Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #3 *ARREST*

[CoverMeCagney]

I just thought of something I don’t think has been discussed at all. In a scenario where Libby was attacked and was screaming on and off for 15 minutes, it means she was fighting, literally for her life, which means he should have scratches, bite marks or other injuries .

 

[Elainera]

Crazy thought about bench 2:
Maybe LE sent two people in white and with a torch in the park just to get the media off their backs ... because something important is going on elsewhere ....

 

[Sera]

I just thought of something I don’t think has been discussed at all. In a scenario where Libby was attacked and was screaming on and off for 15 minutes, it means she was fighting, literally for her life, which means he should have scratches, bite marks or other injuries .

Unless (it's horrifying to think about) he'd tied her hands together by that point, potentially while passed out in the car? JMO.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Good point. And if you end up in freezing cold water you might scream ... He might have chased her, she fell in and screamed. He might have tried to get her out but couldn't, so he just ran off at one point. jmo

This is roughly how I picture it

 

[Sera]

I doubt it's been mentioned in MSM, but does anyone know if the "dark and eerie screams" were screams in the sense of, a terrified shriek, like an actual scream... Or screams as in, screaming words, like "help"?

 

[Dowls90]

Ugh... I'm glad you noticed my question as I thought no one had seen it but your answer gave me chills. I know he went to the gym but I was sort of hoping no one else would think he was capable so I could get the thought out of my head. Of course, PR may be innocent, I'm just thinking up scenarios that may be possible.

Hi Folks,

I came to the thread late and have been lurking whilst I caught up! Finally I’m all caught up, haven’t you all been busy!

Sera, Mancguy although I’ve never done it and I don’t plan on doing it...picking up an unconscious person from the floor and carrying them over a distance would be different and a lot harder than picking someone up that is able to stiffen their body and assist with the pick up. I’m not saying he wasn’t capable but I think it would be difficult. That been said, with the ground being frozen on that night, if the perp resorted to dragging it would probably leave no trail so that is also a possibility.

 

[audge86]

I just thought of something I don’t think has been discussed at all. In a scenario where Libby was attacked and was screaming on and off for 15 minutes, it means she was fighting, literally for her life, which means he should have scratches, bite marks or other injuries .

Possible and could be the sort of evidence which got them so many extensions.

I wish she had brought her phone with her. Would be so useful for police

 

[Ruki]

I just thought of something I don’t think has been discussed at all. In a scenario where Libby was attacked and was screaming on and off for 15 minutes, it means she was fighting, literally for her life, which means he should have scratches, bite marks or other injuries .

As someone on the slender side, I wouldn't fancy my chances of inflicting injuries if I was highly intoxicated and against a much heavier person with some martial arts knowledge, especially if they knew any holds as many MA enthusiasts do. But yes, you'd hope there would be some evidence of this.

 

[Officer Dibble]

5 weeks, I just checked.
Realistically and horrifyingly, Libby could be in the sea, it's only 3-4 miles away.

Oh that close? Shudder - it doesn't bear thinking about.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Whatever he said to get her to go with him must have been persuasive because there is only just over 20 minutes or so between grey beard man speaking to her at 11.45 and smoking man putting her in the car at 12.09 (if that is LS and PR in the video). For at least 8 of those minutes he was in or around his car.

I am beginning to think they weren't complete strangers - she possibly knew him by sight, either from the gym or as a friend of a friend of an acquaintance type of thing.

But then if they weren't complete strangers he would have to do away with her then else she would know who to report

 

[Officer Dibble]

I just thought of something I don’t think has been discussed at all. In a scenario where Libby was attacked and was screaming on and off for 15 minutes, it means she was fighting, literally for her life, which means he should have scratches, bite marks or other injuries .

I wondered this earlier and if that gave the Police enough suspicion on top of whatever made them call him in

 

[LittleMystery]

Interesting thought - have we seen any footage of dogs assisting the search yet?

Dogs were used very early on to search at least one house - unsure who it belongs to but it looked like 29 Wellesley Ave as can be seen in this article.

Libby Squire's mother shares heartbreaking post as search for missing student, 21, enters fifth day | Daily Mail Online

I also watched a video of the same dog being used at the bench on the corner where Libby was last seen. If I find it again, I’ll post it.

Haven’t seen any footage of dogs being used in the park.

 

[Dowls90]

Could the police be using the markers as a way to just highlight the area they wish to photograph..just because it’s dark? The fact they have been and gone in an hour suggests to me that the evidence they found (if any) wasn’t very important because as far as I’m aware there’s no police presence now and the scene hasn’t been preserved. Just my own opinion of course, I’m not fully clued up on the protocol.

 

[DanCJ]

Do police have to notify immediately to the public if they have found Libby?

I have a theory they may have found LS already, especially after today’s events. They may have wanted one more day to formulae a sound conviction with forensic evidence waiting to come through. The extension, especially twice would not be sanctioned if they didn’t have something significant.

 

[MancGuy Uk]

Unless (it's horrifying to think about) he'd tied her hands together by that point, potentially while passed out in the car? JMO.

Good point but I think if he restrained her he would have done that in the car

 

[Dowls90]

Do police have to notify immediately to the public if they have found Libby?

I have a theory they may have found LS already, especially after today’s events. They may have wanted one more day to formulae a sound conviction with forensic evidence waiting to come through. The extension, especially twice would not be sanctioned if they didn’t have something significant.

I’m not sure wether they have to...however, I’m sure we would have known about it by now unless it’s in an extremely remote location etc because we would have seen the forensic activity with various tents being erected.

 

[arrogantcat]

I’m struggling to work out how the second bench could fit in.
In all plausible versions of events, it’s hard to imagine her willingly leaving a warm car and going into a dark, abandoned park with a stranger, especially on such a cold night.

But it seems equally unlikely that he’d have carried her there - his strength being an issue, and why choose such an open and accessible spot with trees and bushes nearby if doing something sinister?
And if she’d somehow ran there to flee him, again, why stop at a bench?

The only really plausible explanation I can come up with is that the suspect fabricated a story and referenced a bench that he’s familiar with from family trips to the park. Which would mean the forensics tonight would just be a formality, really - an altogether unsatisfying thought.

 

[Sera]

I’m not sure wether they have to...however, I’m sure we would have known about it by now unless it’s in an extremely remote location etc because we would have seen the forensic activity with various tents being erected.

I think they meant if they've found her alive? Could be wrong.

 

[Eleanor Rigby]

Possibly having no phone, no keys, being in the cold, and probably needing the loo after having lots of drinks might have clouded her judgement just 10 - 15 minutes before she turned down a lift from a stranger why would she except a lift from a another? I think to get her into his car he must have bragged about being a taxi driver something someone close to her said in an appeal she would not get into a car with a stranger I think that if she had her mobile phone on her which sadly she didn’t she would have contacted one of her friends and told them about having no key and called a tax with a number saved in her phone to go back to bar

I never saw it stated that the bearded man offered her a ride, only that he offered assistance. He might have offered to call a taxi, police or her parents, not knowing where or with whom she lived. Maybe she didn't want anyone called at that point. Maybe she wasn't ready to go back to the Welly, or didn't want to go back. On the other hand, maybe he did offer to drive her somewhere and she turned him down because she thought an old guy with long gray hair and a beard looked "creepy." Also, we don't know what HIS intentions were; there is no shortage of predators, especially late at night, IMO. I believe it has only been stated that he was cleared, so there must be evidence he was not involved in her disappearance from the bench. If she did willingly accept a ride from the suspect, it might have been because being young and clean cut he seemed like a fellow student, and thus less dangerous than the "creepy old guy." JMO.

 

[Dowls90]

I think they meant if they've found her alive? Could be wrong.

Ahh you could be right. I would absolutely love for that to be the case though. Although I very much doubt it....they surely would have charged him by now if that was the case, wouldn’t they?