Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #4 *ARREST*

[Elainera]

He has not.

Yes he did. He told his sister he gave her a lift.

 

[DanCJ]

I’m frustrated right now. I feel they’ve got the right person. But he is clearly not giving the police anything at all.

Libby has to be found. It’s the only way they can get him for good. I just wish an army of people could be sanctioned to help in the search. Every house in Hull, every drain, get divers in the river, get them up at Malton and nearby shrubbery on the way.

Sorry, my passion boiling over!

 

[Coach]

What makes me feel sick is that PR only got married last Summer, right? Yet these charges date back to months before then. If only his poor wife had known sooner, she could have been saved from all of this. I feel so incredibly sorry for her right now (assuming PR is actually guilty and that she didn't know any of this).

I agree, I feel sorry for his wife and also for the two young children.

 

[margarita25]

That's not true. They are investigating Claudia Lawrence as murder with no firm evidence of death

?

LE will always say and hope that a person is alive unless there is evidence to prove that they are deceased. This is an example of what that would look like (blood evidence, confession, missing gone a very long time, etc:

( Longmont police believe Rita Gutierrez-Garcia is dead, have ID'd 'person of interest' )

I need to see this case you reference because no way someone’s going to pursue murder charges without some evidence.

(Edited to Add:

Taking a look at Claudia Lawrence’s case now:

Hmmmmm, according to this you are correct:

“Six weeks after Lawrence went missing, the investigation into her disappearance was reclassified from a missing person's case to a suspected murder enquiry, although NYP have acknowledged they have no evidence that Lawrence is dead.[9][10]“

Disappearance of Claudia Lawrence - Wikipedia

Well they must have sooomething...?)

 

[mrjitty]

That's not true. They are investigating Claudia Lawrence as murder with no firm evidence of death

That case started as missing persons, but later was charged as homicide years later when new evidence emerged.

There are indeed cases which have been successfully prosecuted without a body. But in those cases, some other forensic evidence of death usually emerges, or the combination of circumstantial evidence, plus 100% disappearance, makes death a safe assumption.

But 10 days in, minus anything specific, how can anyone say with certainty Libby is not alive?

 

[Elainera]

So why are they not taking dogs into that park they have been searching up and down for over a week now and are still focussing on? Or did they do that already?

 

[Joolz1975]

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[TheTruthWillOut]

I think I'm going to bow out now and lurk until/unless there is a substantial break in the case as I doubt Police will give any more info and doubt PR will start talking any time soon.

I just hope Libby is found sooner rather than later and evidence shows what/who was responsible.

 

[Griffinlay]

No one is getting charged until they find Libby so the specific crime can be identified.

This is not the first rodeo for most people here! We all know how this goes.

Of course PR is the guy in the video. And of course that is Libby.

That is why the CCTV was released!

The question is not what car did she get into but where did she go.

Where is the evidence. LE would have tracked the cobweb car on cctv. That is not even PR car and the person in video is not him. The recording was not released by LE but the media. If that video showed what you say it would not be in public domain unless LE was asking public to come forward with information regarding it. Did they do that? No. Why? Because they already knew it was not PR.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

So his sister told the media that Libby was in his car for a joke then? I can't decide whether you're actually being serious or not.

LE very obviously believes he is responsible for Libby's death but doesn't have the evidence to prove it yet. Hopefully they will find it.

Unless he has admitted to police he offered LS a lift, right now anything the family say should not be taken as gospel. I would imagine his lawyer has already told them to stfu in talking to the media.

None of us know what the police think, and whatever suspicions they MAY have they have to have evidence. And as it stands, they haven't sufficient proof to charge him.

 

[Sera]

OH MY GOD. I've just been out shopping so got 100 messages to read so don't know if this has been mentioned, so sorry if it has.

I've just been talking to my partner and realised something...

WHY would PR put Libby's address in the SatNav when clearly he knows where Wellesley is because he was literally masturbating on Wellesley only a few days earlier?? Did he do it on purpose just to make it look like he was going to take her home but he didn't? He KNEW where Wellesley is!

 

[Steve0000]

It's noted they keep having an interpreter. While he has been in the UK a few years he appears to be around the Polish community at work and outside in which he probably rarely speaks English. Doesn't this raise the question how he might have got Libby voluntarily to enter his vehicle? Having a good command of the English language means you could put her at ease and reassure her to gain trust. Having very little command of English and all broken up seems like it would be a barrier.

 

[Griffinlay]

Yes he did. He told his sister he gave her a lift.

That is not evidence it is hearsay.

 

[margarita25]

Could his wife deep down have had some idea about some of these things just saying how did he do all this right under wife’s nose

(There’s a show on Investigation Discovery here in the States called “Evil Lives Here”. It’s one of my favorite shows. It interviews family members, wives, children etc, of convicted murderers. The theme of the show is “But there had been signs...”. My point is chances are likely his wife could have noticed things that were off, but not necessarily suspected he was up to or capable of crimes of that magnitude, moo. Or maybe she did...

 

[MancGuy Uk]

So glad they are keeping this creep in custody. I hope they find evidence to charge him soon in Libby's case.

Well he is off the streets for now at least

 

[LibraryGirl]

I think it’s time to consider that PR is not involved in LS disappearance at all. I know we all would like to believe he knows what has happened to her but I don’t believe he does.
He has come to the attention of the LE during there investigation into LS. They have probably seen him acting suspiciously while reviewing the cctv footage and brought him in for questioning. His prints and dna would be taken and this is what linked him to the offences he is charged with.
As the LE continue to search in a very narrow area and that no one else has been arrested this would lead me to believe that LE think LS has just wondered off and maybe fallen out of sight and the cold weather has unfortunately led to something unthinkable happening. The authorities are still saying it is a missing persons investigation and that it obviously what the evidence is leading them to believe and not abduction or worse.

I don't think the police would have been able to arrest PR on suspicion of abduction and question him for 96 hours, unless they had some evidence that linked him to Libby. The police need "probable cause" for the initial arrest and then court approval to keep the suspect in custody for further questioning in relation to the arrest. Remember, they didn't arrest him on suspicion of any of those other offences, they arrested him on suspicion of abduction. That's very specific and suggests they knew very well he had Libby in his car. PR told his sister that he stopped to assist Libby that night. I think it's very likely that the CCTV footage was evidence of their interaction and this lead to his arrest. The police have then looked closely at PR, his belongings, his phone and they've linked him to many sexually motivated crimes in the area, and have found sufficient evidence to charge. I think the police will always refer to cases like this as a "missing persons investigation" until the missing person is found, or until they have evidence that points to murder.

 

[wtiger]

My theory is that the burglaries were reported at the time BUT the householder (through embarassment) neglected to mention the stolen sex toys.
Then upon hearing of this guys arrest perhaps then feel that its time to tell the police about what they had under their bed.

The striking thing here is that obviously the linking factor with his targets appears to be that they are houses containing a young (ish) female

This would not be the natural choice of property for a conventional burglar....they prefer elderly inhabitants or better still unoccupied properties.

I get the strong impression that creeping around in the dead of night looking for his kicks.

The most disturbing thing for me here is that assuming that the burglary charges are due to items being found in his home....<modsnipped no link to substantiate> <modsnipped unnecessary comment>


There is also another unmentioned angle to look at here...A man from a household with 2 wages coming in...feeling the need to burgle and steal?
Could he like many others in his situation be using stimulants such as cocaine or amphetamines?
These would account for a need for money and would also answer for his late hours....sleeping is not really an option with such drugs.
Also in some cases stimulants have been known to increase sex drive,although the most common reason for using these drugs would be to sustain working long hours and flagging energy levels

The final observation is that burglary is quite often a 2 or 3 man team event.
This does not fit with a lone weirdo creeping around stealing underwear!

So IF he has been committing burglaries on his own, then he is further along the road of offending than initially looked likely....
Committing lone burglary of a property takes "balls" for want of a better term..
Not an entry level crime by any measure

 

[margarita25]

That is not evidence it is hearsay.

I would say this could be considered valuable witness information and testimony, but I’m not a Lawyer, maybe it could be considered hearsay?

I’m going to summon our fabulous Verified Professional attorney @gitana1, not sure if she’s available at the moment to possibly weigh in.

(Might as well summon all the lawyers I know here off the top of my head:
@Alethea, @PrairieWind
@Hraefn, @Mercedes
who else is a lawyer here, don’t know any UK lawyers I don’t think.. )

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Yes he did. He told his sister he gave her a lift.

Well, in honesty, we only have HER word for that. And she could just as easily said it to somehow feel she was protecting him.

 

[Griffinlay]

OH MY GOD. I've just been out shopping so got 100 messages to read so don't know if this has been mentioned, so sorry if it has.

I've just been talking to my partner and realised something...

WHY would PR put Libby's address in the SatNav when clearly he knows where Wellesley is because he was literally masturbating on Wellesley only a few days earlier?? Did he do it on purpose just to make it look like he was going to take her home but he didn't? He KNEW where Wellesley is!

We don’t know he did. It’s just rumour not evidence.