GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, found deceased, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #25

[C.greek]

But they called the police the next day as far as I remember (so their memory was *fresh*). SA notified the police much later.

This says nothing at all. There are numerous reasons the student couple could have rung the police the next day. (One being that a fellow student had disappeared and the news in the student community travel faster). Their *fresh* memory was a general indication of a time, *about* 12.30. This is why i think the prosecution did not use them, because of credibility with their times, not because it indicated Libby screaming on her own after PR had raped her and left. Jmo

 

[HLC35]

I think he was disturbed by the vixen screaming and ran for it, it was a secluded spot and he had intended to stay a little longer. He knew people might be looking for her at that time and the screaming might bring them to the park, I don't think he had intended to have to go back later. It's possible that things went wrong for him that night. I also wonder now, if he himself does not know what killed her, he just went back and disposed of her, and that could have been luck on his side that there was no-one else there at 2.30am. and she was either dead or unconscious.

This is very good thinking. A fox scared him off at 12.18/19. Now this builds and joins a picture of ALL the evidence of screams and sightings. The fox returned/howled at 12.30...

 

[Ruthbullock]

To the left of your circle. The footage shows that big round blue silo thingummy before panning to the right.

I thought the lights seen flashing on that part of the footage was of his headlights as he unlocked the car (ie parked up to the carpark entrance)

There’s no lights, I can’t even tell what it is, it’s just arrows. I can’t see how you would be able to see the car lights from that point unless he parked his car facing towards the river, but even then that’s a lot of distance for car headlights- mine barely show a road corner a few metres ahead as I’m driving towards it with nothing else blocking the view.

 

[Becky53]

Did the prosecution dismiss the student timings?

They didn’t call them to the stand IIRC

 

[Ruthbullock]

This says nothing at all. There are numerous reasons the student couple could have rung the police the next day. (One being that a fellow student had disappeared and the news in the student community travel faster). Their *fresh* memory was a general indication of a time, *about* 12.30. This is why i think the prosecution did not use them, because of credibility with their times, not because it indicated Libby screaming on her own after PR had raped her and left. Jmo

It wasn’t common knowledge the next day that a student was missing- my friends daughter lived very very close to where PR picked up LS and was a student at the time (I posted about this before PR had even been taken into custody as my friend always parked her minibus where spidercam was, when visiting). It was only after PR was charged for his other crimes that they were told for the first time about being vigilant.
ETA it wasn’t “about”- she looked at her clock at 12.30, so they knew it was after that point.

 

[Tortoise]

They didn’t call them to the stand IIRC

The defence did though, but I haven't seen that their timing was challenged by the prosecution.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

We're back to where they could have been coming from. It depends if they came from the ORPF end. Maybe they didn't.

I can't remember if it was mentioned, but old Streetview shows several houses at that end of Oak Road. In satellite view they seem to have been demolished, at least the ones the far side of the Croda entrance. If they were there and inhabited two years ago, the couple could have come from there, so wouldn't have been near the ORPF. The only other thing I can think of is that they were coming off a work shift, perhaps cleaners at the Mecca, something like that.

They were definitely not coming from Mecca as that is AFTER the Croda footage. And those 4 houses weren’t there in 2019 as we’d have noticed them at the time, and the Croda boundary hasn’t changed since then.

They could only have come from Beresford Av or the park.

 

[NottReds50]

There’s no lights, I can’t even tell what it is, it’s just arrows. I can’t see how you would be able to see the car lights from that point unless he parked his car facing towards the river, but even then that’s a lot of distance for car headlights- mine barely show a road corner a few metres ahead as I’m driving towards it with nothing else blocking the view.

There are most definitely headlights and indicators in the video, but I can't make much else . You need to enlarge onto a laptop or TV probably.

You'll be surprised at how easy a slither of light is able to be picked out in the dark where there is no other ambient light around.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

The Croda footage showed

running man 1:13
cycling man 1:24 then 1:34
walking couple 2:34

Was it 2:25-2:29 that PR was back at the park? You’d think walking couple would have at least seen the car there or driving away.

This is what I have wondered! I even measured the distance timed the couple walking from past the camera to where PR parked and it would take 5-6 minutes! MOO

 

[CoverMeCagney]

There’s no lights, I can’t even tell what it is, it’s just arrows. I can’t see how you would be able to see the car lights from that point unless he parked his car facing towards the river, but even then that’s a lot of distance for car headlights- mine barely show a road corner a few metres ahead as I’m driving towards it with nothing else blocking the view.

I can’t see them at all on my phone, but on a laptop I see two lights, looks like car headlights, flash in the distance (ie across the river and on the other side of the park)

This is in the yeast factory footage as it pans right, as shown by the red arrows at 00:58 seconds on the vid.

EDIT added video:
Libby Squire trial CCTV

 

[Steve2021]

Are we seriously saying the Croda CCTV shows one or more people at the riverbank? When I looked at it I assumed it was people's imagination.

Edited...I meant Mauri yeast CCTV not Croda, and several of you have clarified it doesn't show anyone on the bank, but the distant headlights from Oak Road

 

[NottReds50]

Are we seriously saying the Croda CCTV shows one or more people at the riverbank? When I looked at it I assumed it was people's imagination.

Nope, I cant see anything on my laptop. Even in high res at .5 speed....

 

[CoverMeCagney]

This is what I have wondered! I even measured the distance timed the couple walking from past the camera to where PR parked and it would take 5-6 minutes! MOO

So they should at least have seen his car even if he was driving away by then. We don't even know if that couple ever came forward.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

It wasn’t common knowledge the next day that a student was missing- my friends daughter lived very very close to where PR picked up LS and was a student at the time (I posted about this before PR had even been taken into custody as my friend always parked her minibus where spidercam was, when visiting). It was only after PR was charged for his other crimes that they were told for the first time about being vigilant.
ETA it wasn’t “about”- she looked at her clock at 12.30, so they knew it was after that point.

I could be wrong and missed something but the students statement said “about 12:30”. The defense in his statement added she looked at her phone. Again I could have missed something. MOO

 

[Ruthbullock]

Are we seriously saying the Croda CCTV shows one or more people at the riverbank? When I looked at it I assumed it was people's imagination.

No absolutely not, I just don’t know what I’m supposed to be seeing, I struggle to see how it would be car headlights. Nor do I see it’s relevance if it is headlights as we have much clearer footage of the car leaving.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

duplicate

 

[Skigh]

Are we seriously saying the Croda CCTV shows one or more people at the riverbank? When I looked at it I assumed it was people's imagination.

If there were people /a person on the river bank wouldn't that have come up in court?

 

[NottReds50]

Can you not see the headlights flash at 00:58 between the arrows?

I can yes, I was replying to Steve's post about seeing people! (which I cannot see)

 

[ben2021]

There are no laws that say you can not enter a public park in the UK past a certain time, so PR does not need a reason to be in a park at that time of night, nor does anyone else...

p.s. welcome...

thankyou. I meant there is nothing there.

 

[NottReds50]

If there were people /a person on the river bank wouldn't that have come up in court?

You'd imagine so yeah, and that this would likely prove whatever the situation was conclusively I guess?

But I am surprised that with the wide field of vision nothing was seen?