Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #10 *ARREST*

[bos]

Absolutely not doubting that you're correct, but I can't work out how you worked out from the latest video of Libby that it's number 32?

 

[bos]

Absolutely not doubting that you're correct, but I can't work out how you worked out from the latest video of Libby that it's number 32?

Edited to add: sorry about double posts/see Cags has already answered etc - WiFi playing up here, rebooted everything so hopefully not so behind now!

 

[LucyRocket]

Me neither, no shape of a person at all. I see what looks like could be a little movement on the position of the seat and maybe something, an item, put in the footwell and that is it for me and even that is fanciful.

You don't? That's the clearest thing I see in the whole clip. I see someone putting an item in (bag/ coat etc) then I see someone put one leg in, bend and lower their bum onto the seat, then lift the second leg in and put their belt on

 

[Winterbells]

View attachment 171462 View attachment 171463



Edited to add: sorry about double posts/see Cags has already answered etc - WiFi playing up here, rebooted everything so hopefully not so behind now!

Thanks anyway, Bos.

 

[Newthoughts]

I can't see this being trafficking. I can't imagine the sort of criminal organisation and big money involved in trafficking employing or tolerating a guy that randomly waves his willy round, nicks knickers and leaves enough evidence for both hanging around.

Nor could I see them risking grabbing a much loved, quickly missed student when, sadly, there are desperate refugees, illegal immigrants and a care system that almost discards its charges at 18

I can envisage a scenario where PR could have a pal with similar tastes. I could envisage then planning something together.

Is there anywhere within the area being searched where he could have hidden her?

 

[bos]

I can’t dismiss Heathcote witness out of hand but although I can understand her not phoning police on the night, it sounds as though she didn’t say anything when police were doing door-to-door but after some reflection, she phoned 101? I think if a scream was blood curdling, you’d remember as soon as you saw the police?

Her and the witness who heard screaming/saw running man from the park both have the same time frame which confuses things

 

[ly502]

I can't see this being trafficking. I can't imagine the sort of criminal organisation and big money involved in trafficking employing or tolerating a guy that randomly waves his willy round, nicks knickers and leaves enough evidence for both hanging around.

Nor could I see them risking grabbing a much loved, quickly missed student when, sadly, there are desperate refugees, illegal immigrants and a care system that almost discards its charges at 18

I can envisage a scenario where PR could have a pal with similar tastes. I could envisage then planning something together.

Is there anywhere within the area being searched where he could have hidden her?

Definitely...they searched a lot of out buildings near the park and around the whole area in question. They searched abandoned buildings, etc. I can't say they hit every possible place, but the nature of those searches toward the beginning and around when they arrested PR suggested that they thought it might actually be likely that he was holding her somewhere. But I have not heard of anyone searching these types of places for quite a while now.

 

[ly502]

I can’t dismiss Heathcote witness out of hand but although I can understand her not phoning police on the night, it sounds as though she didn’t say anything when police were doing door-to-door but after some reflection, she phoned 101? I think if a scream was blood curdling, you’d remember as soon as you saw the police?

Her and the witness who heard screaming/saw running man from the park both have the same time frame which confuses things

How far are these locations from one another? I've heard them described in detail, and I know the general area in which everything took place is not all that large, so I was just wondering from someone who is from around there. thanks

 

[CoverMeCagney]

View attachment 171462 View attachment 171463



Edited to add: sorry about double posts/see Cags has already answered etc - WiFi playing up here, rebooted everything so hopefully not so behind now!

Thank you, bos! That's exactly it.

 

[Sera]

About to drive everyone mad - sorry in advance - but since Cags has helped us all confirm Libby's address is 32 Wellesley, then why the forensics at the door of number 15...?

 

[Sera]

"15:02
Hull Coastguard paged to object in the River Humber
Posting on Facebook, Hull Coastguard said they were called out just after 1pm today to an “unidentified object”.

“Paged to unidentified object in the water seemingly attracting many birds at North Ferriby.

“Teams searched the shore line from Brough Haven to Welton Waters, Melton and North Ferriby, whilst Humber Rescue searched to Crabley Farm area.

“With good visibility but nothing of significance found, teams stood down and returned to station, pending further sightings.”"

Live as police resume search after 'body' seen in Humber Estuary

 

[ly502]

"15:02
Hull Coastguard paged to object in the River Humber
Posting on Facebook, Hull Coastguard said they were called out just after 1pm today to an “unidentified object”.

“Paged to unidentified object in the water seemingly attracting many birds at North Ferriby.

“Teams searched the shore line from Brough Haven to Welton Waters, Melton and North Ferriby, whilst Humber Rescue searched to Crabley Farm area.

“With good visibility but nothing of significance found, teams stood down and returned to station, pending further sightings.”"

Live as police resume search after 'body' seen in Humber Estuary

I feel like they have said now for three days in a row that they are standing now/suspending. But I guess we are to assume this is definitive since it is pending further sightings. How are we to get this out of our minds now though!? And how could Libby's family, wondering if there actually was a sighting?

 

[alfiedug]

That’s my interpretation of the video too. Agree.

I'm happy you agree. Even though they say last cctv footage of Libby at Beverley rd.But then go on to say"CCTV footage has formed a crucial part of the investigation so far, with detectives working non-stop and viewing hours of film to piece together Libby's movements and thereafter the last sighting.Maybe PR is saying that is not him at 2.34. But police think it is they can't says it's him until an arrest has been made.

 

[Mollie123]

But if Libby was seen at the junction then was she seen with someone? Many here are theorising that LS saw Libby on the bench or thereabouts and led her to his car parked in Haworth.

If that had happened LS would also have been identified by the same means?

The alternative is Libby wandered into Haworth under her own power and that seems dubious to me ? OMOO

I think the term she was seen refers to Mr.Grey Beard and the fact LE said he had been 'Very Helpful'

 

[Mollie123]

But if Libby was seen at the junction then was she seen with someone? Many here are theorising that LS saw Libby on the bench or thereabouts and led her to his car parked in Haworth.

If that had happened LS would also have been identified by the same means?

The alternative is Libby wandered into Haworth under her own power and that seems dubious to me ? OMOO

I think the term she was seen refers to Mr.Grey Beard and the fact LE said he had been 'Very Helpful'

 

[Mbamba]

About to drive everyone mad - sorry in advance - but since Cags has helped us all confirm Libby's address is 32 Wellesley, then why the forensics at the door of number 15...?

Is 15 where the voyeurism took place?

 

[Joelle88]

Is 15 where the voyeurism took place?

Wow! Didn’t think of that one!
Now that is fantastic sleuthing!

 

[Quintet]

Definitely bounces and flops over a little.

Looks more to me that he takes something off the seat then puts it in the footwell or even over the back if the seat (depends which speed I watch it).

I See different things each and every time.

Quintet writing this!


Could it be possible that in the edited time, the couple of mins missing, that PR takes a coat or blanket out of his car, to wrap around LS shoulders, at the Bench, to suggest that he’s a good citizen wishing to help her? And that the vision that suggests she’s possibly pulling back is actually the coat/blanket being removed, then put in the footwell, before LS gets in the passenger seat!?

 

[pinklilies]

You don't? That's the clearest thing I see in the whole clip. I see someone putting an item in (bag/ coat etc) then I see someone put one leg in, bend and lower their bum onto the seat, then lift the second leg in and put their belt on

Maybe it's due to me being on iPad. It never produces good videos so maybe the quality of videos streamed on here doesn't come through well either. I dunno, would just like to see what you all see, it's so frustrating!

 

[Hatfield]

Maybe it's due to me being on iPad. It never produces good videos so maybe the quality of videos streamed on here doesn't come through well either. I dunno, would just like to see what you all see, it's so frustrating!

There is no doubt that different devices show things clearer than other devices. Using a laptop and hooking an HDMI cord up to a big screen HD TV can sometimes show things much clearer than on a phone.