Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #9 *ARREST*

[Newthoughts]

I've been following for a while and just wanted to comment on the things being said.

I don't think Libby would have known the suspect. Either from the gym or elsewhere. Nor do I think he'd be stalking her specially because it looks like a series of tragic mishaps that led to their paths crossing. However I do think she'd have trusted him because he looks harmless and she was drunk, probably scared, probably starting to feel the cold, possibly a bit disorientated and lost. He'd have looked like a good Samaritan especially if he claimed to be a taxi.

I do think it's worth looking at his previous crimes. The last happened days before she went missing. One paper said a student house five minutes away from his home. As well as the normal stuff people steal he stole photos, knickers and sex toys. If it was a student house those photos will probably have been stuck on walls which would take time. Plus I guess he'd need to look for sex toys. They're not lying around like lap tops. That shows a lot of confidence that nobody would come home and what the occupants were like. That suggests a lot of planning rather than opportunism.

So I wonder had he decided and planned to snatch someone and Libby was the unfortunate first opportunity. She hasn't been found yet. An opportunist wouldn't have been that good at hiding a body. Plus sometime between her going missing and his arrest he managed to call his sister and give her some pre prepared reason for Libby's dna and address to be in his car.

The police also says grey beard had been "very helpful". Did he just stop to help because she looked distressed or because he was concerned about someone or something suspicious such as someone driving around in the vicinity? Could he have alerted the police to PRs car?

Is it worth looking to his previous crimes for clues

 

[scootermuppet]

Hi, I've followed this blog since Libby was reported missing. I agree with Martenwearer's theory - the runner knew the cyclist.

Trouble with this area (I drive each day along Clough Rd as we live near by) and the Bingo carpark is another haunt for guys in cars parking up as is the darker rear carpark near where we see the cctv. Dealing goes on a lot here. This morning walking through the park again a group of 15 or so students near the pond smoking and it’s very obvious not tobacco. I’m not diffusing any theories here but the landscape and night/student/boy racer culture in this area like any other area is very much alive after dark. Because of my particular job I am driving Clough Rd after midnight and it’s not exactly isolated if you know what I mean.

 

[truthfinder34]

I've been following for a while and just wanted to comment on the things being said.

I don't think Libby would have known the suspect. Either from the gym or elsewhere. Nor do I think he'd be stalking her specially because it looks like a series of tragic mishaps that led to their paths crossing. However I do think she'd have trusted him because he looks harmless and she was drunk, probably scared, probably starting to feel the cold, possibly a bit disorientated and lost. He'd have looked like a good Samaritan especially if he claimed to be a taxi.

I do think it's worth looking at his previous crimes. The last happened days before she went missing. One paper said a student house five minutes away from his home. As well as the normal stuff people steal he stole photos, knickers and sex toys. If it was a student house those photos will probably have been stuck on walls which would take time. Plus I guess he'd need to look for sex toys. They're not lying around like lap tops. That shows a lot of confidence that nobody would come home and what the occupants were like. That suggests a lot of planning rather than opportunism.

So I wonder had he decided and planned to snatch someone and Libby was the unfortunate first opportunity. She hasn't been found yet. An opportunist wouldn't have been that good at hiding a body. Plus sometime between her going missing and his arrest he managed to call his sister and give her some pre prepared reason for Libby's dna and address to be in his car.

The police also says grey beard had been "very helpful". Did he just stop to help because she looked distressed or because he was concerned about someone or something suspicious such as someone driving around in the vicinity? Could he have alerted the police to PRs car?

Is it worth looking to his previous crimes for clues

I'm thinking along the same lines as you. i think the cyclist may have scared libby so PR can jump in and save the day. I think the two are working together. I know hull has a lot of cyclists but for a cyclist dressed in dark clothing ( wouldnt they have reflective garments of some description?!) to appear twice in two cctv videos it's not a coincidence in my opinion.

 

[Miss_French]

I'm thinking along the same lines as you. i think the cyclist may have scared libby so PR can jump in and save the day. I think the two are working together. I know hull has a lot of cyclists but for a cyclist dressed in dark clothing ( wouldnt they have reflective garments of some description?!) to appear twice in two cctv videos it's not a coincidence in my opinion.

Anywhere there are cyclists you will see some without anything for their safety or that of other people; no bells, no helmets, no reflective clothing, no lights..and absolutely no road sense.

 

[jamjim]

Anywhere there are cyclists you will see some without anything for their safety or that of other people; no bells, no helmets, no reflective clothing, no lights..and absolutely no road sense.

Agreed. I've seen so many cyclists in my area riding around in the pitch black wearing all black clothing, with no lights!

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I'm thinking along the same lines as you. i think the cyclist may have scared libby so PR can jump in and save the day. I think the two are working together. I know hull has a lot of cyclists but for a cyclist dressed in dark clothing ( wouldnt they have reflective garments of some description?!) to appear twice in two cctv videos it's not a coincidence in my opinion.

I can see what you mean TF. However, I think SM and others have put it delicately above. These guys on the cctv are nothing unusual, same as unlicenced cabs, pissed students staggering around, dodgy dealing going on, hoodies, several phones etc etc etc ( even sex assaults and burglaries etc). Its a Cityscape, Northern, Industrial and an area of students and reasonably large Eastern European and other communities.

I think we may be overlaying a layer of civility , a more conventional experience, onto people and places.

Crudely,Its stranger that the guy on the bike is not smoking something and carrying a bag of nicked shed items than him not wearing hi-vis cycling gear.

(Eta..this post isnt meant to be as pompous and condecending as it reads!)

 

[Quintet]

Do you Hull guys call Newland Ave the “Avenue” or is that somewhere else? I know there’s The Avenues, just not sure of “The Avenue”?

 

[OrlandoJames]

There is nothing unusual about cyclists dressed in dark clothing appearing in two different CCTV clips. I don't think anything can be read into it.

 

[Little Nicki]

Do you Hull guys call Newland Ave the “Avenue” or is that somewhere else? I know there’s The Avenues, just not sure of “The Avenue”?

There is an area called The Avenues which comprises of several 'Avenues', Newland, Princes and Chanterlands being some of them.

 

[Pinkizzy]

I've been following for a while and just wanted to comment on the things being said.

I don't think Libby would have known the suspect. Either from the gym or elsewhere. Nor do I think he'd be stalking her specially because it looks like a series of tragic mishaps that led to their paths crossing. However I do think she'd have trusted him because he looks harmless and she was drunk, probably scared, probably starting to feel the cold, possibly a bit disorientated and lost. He'd have looked like a good Samaritan especially if he claimed to be a taxi.

I do think it's worth looking at his previous crimes. The last happened days before she went missing. One paper said a student house five minutes away from his home. As well as the normal stuff people steal he stole photos, knickers and sex toys. If it was a student house those photos will probably have been stuck on walls which would take time. Plus I guess he'd need to look for sex toys. They're not lying around like lap tops. That shows a lot of confidence that nobody would come home and what the occupants were like. That suggests a lot of planning rather than opportunism.

So I wonder had he decided and planned to snatch someone and Libby was the unfortunate first opportunity. She hasn't been found yet. An opportunist wouldn't have been that good at hiding a body. Plus sometime between her going missing and his arrest he managed to call his sister and give her some pre prepared reason for Libby's dna and address to be in his car.

The police also says grey beard had been "very helpful". Did he just stop to help because she looked distressed or because he was concerned about someone or something suspicious such as someone driving around in the vicinity? Could he have alerted the police to PRs car?

Is it worth looking to his previous crimes for clues

Do you know grey beard's name?

 

[Newthoughts]

With or without the cyclist I still wonder, given the very odd burglary could have been planned, whether everything up to the disappearance was just a series of tragic mishaps for Libby and everything after could have been premeditated and planned by PR. I can't help thinking that if it hadn't been Libby that night it would have been someone else soon. Could that explain the police timeline?

 

[truthfinder34]

apart from the fact that the cyclist hasn't come forward or been ruled out by the police?!

 

[Quintet]

There is an area called The Avenues which comprises of several 'Avenues', Newland, Princes and Chanterlands being some of them.

Yes, I know the Avenues.

Just wondered if someone was to mention “The Avenue” whilst let’s say talking about Beverley Road, so presumably in the vicinity, which is it likely to be? Out of interest.

 

[Newthoughts]

All anyone knows about grey beard is that the police made clear he wasn't a suspect and that he'd been very helpful. That's what made me wonder had he mentioned anything suspicious like a car

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

With or without the cyclist I still wonder, given the very odd burglary could have been planned, whether everything up to the disappearance was just a series of tragic mishaps for Libby and everything after could have been premeditated and planned by PR. I can't help thinking that if it hadn't been Libby that night it would have been someone else soon. Could that explain the police timeline?

Its an interesting thought NT. Obv he cant have formalised any plans otherwise LE will have found them and prob be enough for at least the abduction charge to stick?

 

[Cherwell]

There is nothing unusual about cyclists dressed in dark clothing appearing in two different CCTV clips. I don't think anything can be read into it.

I agree. Trying to link the very few scraps we've been shown is like trying to do a 500 piece jigsaw when you only have a dozen pieces. It's like the way people jumped on the student in the blue jacket, trying to read something sinister into him.

 

[Handsoff]

The Avenue is a pub on Chanterlands Avenue

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

With or without the cyclist I still wonder, given the very odd burglary could have been planned, whether everything up to the disappearance was just a series of tragic mishaps for Libby and everything after could have been premeditated and planned by PR. I can't help thinking that if it hadn't been Libby that night it would have been someone else soon. Could that explain the police timeline?

Newthoughts' post that Im replying to. ^^^^^^

I guess we are looking here for an explanation of how LS has seemingly disappeared without trace and noone other than ,or even inc,LE have evidence of wrongdoing or of criminal activity or a body ? Esp given PR is seen as opportunistic and careless. I think your idea is unlikely but cert worth consideration

 

[truthfinder34]

We are all entitled to our opinion and theory and given the peices of the jigsaw I've seen this is mine. It's fine that you don't agree with me but surely given the very little information we have been given you can't 100% say I could be wrong.

 

[Cherwell]

apart from the fact that the cyclist hasn't come forward or been ruled out by the police?!

Not sure which one you mean, but we don't know they haven't contacted the police. They may have done by now. Even if only to say, "That was me, but I didn't notice anything unusual."