GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, found deceased, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #25

[tedtink]

Libby had cut knees so there was probably blood in his car. JMO

Interesting that forensics regarding the car wasn't mentioned in Court, unless I missed it.

 

[JosieJo]

I respectfully disagree. The lack of internet search which would conveniently prove his guilt just days after the event does not prove he is not guilty. He was so arrogant that he just didn't care imo. 5 days is not a lot of time as well. Especially as he was supposedly back to work the day after

Please re read my initial post ...ive not said the lack of Internet searches proves he's not guilty ...I said I wish there had been just one more piece of evidence which would have helped seal the deal if it had been presented..Internet searches being one example

 

[Miss_French]

He was wearing trainers.

Same. I wear them for football matches and driving and still have to clean my car regularly.

 

[Winterbells]

What does everyone else do whilst the jury deliberates? Do they remain in the courtroom, or wait somewhere else? and does the courtroom have to be left available until the jury have reached their decision, or does it get used for other cases to be heard? does anyone know?

 

[C.greek]

Please re read my initial post ...ive not said the lack of Internet searches proves he's not guilty ...I said I wish there had been just one more piece of evidence which would have helped seal the deal if it had been presented

Yes yes I know i would have loved it had there been plenty of direct incriminating evidence. But imo incriminating evidence exists in this case. But it is inferences and circumstantial evidence.

 

[Cherwell]

Well it obviously does matter, otherwise it wouldn't have presented as evidence.
There's no need to be dismissive.

As I said, it was presented as evidence because he allegedly cleaned the car within hours of Libby going missing, presumably to erase any traces of her presence.

 

[Newthoughts]

@Newthoughts

Vincent Tabak ..an intelligent man...googled all sorts that helped his conviction

Googling the missing person for info around the missing person and the police work also common

Vincent Tabak's internet use analysed


Graham Coutts ...auto asphyxiation played a big part in his conviction

But you're not trying those cases.

PR had a river nearby? He's lived near it for a few years. Why would he need to google it? Since this case I've thought what would I do if I needed to get rid of evidence. Couple of lockdown walks I've already seen where

Why assume auto asphyxiation was his thing just because asphyxiation was a likely cause. IMO Libby's death was just getting rid of evidence. The end rather than the means. If you believe he went into the park you have to ask why.

If it was a robbery or drug deal rather than a rape would you expect auto asphyxiation ? IMO it was just to get rid of evidence

IMO that was why he was confident later on

 

[C.greek]

Same. I wear them for football matches and driving and still have to clean my car regularly.

Miss_French respectfully you don't go round committing the sexual crimes PR did and the day after a disoriented vulnerable girl you had in your car and took to a remote location and went missing, you clean your car in -2 for the first time in months. The comment on trainers was because you or another poster suggested they clean their car often in winter because their shoes with sturdy soles collect mud.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

What does everyone else do whilst the jury deliberates? Do they remain in the courtroom, or wait somewhere else? and does the courtroom have to be left available until the jury have reached their decision, or does it get used for other cases to be heard? does anyone know?

From my memory the courtroom is cleared when the Jury retire, the courtroom remains empty as the case is live and ongoing (sorry can't think of better term) and the jury may return back in at any time for verdict or questions. I don't believe other cases are listed for that court room whilst the trial is ongoing. Interested parties tend to wait in the communal waiting areas of the court. Then the tannoy calls "all parties in the case of x, to court 1" for example.

This is from memory of Jury service, being an interested party and some (way way back) work experience with the court clerk. So could be slightly inaccurate but the best of my knowledge.

Edited for clarity.

 

[Winterbells]

From my memory the courtroom is cleared when the Jury retire, the courtroom remains empty as the case is live and ongoing (sorry can't think of better term) and the jury may return back in at any time for verdict or questions. I don't believe other cases are listed for that court room whilst the trial is ongoing. Interested parties tend to wait in the communal waiting areas of the court. Then the tannoy calls "all parties in the case of x, to court 1" for example.

This is from memory of Jury service, being an interested party and some (way way back) work experience with the court clerk. So could be slightly inaccurate but the best if my knowledge.

Thanks @Mommysleuth11

 

[JosieJo]

I respectfully disagree. The lack of internet search which would conveniently prove his guilt just days after the event does not prove he is not guilty. He was so arrogant that he just didn't care imo. 5 days is not a lot of time as well. Especially as he was supposedly back to work the day after

Please re read my initial post ...ive not said the lack of Internet searches proves he's not guilty ...I said I wish there had been just one more piece of evidence which would have helped seal the deal if it had been presented

But you're not trying those cases.

PR had a river nearby? He's lived near it for a few years. Why would he need to google it? Since this case I've thought what would I do if I needed to get rid of evidence. Couple of lockdown walks I've already seen where

Why assume auto asphyxiation was his thing just because asphyxiation was a likely cause. IMO Libby's death was just getting rid of evidence. The end rather than the means. If you believe he went into the park you have to ask why.

If it was a robbery or drug deal rather than a rape would you expect auto asphyxiation ? IMO it was just to get rid of evidence

IMO that was why he was confident later on

If you read my original post it was a general comment around wishing there was just one more piece of evidence to help with the conviction and gave some examples that "could" have helped had they been presented..im not sure why the "interigation" and negatively around such a general comment bore out of frustration?

They are all very reasonable possibilities often found in cases on a regular basis ...that was the sum total of my posts ...the need to try and destroy the comment as if its some sort of attack on his guilt ...I know its stressful today but gee..

 

[ChiCubs2016]

How did he react previously? Sorry, I might have missed it and really interested to know.

When he was sentenced for his previous crimes, he walked past the guards, opened the door to the next room himself (which is apparently unusual) and a loud bang was heard from the room.

 

[Alyce]

I was thinking exactly this too!

Does anyone know if after the trial the full court transcripts are ever made available to the public?

I think they sometimes are Holly, or at least they can be purchased

Legally's your man for that info @Legally Bland

 

[jamjim]

Sophie Corcoran

@sophcorcoran
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Relowicz has been called to the courtroom.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Hands up who thinks the jury room probably sounds a bit like it does in here



We need the finger tapping emoji back...

 

[Ktboo]

Oh god is it happening

 

[jamjim]

15:14
Do we have a verdict?

Pawel Relowicz is being called to court.

It is not clear yet if a verdict has been reached.

Libby Squire trial live as judge tells jury she will accept majority verdicts

 

[Skigh]

I feel a bit sick .

 

[Mommysleuth11]

I'm so nervous right now.

 

[Ktboo]

I’m actually shaking!