decorum than every last one of you put together.

 

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Manhole cover was exposed for police to see[/h]“If Stewart knew Helen was there [in the cess pit] and he was trying to conceal that fact, why did he not put her white Jeep over the cover to the pit before he called the police?

“When he called them eventually on April 15 and the first police officer arrived, that manhole cover was exposed for the world to see, to open, to peer into.

“This police officer said Stewart was helpful, gave full access around the house, and confirmed that on this day the Jeep was not in the garage obstructing any view of that manhole cover.”
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[cottonweaver]

He's good at this though

““Her brother John, of course. Who would have been one of the most anxious people to find out where she was? John..

Do you really truly believe that Stewart could thus have gone on to put the person he had killed in the very place that Helen’s brother had been told, in his presence, would be a good place to hide a body?

“Really? Stewart might not have thought when he killed Helen that there was a possibility that John Bailey might have recalled that conversation?

 

[BatFace]

This would be funny, if there weren't so much at stake.

 

[KarenUK]

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[FONT=&amp]Something 'deep and spiritual' in Stewart

“Beware those opinions of Stewart expressed in hindsight of those difficult few months, after he was arrested, from those healthcare professionals, and even DC Daines and DC Lockwood.

“Yes Stewart might present a little oddly, but that is due to his illness myasthenia gravis.

“There must be something far more deep and spiritual in him for such a woman like Helen to have got past his physical frailness and quirks, and to love him as much as she did.”

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!!!! Pass the chunder-bucket!

 

[Alyce]

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[FONT=&]Cess pit 'last place' Stewart would have put Helen - defence

“Can you, having analysed the evidence, conclude you have no doubt it was Stewart who killed Helen and Boris, and dropped them so callously into that cess pit?

“Who was one of the first people Stewart would have known would have been asking him the question of ‘where’s Helen?’

“Her brother John, of course. Who would have been one of the most anxious people to find out where she was? John.

“Do you really truly believe that Stewart could thus have gone on to put the person he had killed in the very place that Helen’s brother had been told, in his presence, would be a good place to hide a body?

“Really? Stewart might not have thought when he killed Helen that there was a possibility that John Bailey might have recalled that conversation?

“Yet still allegedly he was to dump her in that spot. It’s crazy.

“It’s the last place this intelligent man, if he had killer her, would have put her.”
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BIB but IS said he did not remember this conversation didnt he ?

 

[Tortoise]

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[FONT=&amp]Something 'deep and spiritual' in Stewart

“Beware those opinions of Stewart expressed in hindsight of those difficult few months, after he was arrested, from those healthcare professionals, and even DC Daines and DC Lockwood.

“Yes Stewart might present a little oddly, but that is due to his illness myasthenia gravis.

“There must be something far more deep and spiritual in him for such a woman like Helen to have got past his physical frailness and quirks, and to love him as much as she did.”

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:freakedout: uke:uke:uke:

 

[cottonweaver]

BIB but IS said he did not remember this conversation didnt he ?

Yes he reckoned JB was not there when a convo about the cess pit being a good hidey hole was discussed.

 

[LozDa]

Every time my work phone rings, it takes all my strength not to scream 'NOT NOW!' down it.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Ian Stewart is about as 'deep and spiritual' as that cess pit - and as full of crap. Yet again Russell Flint is using Helen's misguided love for this predator against her - ie, someone as bright and insightful as Helen loved IS, therefore he must be a great guy! 'Cos women are never murdered by the man they love, are they? Oh, hang on...

We've heard quite enough of this garbage, RF is asking for a slap now and if I was in court I'd be sorely tempted to deliver it.

 

[cottonweaver]

Every time my work phone rings, it takes all my strength not to scream 'NOT NOW!' down it.

You'll be needing to nip to a bar over the road after this. Get a double!

 

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]No scent of Helen picked up by dog[/h]“Why was no scent picked up by the dog, if Helen had been for any measure of the time lying by the cess pit cover, while Stewart struggled with the opening of that cess pit, in presumably broad daylight in the morning of April 11?

“Nothing was picked up by the dog because she wasn’t dead on April 19, or April 21, she wasn’t in the cess pit on the day. Only later, maybe on April 26, when Nick and Joe returned, was she then put in the cess pit.

“Maybe then was she dead already, but not killed by Stewart. Is that not a possibility?”
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[LozDa]

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[FONT=&amp]No scent of Helen picked up by dog

“Why was no scent picked up by the dog, if Helen had been for any measure of the time lying by the cess pit cover, while Stewart struggled with the opening of that cess pit, in presumably broad daylight in the morning of April 11?

“Nothing was picked up by the dog because she wasn’t dead on April 19, or April 21, she wasn’t in the cess pit on the day. Only later, maybe on April 26, when Nick and Joe returned, was she then put in the cess pit.

“Maybe then was she dead already, but not killed by Stewart. Is that not a possibility?”
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I think a strong word needs to be had with the jury about possibility Vs probability.

 

[Interested Bystander]

SRF now is really getting quite sick with his suggestions but I guess this is what IS is paying for. Something like £500 n hour plus VAT + expenses no doubt.

 

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Stewart a real risk of 'serious harm'[/h]“On his arrest on July 11, when he shouted ‘Jamie the garage door is open’ he didn’t know police were there. “He was only halfway down the stairs.

“He was then asking them where Helen was. Why couldn’t police have said to him then ‘there’s no body’?

“Stewart told you repeatedly he was advised by his solicitor not to answer any questions.

“What could he have said to police, without exposing others and himself to that very real risk of serious harm?”
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[cottonweaver]

“On his arrest on July 11, when he shouted ‘Jamie the garage door is open’ he didn’t know police were there. “He was only halfway down the stairs.

twollox, it's on the video cam and another cop also testified to it in it's full context and sequence.