Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #6 *ARREST*

[Ched]

Someone posted that info on here a while ago I think. They said they were a local and people around the area said they heard that she had cut herself and was lying on the floor. There was no link to any msm reports so it must have been a local rumour. Also if she had been in that situation the person that pulled over would have called an ambulance I think

Can we find this within our threads when it was first posted to see if any MSM links or establish its gossip ?

 

[Steve0000]

The 15 minutes of screams came from the park, which was probably otherwise deserted at that time of night. The man who heard them then saw a man dressed very lightly given the cold - consistent with the CCTV guy - running away.

I know it adds up, or at least appears to. But both of those things can occur simultaneously and be totally unrelated. The park was deserted but it's still close to a busy area. I just don't recall cases in which an attacker would allow themselves so easily to be caught by their victim screaming for 15 minutes. That's enough time for the police to show up and catch you in the act. They would usually threaten to harm someone to silence them in those cases.

 

[suzyjackson]

Someone posted that info on here a while ago I think. They said they were a local and people around the area said they heard that she had cut herself and was lying on the floor. There was no link to any msm reports so it must have been a local rumour. Also if she had been in that situation the person that pulled over would have called an ambulance I think

I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't call an ambulance in this situation, am I in a minority? If someone couldn't get themselves up or obviously had major injuries maybe I would but tbh I couldn't swear that I would, you'd really need to be a good samaritan to do that, imo most people probably wouldn't even stop to check and a lone man out at midnight is going to be wary of getting involved to help an incapable young woman and tbh I can't necessarily blame them

JMO

 

[suzyjackson]

Can we find this within our threads when it was first posted to see if any MSM links or establish its gossip ?

Pretty sure there are no links, this is the 2nd time I've asked and none has been provided

 

[PaddyOreally?]

I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't call an ambulance in this situation, am I in a minority? If someone couldn't get themselves up or obviously had major injuries maybe I would but tbh I couldn't swear that I would, you'd really need to be a good samaritan to do that, imo most people probably wouldn't even stop to check and a lone man out at midnight is going to be wary of getting involved to help an incapable young woman and tbh I can't necessarily blame them

JMO

I personally would just incase they had cut their wrists or something. But everyone's different.

 

[Griffinlay]

I wonder if the police are actually in the park looking for something of his.
Let’s say his sister was correct when she said he put LS address in his sat nav. Maybe he used google maps or similar on his phone rather than a tom tom or garmin.
If he did take LS to the park and something went wrong, maybe he tried it on with her or flashed at her, maybe she ran off screaming and he panicked. He may have thought if she went to the police they could prove he had picked her up as he had her address in his phone so he threw it in the pond or the undergrowth.
When he was arrested the police would have asked him for his phone and he would say he lost it. If the police contacted his service provider they could tell the police when it was last used and the last known location.
Maybe they are looking for the phone not LS. Finding it could prove very valuable.

 

[suzyjackson]

The 15 minutes of screams came from the park, which was probably otherwise deserted at that time of night. The man who heard them then saw a man dressed very lightly given the cold - consistent with the CCTV guy - running away.

BBM - now my interpretation was a little different - I took it to mean that there was 8 or 9 screams over an elapsed time of 15 minutes rather than constant screaming so a couple of minutes between each one, not necessarily telling us anything but it would be good to have some more detail on these screams

 

[PeachUK]

My partner who is a solicitor has said when March 11th comes around, PR will most likely be released on bail or get a suspended sentence, especially if he has no previous criminal record.

Like I’ve said previously, I really don’t think PR is responsible for the whereabouts of Libby.

Does anyone know if there’s any find Libby Facebook groups set up? I can’t find anything.

I can only find this one

https://www.facebook.com/groups/302862740579624/

 

[Chester]

Burglars are generally very cautious, whenever they enter a property their first thought is how they will exit if they need to do so in a hurry. They are risk averse and want to avoid confrontation at all costs.

The type of burglary that PR has been charged with is an even more risk averse category. He has not been accused of breaking and entering, he has been accused of entering properties through open doors or windows. This indicates some form of planning and a methodical approach. Probably watching properties to ensure they are unoccupied before attempting entry. This is very low risk stuff.

Bearing this in mind, had someone like this taken LS to a park for whatever reason, the moment there was a scream (if it was her, which I am really not convinced is the case) then he would have been gone like the wind.

 

[suzyjackson]

I personally would just incase they had cut their wrists or something. But everyone's different.

They are indeed, I suppose it depends on your own experiences, I've seen so many drunk young people falling over and getting up and carrying on that I wouldn't think anything of it, I've lived in two different university towns and never seen anyone that I thought was worth an ambulance call.

 

[yoyo1]

I agree but this part:

When the driver who stopped to ask her if she needed help it is reported that she had falled of the bench and was sitting or lying in the snow

Is that in the reports? I didn't see that there? I haven't seen a clear explanation as to what distressed meant as it could mean falling on the floor to crying with her head in her hands.

Sadly it's the misconception that older men offering help are the creepy ones to watch out for when 9 times out of 10 it's the younger ones that are the danger.

+ replying to stella8 and ched.
I will have a rummage through my history and see if i can find a reference altho it might be as PaddyOreally? states that it was word of mouth on here.
Anyway point is that she very well could have been paralytic , falling over , totally out of it. And PR in a very kindly way helps her to his car. And then drives her to the park car park. She might be semi conscious at this point.

 

[LillyGrace]

I can only find this one
For those who can’t find it
https://www.facebook.com/groups/302862740579624/

I’ve requested to join that group but I think it’s just for family and friends as there’s only 500 members?

 

[LillyGrace]

How many people think Libby will be found safe and well? How many think she’ll never be found? Just really curious as to what other peoples views are..

In the early days of this case, I had high hopes Libby would be found alive and well.. but as the days go on, I am more and more inclined to believe she is in the water and may never be recovered.

 

[Deufin]

I personally think people are reading a bit too much into the supposed screams.

I’d look at them a bit differently if there were different people able to corroborate them, which the police might well have found.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Nope

Really? I was reading about burglary sentencing and there's different categories, 1, 2 and 3 depending on factors like distress to the victim, whether it was planned.

Then there is the totality of the offences, I know hardly anyone gets sent to prison these days ( budget constraints) but I bet they'll wangle something together in this case.

 

[PeachUK]

I’ve requested to join that group but I think it’s just for family and friends as there’s only 500 members?

No, it’s for anyone as I understand it but it’s hard to find in searches so I don’t think it’s well known particularly, hence the numbers

 

[Chester]

Really? I was reading about burglary sentencing and there's different categories, 1, 2 and 3 depending on factors like distress to the victim, whether it was planned.

Then there is the totality of the offences, I know hardly anyone gets sent to prison these days ( budget constraints) but I bet they'll wangle something together in this case.

The nope was mainly about the toting up process, they won't count it up like they would if he had previously been found guilty of various offences.

If he pleads guilty and shows remorse it's extremely unlikely he will do any time over and above the time he will have spent on remand.

Even if he pushes it all the way to trial and is found guilty the sentencing is unlikely to be heavy.

 

[ly502]

Really? I was reading about burglary sentencing and there's different categories, 1, 2 and 3 depending on factors like distress to the victim, whether it was planned.

Then there is the totality of the offences, I know hardly anyone gets sent to prison these days ( budget constraints) but I bet they'll wangle something together in this case.

Perhaps LE will release more information to the public as we approach March 11th so they can hopefully gather more information that will allow them to impose a sentence at least - show that he is a danger to the public? Even if it is just more information about his indecent behavior. I just want him behind bars until there is some decisive evidence that he is either related or unrelated to LS. And also because, even if he is not involved with LS's disappearance, he is likely to reoffend.

 

[Chester]

How many people think Libby will be found safe and well? How many think she’ll never be found? Just really curious as to what other peoples views are..

In the early days of this case, I had high hopes Libby would be found alive and well.. but as the days go on, I am more and more inclined to believe she is in the water and may never be recovered.

Extremely unlikely.

Unless you watch a lot of 'Criminal Minds' in which case she is currently being held captive in some remote farm outhouse etc.

Back to reality.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Does anyone have a theory that is just so far out there it would be statistically almost impossible, and yet their mind keeps coming back to it? I’m just curious.