Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #7 *ARREST*

[Joolz1975]

That I have been banging on about from the beginning (cough).

Credit to you.. you have.

I drift in and out off this way of thinking.

I just can't see a flashing, sex toy pinching pervert thinking anything other than depraved thoughts when he sees a drink young woman sat on a bench late at night alone.

I'm not saying he set out to murder her but let's be honest if she was as drunk as we are assuming was she capable of consenting anyway??

To me that reads as if she accepts a lift from a stranger she is leading him on....I know you don't mean it that way but it doesn't sit comfortable with me.

It's almost like a form of victim blaming....she didn't like something he did, ran off and fell in a river. Still makes him guilty in my eyes.

I think he was stepping up from his public masturbating and thought she was a good option to try a full on assault.

I wouldn't be surprised if more charges are heading his way too.

 

[Amonet]

I did think this too - a few people have stated they think he passenger is wearing knee high boots - maybe he picked up a local ‘night worker??’

I'm like others who see something different each time I watch it, but I now think it was a woman with bare legs, and as she sat I thought I could see a skirt the length of Libby's and also a jacket that looked about the same length. I think the impression of long boots or trousers is possibly just shadows.

Initially I thought I could see the person get in the car, look over toward the driver's seat and long straight hair flick around as the head turned. I can't see that any more, so I don't know that I trust any of my impressions of it.

The driver looks to have on one white trainer with no socks or short white socks, and on the other foot a dark shoe and a dark mid-calf length sock...both aren't correct, but which is it? Often cameras like that can make white things look dark and vice versa, and people wearing trousers can appear bare-legged.

 

[truthfinder34]

Exactly this! Everyone on here were convinced with the Corrie Mckeague case that the police knew far more than was made public and the case would jeopardised if they revealed too much information.

i didn't follow this case. How did the family react , did they do their own searches? I'm only asking because I keep thinking the police have nothing and searches are few and far between. If my child was missing id be making sure every inch was searched and if ithought the police weren't doing this is be organising my own. That makes me think Libbys parents and the police know more.

 

[Ched]

Can local people form a massive group to walk the park now or do you have to have police permission?

 

[Jody70]

Credit to you.. you have.

I drift in and out off this way of thinking.

I just can't see a flashing, sex toy pinching pervert thinking anything other than depraved thoughts when he sees a drink young woman sat on a bench late at night alone.

I'm not saying he set out to murder her but let's be honest if she was as drunk as we are assuming was she capable of consenting anyway??

To me that reads as if she accepts a lift from a stranger she is leading him on....I know you don't mean it that way but it doesn't sit comfortable with me.

It's almost like a form of victim blaming....she didn't like something he did, ran off and fell in a river. Still makes him guilty in my eyes.

I think he was stepping up from his public masturbating and thought she was a good option to try a full on assault.

I wouldn't be surprised if more charges are heading his way too.

This is the most logical explanation yet based on the few things we do know

 

[Joolz1975]

i didn't follow this case. How did the family react , did they do their own searches? I'm only asking because I keep thinking the police have nothing and searches are few and far between. If my child was missing id be making sure every inch was searched and if ithought the police weren't doing this is be organising my own. That makes me think Libbys parents and the police know more.

The Corrie case was a bit out there. I didn't follow it on here though I was on another group.

To be honest i disconnected from it after a while as some of the theories were plain ridiculous.

Others will remember more.

His mum especially was very vocal in the media.

I think the police did their best as I'm sure they always do.

 

[Quintet]

Did you notice the CCTV camera in Haworth? (The cobweb CCTV)?

She wouldn't go home, she didn't have a key, unless he offered to break in for her.[/QUOT

Did you notice the CCTV camera in Haworth? (The cobweb CCTV)?

She wouldn't go home, she didn't have a key, unless he offered to break in for her.

Oh God its the Corrie case all over again. But good call!

Can you tell us where these dogging sites are please?

Hmmm..will anyone reply...

 

[BarkingRosebud]

New story in Hull Live, I always thought/ assumed the grey haired bearded man spotted LS in the bench? This suggests she wasn’t on the bench when he spoke to her?​

 

[porkypies]

The thing about trafficking is that it will typically involve vulnerable people rather than middle class Uni students

So for example

- homeless, or people with substance abuse problems
- people with mental disabilities
- children
- other vulnerable people

A significant % of other, is vulnerable foreigners who may be in the UK illegally. So for example, girls from eastern europe, asia, or africa trafficked into the sex industry or made to work in slave conditions because their passports have been taken.

It's obviously difficult to traffick a 21 year old middle class English uni student who will simply contact police as soon as she can

So I don't dispute that it is a significant issue in the UK. But I doubt it is relevant to the case.

If PR is a flasher or 'outrager of public decency' he would be a complete liability to any organised crime group, for the simple reason that the above crimes are committed by men who display themselves and their identity completely to their victims and anyone else who happens by, they are too driven and obsessed with performing their theatrics to care about ever being recognised or caught, they don't even wear masks. All PR's alleged crimes are committed among his neighbours and in nearby area which is part of the thrill and even more risky. I was 'victimised' as a teenager by such another teenager who was my next door neighbour and my 'friend' until he started flashing at me from his bedroom window and peeping in the back window of our house in the early hours.
I have known other flashers too, always in daylight, and none ever attempted in any way to hide their identity. You would not want them in your crime-gang.

 

[Steleheart]

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New story in Hull Live, I always thought/ assumed the grey haired bearded man spotted LS in the bench? This suggests she wasn’t on the bench when he spoke to her?​

Isn't the bench across that intersection @ corner of Haworth?

Google Maps

 

[Winterbells]

I have just returned from paying a visit to Hull. I find seeing things in person easier to get them in perspective. Four places we wanted to have a look at.

We approached Wellesley Avenue first, its very compact lots of cars on either side of the road. I’m not sure exactly which house Libby lived at but at most it would take 5 minutes walk to get to the bench off the Main Street.

We then noticed the bench Libby was sat at on the main road. It’s heavily busy here with traffic and takeaways/business’ flank Beverley road and also Cottingham road. This, along with the bus lane cameras I can see how the police must have a lot more CCTV than we are seeing. We then turned into Haworth street and went to the very end, positioned correctly it provides an unobstructed view of the bench. Also the cars in this street are heavily in numbers either side, you have to drive careful as there is not much space. You don’t drive off at the speed the car did on the CCTV if you aren’t up to something.

Thirdly, we approached Raglan Street where the house of interest still remained boarded up with the metal sheet.

It’s worth noting how deceiving the distance between Wellesley street and Raglan street is. It would take between 10 to 15 minutes walk depending on fitness level. Much closer than I detected going off maps.

Finally, we approached the Oak Road playing fields. A slight chill felt in my spine as imagine a scene with them both in the car, Libby expecting a left turn into her street but instead he drives on forward to the park. From that junction at the speed limit it took me a minute to reach the park. At this stage my partner with me felt very uneasy at the area and wanted to leave. I must admit it looks very intimidating at dark and covered in areas.

Notes:

Why would Libby want a ride home back to her house as quoted by PR sister? It doesn’t make sense it’s 2-5 minute walk around the corner from the bench. She’s practically there already.

I also was worried about the possibility of PR moving “anything” on the way to his work route. But I’m less inclined to believe that now with the police actions and also that the area immediately leaving hull from Wellesley is heavily armed with cameras/speed cameras.

I found this very helpful and thank you both for doing it.
I'm interested to hear that it is possible to see the bench if parked strategically at the end of Haworth Street (presumably on the double yellow lines).

 

[Joolz1975]

If PR is a flasher or 'outrager of public decency' he would be a complete liability to any organised crime group, for the simple reason that the above crimes are committed by men who display themselves and their identity completely to their victims and anyone else who happens by, they are too driven and obsessed with performing their theatrics to care about ever being recognised or caught, they don't even wear masks. All PR's alleged crimes are committed among his neighbours and in nearby area which is part of the thrill and even more risky. I was 'victimised' as a teenager by such another teenager who was my next door neighbour and my 'friend' until he started flashing at me from his bedroom window and peeping in the back window of our house in the early hours.
I have known other flashers too, always in daylight, and none ever attempted in any way to hide their identity. You would not want them in your crime-gang.

I agree.

I was flashed at when younger still remember his face and the noise he made (ugh).

He would be a complete liability to any gang of criminals.

 

[porkypies]

I have never felt the cold after large amount of alcohol no matter what the weather or temperature

I think that's part of the problem, the alcohol dilates blood vessels which then lose heat on all the extremities of your body, e.g. hands and feet feel warm because they are radiating all your body heat away, meanwhile, your innards are starting to get way too cold, and eventually you collapse.

 

[Steleheart]

I found this very helpful and thank you both for doing it.
I'm interested to hear that it is possible to see the bench if parked strategically at the end of Haworth Street (presumably on the double yellow lines).

Just going by Googly even at the end of the street I can see the corner but not the bench. At the blue gate where the cctv dude was parked it doesn't seem possible.
Google Maps

 

[BarkingRosebud]

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New story in Hull Live, I always thought/ assumed the grey haired bearded man spotted LS in the bench? This suggests she wasn’t on the bench when he spoke to her?​

Yes it is but if he spoke to her at the bench why not mention the bench specifically or refer to Haworth as it was in that side if the road? It’s significant in a way because it could mean the silver Astra parked up before she was even at the bench rather than seen her on the bench and pulled into side street to think what to do eg. Pulled up there to go to the takeaway place opposite and a few shops along from the bench and purely coincidentally he was presented with the opportunity therefore needing that time to have a cig/ text before offering her a lift.

 

[Winterbells]

I’m finding it sad that people don’t think the Police are the people best trained specifically to do this and think they are more capable of solving the crimes than the Police are.
Yes the public can help re enquiries, but without any clues trying to solve a case by pure speculation by visiting the supposed scene of the crime to spot what Police have missed, seems to me strange.
People claiming the Police can’t do their job because Libby hasn’t been found yet not knowing how hard they are working behind the scenes is saddening.

I'm touched by your faith in the police, but they interviewed Peter Sutcliffe god knows how many times, failed to spot that Tia Sharpe was in the loft of her grandmother's house, twice, despite the sniffer dogs desperately trying to 'point' upwards... I could go on.

 

[Joolz1975]

The corner of Beverley Road/Beresford avenue, is that where the hammer and screwdriver that are said to be unrelated were found? Or am I thinking somewhere else?

 

[Steleheart]

The corner of Beverley Road/Beresford avenue, is that where the hammer and screwdriver that are said to be unrelated were found? Or am I thinking somewhere else?

It was in those shrubs on Beresford near the corner of Beverly. There was a pic of the hammer and the CSI guys looking there.

 

[Winterbells]

Just going by Googly even at the end of the street I can see the corner but not the bench. At the blue gate where the cctv dude was parked it doesn't seem possible.
Google Maps

That's what I thought, too... i.e. you can see the corner, but not the bench.

 

[Ched]

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New story in Hull Live, I always thought/ assumed the grey haired bearded man spotted LS in the bench? This suggests she wasn’t on the bench when he spoke to her?​

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