UK UK - Jill Dando, 37, Fulham, London, 26 Apr 1999

  • #981
David James Smith pops up in the BBC 2019 anniversary documentary on the day she was killed and the investigation that followed.

Well worth a watch for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

Ah interesting mentioning a few of the flings she had in the years that lead up to her death. You have to think there would be a glimmer of credible information if you scrutinised all those names again in a cold case review I bet.

Strange last bit about the BBC, what was the context behind that quote?

She was going to be a co-host on the Millennium coverage and I reckon if she had lived she'd have been the co-host on Strictly Come Dancing, that show started in May 2004 and can see the impact it has had on Tess Daly and Claudia Winkleman's careers.
 
  • #982
David James Smith pops up in the BBC 2019 anniversary documentary on the day she was killed and the investigation that followed.

Well worth a watch for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

Ah interesting mentioning a few of the flings she had in the years that lead up to her death. You have to think there would be a glimmer of credible information if you scrutinised all those names again in a cold case review I bet.

Strange last bit about the BBC, what was the context behind that quote?

She was going to be a co-host on the Millennium coverage and I reckon if she had lived she'd have been the co-host on Strictly Come Dancing, that show started in May 2004 and can see the impact it has had on Tess Daly and Claudia Winkleman's careers.
Just having a look at Smith's book.

First thing I noticed is that Jill Dando's family lived in a bungalow in Madam Lane in Worle, Weston-Super-Mare. Odd coincidence but my cousin's wife's mother lived in a bungalow on that very road when I was a kid - my cousin was at least thirty years older than me. I visited the place a few times when we went down to Weston and I remember going blackberry picking there as it was right on the edge of town. Incidentally my cousin and his family lived in the same road (Weston Crescent) as Cary Grant's half-brother and Grant was a regular visitor. I grew up (and live) five minutes walk from the house (in Horfield, Bristol) where Grant was born, and when he visited Bristol he used to go to Bristol City matches with a neighbour of ours. Boo! I'm a Rovers fan - their ground is just up the road - but the less said about that the better. There are also some Dandos on my mother's side of the family (from Gloucestershire), and I once by chance stumbled into Jill's Garden in the small but rather wonderful Grove Park in Weston.

Below: Grant with his half-brother and his wife in Weston Crescent, Horfield, Bristol.

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Anyway enough about me!

In chapter four of the book Smith writes about a dinner at the Criterion. Piccadilly Circus, on 19 January 1999, where Jill's future was being discussed with her agent, Jon Roseman and some BBC bigwigs. Roseman was worried about her career. Smith writes that Jill had "a big hole to fill" as she would no longer be reading the news, and had decided to give up Holiday. Anne Morrison, the head of factual programmes at the BBC, ran through the options. All Jon could hear were vague ideas and "Carol Vorderman cast-offs". "There was still Crimewatch, a couple of Panoramas...but not a lot else". Peter Salmon, the controller of BBC1, told Jill she should consider doing some radio. Roseman said that what the BBC was offering was "an insult to Jill". Salmon was "very angry" and Jill was highly embarrassed.

Below: Carol Vorderman's old back garden in "an idyllic part" of Bristol, near the Clifton Suspension Bridge. Mine is not quite up to this standard! She lived there for twenty years but very recently moved back to North Wales.

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A short time later Jane Lush, BBC head of daytime TV, Jill's "talent contact" there, and former editor of Holiday, who had been at the Criterion dinner, had lunch with Des Lynam and he proposed that as he was thinking of giving up his role as a sports presenter he and Jill could become the Beeb's version of Richard and Judy. They were due to do the Millennium Night presentation together. When Jane told Jill about this she was "incredibly flattered" but worried about daytime TV not being as important as prime-time.

Smith writes "Later, amid the hyperbole surrounding her death, it might have seemed as if she was at the peak of her career, lauded by the BBC as an icon, so loved and cherished by the corporation that it would have done anything for her,. but that was not how it felt at the time, not to Jill." Alan Farthing apparently thought that Jill felt that she might be becoming "yesterday's girl."

Through a contact Jon Roseman fixed up a meeting with David Liddiment ("ITV's most senior executive"), who was enthusiastic about getting Jill for ITV and said she could have her choice of factual programmes and read the News at Ten when Trevor McDonald wasn't doing it. But Jill had doubts and didn't want to give up Crimewatch.

Beliow: Nigel Dando, Jill's brother, in Jill's Garden, Weston-Super Mare.

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  • #983
That's really interesting, thanks for typing out that excerpt.

Hard to see her getting side-lined by the BBC with how popular she was with viewers at the time.

Was in no danger of losing the Crimewatch co-hosting role so probably a light entertainment role would've turned up before SCD as she would've been a serious contender to co-host that imo.
 
  • #984
That's really interesting, thanks for typing out that excerpt.

Hard to see her getting side-lined by the BBC with how popular she was with viewers at the time.

Was in no danger of losing the Crimewatch co-hosting role so probably a light entertainment role would've turned up before SCD as she would've been a serious contender to co-host that imo.
Thee BBC seems to think up programmes for some presenters or to allow them to think up programmes for themselves. Alan Yentob retired from the BBC, but then did all sorts of programmes about things that interested him. After the original Top Gear ended, Jeremy Clarkson did all sorts of stuff, including programmes about different European countries. I don't think that Jill Dando would have been signing on at the Fulham Job Centre.
 
  • #985
Thee BBC seems to think up programmes for some presenters or to allow them to think up programmes for themselves. Alan Yentob retired from the BBC, but then did all sorts of programmes about things that interested him. After the original Top Gear ended, Jeremy Clarkson did all sorts of stuff, including programmes about different European countries. I don't think that Jill Dando would have been signing on at the Fulham Job Centre.

If things had got really difficult with the BBC she'd have gone to ITV I reckon. Or even Channel 5 had likes of Kirsty Young and Natasha Kaplinsky hosting the news in the 2000s.

She was due to co-host the Millennium coverage which was a huge event so BBC wouldn't just assign that to a presenter on the way out or undervalued imo.

Was trying to think of what else was big on TV in 1999/2000, did she ever host the Lottery coverage?

Davina McCall became big on TV a few years after her death and she had a BBC chatshow for a year (although it was awful).

Also Antiques Roadshow just come on my TV and Fiona Bruce is hosting that still.
 
  • #986
Having skimmed through David James Smith's book I now know why Barry might have done it, IF he did it.

In March 1999 he told a doctor he hadn't had a bowel movement in six months - but left the hospital before an x-ray could be taken.

That bloating must have been unbearable. Drive anyone to distraction. But to murder?

I wonder if he tried laxatives?
 
  • #987
Having skimmed through David James Smith's book I now know why Barry might have done it, IF he did it.

In March 1999 he told a doctor he hadn't had a bowel movement in six months - but left the hospital before an x-ray could be taken.

That bloating must have been unbearable. Drive anyone to distraction. But to murder?

I wonder if he tried laxatives?
Six months? I don't beleve that. You'd be very ill long before that with a blockage and need them to remove it.
 
  • #988
On guns, I definitely agree that George almost certainly lacked the skills and tools needed to modify a replica or deactivated gun.

Could he have sourced one? I think this is unlikely. George was a loner, he almost certainly didn’t have any criminal connections, as an epileptic he neither drank nor smoke and thus didn’t frequent the sorts of places one might maintain such relationships. Police certainly tried to establish if he’d got hold of a gun some other way and of course there was an offer of reward money for information, not to mention that the tabloid press would’ve paid out handsomely to anyone who recalled Barry George asking them to supply or modify a gun. But nothing was uncovered.

The other problem with the idea that George was walking the streets in possession of a firearm is that could this odd, Walter Mitty-type character have remained tight-lipped about having a gun on his person? He’d say and often do anything to impress practically anyone he met (not to mention that he apparently often came into contact with police), yet as far as I can tell no one after the late 1980s can recall George possessing, or even mentioning possessing, a ‘gun’. Even his ‘wife’, who - understandably - despised him, never to my knowledge made any mention of him possessing firearms during their marriage.
Fully agree. Although these guns were in circulation, they were few and far between and in the hands of the criminal fraternity.

Although he may have made contacts whilst in prison, the big point is that even handling a modified gun (as well as the more serious charge of doing the modification) is a serious crime. Any amateur gunsmith would've been hesitant to supply BG with a weapon because they too would have been implicated in any crime that he would've committed. Even a 60 second conversation would've shown that he wasn't the full ticket and probably would've spilled the beans on who supplied him with the weapon. It wouldn't have been worth the risk, ,especially as I doubt BG would've been paying megabucks.

I also agree that had he had a gun her would've been toting it around and someone would've known about it.
 
  • #989
I think this shows again he was capable of this crime. Moo
You think every rapist is capable of shooting someone in the head at point-blank range?
 
  • #990
Who? Honestly I have no idea, but I'd look among the men she knew. Someone angry he got rejected? Or unable to cope with her engagement? Don't know, it smells somewhat personal to me. What I see is someone who waited at Jill's doorstep wanting to kill here. This person is well acquitanced with guns and ballistic (a propos limited range, the perp wasn't concerned with that considering he made the load of gunpowder in the cartridge smaller, seems point blank was his plan all the time), also with anatomy of the brain, considering he chose the best angle of the shot, that guaranteed the brain stem damage and instant death. He knows a thing or two about blood spatter, has cool head and is a meticulous planner.

What I don't see here is a work of loud, sloppy, bumbling man, waving his gun carelessly. Whoever it was knew what he was doing and what for.
So the murderer was a guy she knew, acquainted with guys.... but the police couldn't find this person after X years?
 
  • #991
The real question is why does Barry still continue to lie about the picture of him holding the gun he always states it isn't him in the picture when it clearly is and if he is innocent I just dont get the reasoning behind lying it doesn't help his case.
Because you're assuming he thinks logically
 
  • #992
So the murderer was a guy she knew, acquainted with guys.... but the police couldn't find this person after X years?

JMO but I doubt it was someone she knew well. JD had a lot of 'super fans' who nowadays might well be referred to as 'stalkers'.
 
  • #993
So the murderer was a guy she knew, acquainted with guys.... but the police couldn't find this person after X years?
Yes. It happens in many, many cases.
 

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