VERDICT WATCH UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, found deceased, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #24

[Catsarse]

I have the emergency sos, hopefully never need it but worth having. Another good one is the what three words app-great for emergency services to trace you or loved ones or to send info if say, your car broke down etc

Someone local bless her died on a woodland walk and the emergency services struggled to find them. Her family asked everyone when possible to use the w3w app. Sorry a bit off topic.

Also I agree on some cctv, would be great to start seeing some good quality good value cctv available to all. So pleased spidercam picked him up and his distinctive jeans.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

How interesting! There are a few of us here that are big fans of Patricia Wiltshire, if you've heard of her. From Wiki:

Professor Patricia Wiltshire is a forensic ecologist, botanist and palynologist.[1] She has been consulted by police forces and industry in almost 300 investigations in several countries[2] and has been instrumental in solving several high-profile crimes, including the killing of Sarah Payne, Millie Dowler, the cold case of Christopher Laverack, the Soham murders, and the Ipswich serial murders.[3]

Yes, @CoverMeCagney I believe this is who some of us tweeted! Am I correct?

 

[HLC35]

How interesting! There are a few of us here that are big fans of Patricia Wiltshire, if you've heard of her.

Ooh I haven’t, thank you; I’ll check her out!

 

[HLC35]

How interesting! There are a few of us here that are big fans of Patricia Wiltshire, if you've heard of her. From Wiki:

Professor Patricia Wiltshire is a forensic ecologist, botanist and palynologist.[1] She has been consulted by police forces and industry in almost 300 investigations in several countries[2] and has been instrumental in solving several high-profile crimes, including the killing of Sarah Payne, Millie Dowler, the cold case of Christopher Laverack, the Soham murders, and the Ipswich serial murders.[3]

Thank you! How interesting. I’m sure my sister must have heard of her. Interestingly, I’m from Ipswich; remember the Steve Wright murders and being terrified to go out vividly. I worked for the county council at the time, whose hq was just round the corner from the sex workers’ area, and we were all issued with rape alarms. The only road to Felixstowe (coast) from Ipswich passes the areas they were found, and can pass where he lived too. Very chilling passing this, and now with my girls in the car. Really shook our little town. As the tragic death of Libby will always be remembered by so many in Hull, as well as us further afield.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I read about an app earlier, it sounds amazing!

• You open the app if you're feeling scared
• Shake your phone - tracks your GPS, sends an alert plus audio and visual recording to nominated contacts.
• Shake it again to set off an alarm and flashing lights.

Hollie Guard Personal Safety APP

 

[Steve2021]

..Part of me wonders did he suggest they go into the park and she obliged. When they first met he would have seemed like a gentleman, and the light dusting of snow meant the park didn’t look dark or scary that night. In fact it may have seemed appealing although I understand she was cold. The witnesses didn’t hear screams on oak road which probably would have happened if there was a struggle and LS did chose to not go home, possibly because she didn’t want her night to end after being rejected from the nightclub. An offer such as a few of my friends are hanging out by the boathouse for example may have been a tempting offer at the time. Also it was known as a hangout area which is why one of the witnesses didn’t call the police when he heard the screams.

You could well be right. I think it is very much more likely than not that he took her into the park and he could well have coaxed her in, in not dissimilar manner to that used to get her into his car. I just don't believe him saying it happened by the green shed, firstly because I'm sure he's hiding something, and second because when there's a park right there why would he risk being seen assaulting her outside it. Add onto that a man was seen in the park.

I think she ended up in the river at her own hand but I don't necessarily think it as suicide. More likely distress, delirium, incoherence and trauma leading to a nasty accident or a spilt second decision to put herself in.

Edited to clarify - what I mean is I don't think she went to the river intending to kill herself. I think it's possible that she stumbled there in her terrible state and either fell in or made a split second decision that the river was a better option than dealing with what happened to her.

If this is what happened it is so desperately sad, as I read it I thought it likely the saddest of all the scenarios, unimaginably difficult for her loved ones to come to terms with.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I have the emergency sos, hopefully never need it but worth having. Another good one is the what three words app-great for emergency services to trace you or loved ones or to send info if say, your car broke down etc

Someone local bless her died on a woodland walk and the emergency services struggled to find them. Her family asked everyone when possible to use the w3w app. Sorry a bit off topic.

Also I agree on some cctv, would be great to start seeing some good quality good value cctv available to all. So pleased spidercam picked him up and his distinctive jeans.

My cousin's car broke down on a country lane at night, she knew roughly where she was but not exactly. No phone signal. She waited a while, hoping a nice person would pass but nobody did so eventually she rang 999 who told her to download What3Words, and the police then passed the words to roadside rescue who found her really quickly.

Some of these safety apps are so clever. I have the W3W one, and think I'll add the Hollie one to my kids' phones.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Yes, @CoverMeCagney I believe this is who some of us tweeted! Am I correct?

Yes! I think we wondered if Libby ingested soil/sediment/reeds or whatever from that part of the river.

 

[Dotta]

No Websleuths members will ever go missing we’re all petrified from this forum haha

I still remember your post about a landlord whom you mistook for a burglar. Ha ha ha I would like to see the poor man's face when you confronted him with a camera. I'm stil giggling I hope he gave you a discount in rent for being so vigilant!

 

[ChiCubs2016]

Yes! I think we wondered if Libby ingested soil/sediment/reeds or whatever from that part of the river.

Yes. Now I am remember more. You become more wise when you mature but also more forgetful!! Well I do anyway!

 

[HLC35]

My cousin's car broke down on a country lane at night, she knew roughly where she was but not exactly. No phone signal. She waited a while, hoping a nice person would pass but nobody did so eventually she rang 999 who told her to download What3Words, and the police then passed the words to roadside rescue who found her really quickly.

Some of these safety apps are so clever. I have the W3W one, and think I'll add the Hollie one to my kids' phones.

Thank you so much for sharing this, I’ve just downloaded it, will tell my friends and mum too.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Yes. Now I am remember more. You become more wise when you mature but also more forgetful!! Well I do anyway!

She brought a book out called Traces, which I am going to read soon, I'm so interested and in awe of her work. It would be fascinating to know if she ever got involved in Libby's case.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

She brought a book out called Traces, which I am going to read soon, I'm so interested and in awe of her work. It would be fascinating to know if she ever got involved in Libby's case.

I will look for the book!!

 

[Steve2021]

My cousin's car broke down on a country lane at night, she knew roughly where she was but not exactly. No phone signal. She waited a while, hoping a nice person would pass but nobody did so eventually she rang 999 who told her to download What3Words, and the police then passed the words to roadside rescue who found her really quickly.

Some of these safety apps are so clever. I have the W3W one, and think I'll add the Hollie one to my kids' phones.

At the risk of embarrassing myself if your cousin had no phone signal how could she dial 999

 

[C.greek]

At the risk of embarrassing myself if your cousin had no phone signal how could she dial 999

It's an emergency number - no need for signal i think

 

[Becky53]

I wonder for those who reported prior to Libby, were they told not to speak about it?
Also I think he’d have definitely flashed/masturbated at a lot more women and went unreported. I remember being about 13 in East Park and a few times getting flashed/masturbated at, as a group we shouted and laughed and jeered so if they were after the shock factor they didn’t get it. Now I’m a more mature lady (!) I honestly believe these type of crimes need to be taken so seriously from the off.

RSBM

11:17NATHAN STANDLEY
Relowicz would have had 'ample opportunity' to assault someone before - but didn't, defence says
Mr Saxby said: “As of February 1, 2019, Pawel Relowicz had been living in Hull for a number of years. For a large proportion of this time he had been living in or near Raglan Street, in a student area. His problem wouldn’t have suddenly appeared and he admits he has committed other acts of voyeurism not detected by police.

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[Bethan]

They're not confidential if deceased.
Information relating to a deceased person does not constitute personal data and therefore is not subject to the UK/EU GDPR. It only applies to information which relates to an identifiable living individual.

Actually I don´t think the above is correct regarding a doctor´s medical records.

I´ve taken these relevant points from the current GMC (General Medical Council) guidelines.

134. Your duty of confidentiality continues after a patient has died.

135. There are circumstances in which you must disclose relevant information about a patient who has died. For example:

a. when disclosure is required by law.

b. to help a coroner, procurator fiscal or other similar officer with an inquest or fatal accident inquiry
a coroner, procurator fiscal or other similar officer with an inquest or fatal accident inquiry

 

[CoverMeCagney]

At the risk of embarrassing myself if your cousin had no phone signal how could she dial 999

If you have no signal from your own network you can’t use your phone. However, 999 calls connect to whichever network has the nearest mast.

(she was really reluctant to dial 999, but literally couldn’t ring anyone else)

 

[tedtink]

At the risk of embarrassing myself if your cousin had no phone signal how could she dial 999

112 doesn't need a signal I don't think.
Don't know about 999

 

[tedtink]

Actually I don´t think the above is correct regarding a doctor´s medical records.

I´ve taken these relevant points from the current GMC (General Medical Council) guidelines.

134. Your duty of confidentiality continues after a patient has died.

135. There are circumstances in which you must disclose relevant information about a patient who has died. For example:

a. when disclosure is required by law.

b. to help a coroner, procurator fiscal or other similar officer with an inquest or fatal accident inquiry
a coroner, procurator fiscal or other similar officer with an inquest or fatal accident inquiry

Yes, the disclosure was required by Law.

I didn't mean that any member of the public could go and access anyone's medial records or data because someone happens to be dead, There's still a process involved.
The Doctor was the 'Data Holder' they were asked by Law to make the data public in the absence of Libby being able to grant permission because she was sadly, deceased.