Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher, 19, Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, 14 Feb 2019 #2

[Enquirer-2019]

Google 'make a taser' and you can build one yourself. Plus you can take it apart and hide it in plain sight as it's just random bits, not like having a industry-manufactured one on your premises.

That’s frightening! :-0

 

[Enquirer-2019]

I did a first aid course earlier this month and the instructor said to try dialling 999 from a mobile even if it is out of signal as it will try to pick up a signal on another network. Wonder if LE have checked for abandoned 999 calls. If you made a 999 call out of signal area, would it show on your own mobile data?

Interesting point, we would hope such calls on the day would have been investigated. I presume such calls would definitely show on call history with service provider, however I’m not certain.

 

[ly502]

Although I have been following this case closely, I cannot recall if LE has made an actual plea to the public for information/help recently. I simply cannot find the most recent articles.

It seems that, when they really have no information at all, LE resorts to pleas to the public. If they have leads, however, they seem to keep quiet to protect the investigation. They may not release video, etc. They may not want anything to interfere with their investigation. When they truly have nothing, it seems that large search parties are gathered (whether by LE or family and friends). I tend to agree that they may not want to tip off anyone who may be a POI.

I agree that this has been odd from the very beginning, and I do hope it's because they have promising information.

 

[Alyce]

Surely the parents would have known if she was on holiday leave. I would imagine she would have saved her leave for upcoming holiday. If she had the following day off work then you think she would have mentioned it to mum/dad when they were choosing airport hotel on the last night they saw here before going to bed? Also dad said she had refused to take the day off work once before for family wedding as she couldn’t get cover..considering she was such a creature of habit alarm bells would have been ringing with me when I received call from her work at 5pm & I couldn’t contact her by phone (either mobile or home telephone incase she was at home ill) I would defo have called police when I arrived home & found she wasn’t there. Jmo.

It was Wednesday Feb 13 when they chose the airport hotel.
Thursday Feb 14 at around 10pm is when her parents say they last saw Leah - and this is the time that they say they went to bed.
They also say, Leah went to bed.

I agree though, it would seem fairly normal family chat to mention that she had the day off work on the Friday. And a bit strange, to be so worried by her non appearance at work, that JC raced home and rushed up to Leah's bedroom to check on her....and then calmly waited for 3 hours until she didnt show up at 8.30pm for dinner.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

And a bit strange, to be so worried by her non appearance at work, that JC raced home and rushed up to Leah's bedroom to check on her....and then calmly waited for 3 hours until she didnt show up at 8.30pm for dinner.

I got the impression he thought she might have had a medical emergency at home, so when he got back and she wasn't found to be ill - or dead - in bed he was probably pretty relieved.

 

[Miss_French]

When it is said that a mobile is switched off, does that definitely mean someone pressed a button to turn it off? Could it mean it went out of signal? (Maybe indicate a direction)? Or ran out of battery? (Unlikely if she had been home all night with the ability to charge it).

I think switched off would mean the phone has no power: deliberately switched off, battery removed or broken beyond use. In this case the phone stays on the last mast to which it connected and there is a final signal sent after a couple of hours; this can be tracked by LE.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

It was Wednesday Feb 13 when they chose the airport hotel.
Thursday Feb 14 at around 10pm is when her parents say they last saw Leah - and this is the time that they say they went to bed.
They also say, Leah went to bed.

I agree though, it would seem fairly normal family chat to mention that she had the day off work on the Friday. And a bit strange, to be so worried by her non appearance at work, that JC raced home and rushed up to Leah's bedroom to check on her....and then calmly waited for 3 hours until she didnt show up at 8.30pm for dinner.

I wonder why the colleague didn't check about Leah booking a day off before ringing her dad to tell him Leah hadn't turned up for work. Why panic someone like that? And yes, I agree it's a bit strange to be so worried that Leah's dad raced home to check on her but then just assumed she was with friends, with a phone out of battery. Maybe I over think these things but why not ring round her friends, or go looking outside or on her route to make sure she hadn't had an accident or fallen or even that she might have been sick and have gone out of the house anyway (her door open and her bed made) and have collapsed somewhere.

 

[Enquirer-2019]

Although I have been following this case closely, I cannot recall if LE has made an actual plea to the public for information/help recently. I simply cannot find the most recent articles.

It seems that, when they really have no information at all, LE resorts to pleas to the public. If they have leads, however, they seem to keep quiet to protect the investigation. They may not release video, etc. They may not want anything to interfere with their investigation. When they truly have nothing, it seems that large search parties are gathered (whether by LE or family and friends). I tend to agree that they may not want to tip off anyone who may be a POI.

I agree that this has been odd from the very beginning, and I do hope it's because they have promising information.

I read a case today in MK news that came up when I search ‘Leah Croucher’ in google (I’m sure we all do regularly checking for updates on cases we follow). My point being there was an appeal for a man regarding a sexual assault back in 2018 (not mentioned on these threads previously) and it got me thinking would LE be looking closer at past cases like that one for any correlation.

I am not insinuating that LE think that suspect took Leah, I’m wondering if they make fresh appeals (like that case) to rule out any potential correlations?

 

[Oraclle]

I think switched off would mean the phone has no power: deliberately switched off, battery removed or broken beyond use. In this case the phone stays on the last mast to which it connected and there is a final signal sent after a couple of hours; this can be tracked by LE.

Good information.

I've seen you post some technical stuff in the past, so you might be able to help me out here: Do you know if the LTE protocol has a graceful communication termination sequence? I would guess that if it does, the phone would send those commands as it shuts down, but not necessarily if was immediately denied power by being smashed.

 

[Miss_French]

Good information.

I've seen you post some technical stuff in the past, so you might be able to help me out here: Do you know if the LTE protocol has a graceful communication termination sequence? I would guess that if it does, the phone would send those commands as it shuts down, but not necessarily if was immediately denied power by being smashed.

Sorry, I actually possess very little tech geekiness and have no idea!!

 

[Oraclle]

Sorry, I actually possess very little tech geekiness and have no idea!!

Well you still seem well up on how these things work from a practical perspective, so good on you for sharing that

 

[Skigh]

I wonder why the colleague didn't check about Leah booking a day off before ringing her dad to tell him Leah hadn't turned up for work. Why panic someone like that? And yes, I agree it's a bit strange to be so worried that Leah's dad raced home to check on her but then just assumed she was with friends, with a phone out of battery. Maybe I over think these things but why not ring round her friends, or go looking outside or on her route to make sure she hadn't had an accident or fallen or even that she might have been sick and have gone out of the house anyway (her door open and her bed made) and have collapsed somewhere.

I agree .
Why did he not go out and follow her route to work,he could phone her friends as he walked.

 

[cluciano63]

Seems unlikely that LE would be so silent if they had any info...Leah is still missing. When a body has been found, police are often quiet as they investigate but when a person is missing, they tend to share any video etc that may help, it seems, at least in UK cases. It does no good to be silent and secretive when the person may still be alive someplace. Jmo

 

[cherrytree9]

I wonder why the colleague didn't check about Leah booking a day off before ringing her dad to tell him Leah hadn't turned up for work. Why panic someone like that? And yes, I agree it's a bit strange to be so worried that Leah's dad raced home to check on her but then just assumed she was with friends, with a phone out of battery. Maybe I over think these things but why not ring round her friends, or go looking outside or on her route to make sure she hadn't had an accident or fallen or even that she might have been sick and have gone out of the house anyway (her door open and her bed made) and have collapsed somewhere.

Like someone else mentioned, he only rushed home because he thought she might be ill in bed. They might not have her friends numbers and I'd assume they wanted to stay home because they wouldn't know if she returned if they went out to look. They rang the police the second they thought something was seriously wrong, so that's why they weren't out looking earlier.

 

[Cardgame]

I think switched off would mean the phone has no power: deliberately switched off, battery removed or broken beyond use. In this case the phone stays on the last mast to which it connected and there is a final signal sent after a couple of hours; this can be tracked by LE.

It seems odd that LE have never shared information about what has happened to her phone. We have no information about where the phone last pinged, or how they know the phone was 'turned off'. This information seems to have come from the family, early on in the case, but we don't know how THEY know that the phone was turned off, whether they know because LE told them, or some other way.

If someone is last seen at 8.15, and their phone turns off at 8.30, and they do not appear again on CCTV, you would think that the position of the phone at the point when it turns off is CRUCIAL information which LE would be sharing.

But I don't know if they necessarily have that info, as I'm not sure how pinging works. I just know pinging can be helpful, but in this case we have heard nothing about pings.

I'll stop saying ping now.

 

[Alyce]

I wonder why the colleague didn't check about Leah booking a day off before ringing her dad to tell him Leah hadn't turned up for work. Why panic someone like that? And yes, I agree it's a bit strange to be so worried that Leah's dad raced home to check on her but then just assumed she was with friends, with a phone out of battery. Maybe I over think these things but why not ring round her friends, or go looking outside or on her route to make sure she hadn't had an accident or fallen or even that she might have been sick and have gone out of the house anyway (her door open and her bed made) and have collapsed somewhere.

Depending on who this colleague is, I wonder if they just phoned JC, thinking that there would be a simple explanation re Leah. But - when JC could not provide an answer and, in addition, sounded very worried about her being missing - perhaps the colleague then said they would check re day off etc.
I am fairly sure I read somewhere that the colleague called back to JC about 9pm ? to say that Leah had not booked a day off. Possibly, with it being Friday night, it took a while to locate a person from the Company who could provide this information.

 

[Alyce]

I got the impression he thought she might have had a medical emergency at home, so when he got back and she wasn't found to be ill - or dead - in bed he was probably pretty relieved.

I think I would have then started to wonder where she was.
From everything the family have said, I got the impression that Leah was responsible and considerate of others. So to not turn up for work, on a scheduled work day and not let anyone know and to have her phone switched off all day **, would have raised concerns for me.

Instead JC seemed ok with sitting it out until 8.30pm, the scheduled dinner time.
I wonder if this 8.30pm dinner was a Friday night family get together, hence the reason JC was sure Leah would definately be home by then.
Because, we were told that, the night before, Leah had ordered a take away, so presumably the 8.30pm dinner was not an every night routine.

** Re phone switch off - I am guessing here, but if the colleague was concerned enough to phone JC at 5pm, then I feel fairly sure he or she would have already been trying to contact Leah during the day, via her mobile and possibly also her home land line. I doubt the colleague would wait until 5pm to check on her and I think the only reason they phoned JC then was because they had tried all other options.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Maybe her work had to wait until it had been logged with the police before confidentiality could be breached to officially confirm it wasn’t booked off.
All families are different. Years ago I was on holiday when flooding took place that made the news in Britain. My work phoned to check on me and my then 5 year old, hours before my parents did.

 

[cherrytree9]

Maybe her work had to wait until it had been logged with the police before confidentiality could be breached to officially confirm it wasn’t booked off.
All families are different. Years ago I was on holiday when flooding took place that made the news in Britain. My work phoned to check on me and my then 5 year old, hours before my parents did.

From what I remember it was the other way around - her parents rang 999 when they got confirmation she wasn't booked off.

 

[Enquirer-2019]

Seems unlikely that LE would be so silent if they had any info...Leah is still missing. When a body has been found, police are often quiet as they investigate but when a person is missing, they tend to share any video etc that may help, it seems, at least in UK cases. It does no good to be silent and secretive when the person may still be alive someplace. Jmo

I think they may have shared all they have, and that’s what they meant by ‘vanished without trace’ they’ve hit a brick wall. But hopefully like in most cases (not all) somthing new will come up eventually.