Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #10 *ARREST*

[Chester]

I'd say very lucky.

He's got away with sexually motivated offences dating back at least two years until this. Even his theiving record seems more deviant than financial. I know police resources might not stretch to nicked laptops but sex toys and photos should have triggered alarms

Libby's body hasn't been found and without that it's his dodgy story to his sister against the police (the Libby coming on to him was his big mistake there - always going to be unlikely in those circumstances even less so when his previous history was revealed, fear of her being sick in his car would have been a better lie for whatever evidence that was covering).

Without that there is no way of reaching the proof beyond reasonable doubt.

He'll possibly serve 18 months to two years for first offence burglary and flashing and be out to disappear and reoffend.

So I'd say he's been very lucky and cunning.

He will reoffend imo. Occams razor explanation changes with every new bit of info. The last piece in the jigsaw was his demeanor in court on unrelated charges.

His location that night (why a student area, there are better places to get consenting sex), the time (possibility of bus and first wave of students coming home), the nature of his previous offences (creepy by anyones standards he'd be well aware that fear and upset are the reactions to flashing not a date) and finally his demeanor in court (not normal for an innocent person nor your average guilty first time offender)

I seriously doubt his sentence for the crimes he has been charged with will be anything near 18 to 24 months.

His alleged choice of burglary booty does not make him lucky or unlucky.

If found guilty he is very likely to be offered counselling as part of his sentencing, that can prove to be effective for people with his particular brand of paraphilia. So the reoffending this is not a given. This also has nothing to do with him being lucky or unlucky.

"His demeanour on unrelated charges"? Is there a text book way to react? He'd been questioned for 96 hours, most people would be numb in those circumstances. If he had broken down and sobbed would you be less convinced of his guilt? How are the charges unrelated if you have used them to decide his guilt despite a complete lack of evidence? Again nothing to do with being lucky or unlucky.

With today's Police resources stretched as they are getting away with minor crimes is nothing to do with luck, it's a numbers game. Not many Police Officers, lots of crimes.

 

[Mollie123]

Don't think they meant she might get on a bus to go anywhere.

Think they meant she might see people getting off the bus at that stop as if it was running it would be coming from the direction of the welly.

Yes true

 

[Joolz1975]

The car was there for 20 minutes.

Personally I think grey beard talking to LS is what drew his attention.

Yes, I’m thinking so too, but do you think he was driving past also or already parked there? I’m just wondering why the spider cctv did not actually show the car arrive or say at the very least that the car had only just arrived!? Hmmm[/QUOTE]

Probably would be showing something they did not want us to see, something that may jeopardise a court case or similar.

The reporter does say the car was parked there for 20mins so you can guess it arrived around 11.49pm

Grey beard was speaking to Libby at 11.45pm ish.

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

I don’t know, maybe the penis tugging flasher that had been there 10 days earlier, put her off that idea and made her think she may be safer on a busy street? Wish I knew.

Just really trying to figure out in my own mind whether PR was doing his usual practices or had stepped it up to actually driving around looking for someone to abduct. I think it’s more likely he was sar waiting to then follow someone on foot, but, unfortunately the opportune he maybe couldn’t resist, came along in the shape of poor Libby, just in the wrong place/wrong state. I could be way off.

If I was in her position the last thing I'd do is climb over my fence and sit in my shed in the cold and dark.

I'd do EXACTLY what she did, head for a public place and hope I saw someone I knew.[/QUOTE]

Me too. The safest place to wait you would think would be in a busy road with lots of passing traffic

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

Yes, I’m thinking so too, but do you think he was driving past also or already parked there? I’m just wondering why the spider cctv did not actually show the car arrive or say at the very least that the car had only just arrived!? Hmmm

Probably would be showing something they did not want us to see, something that may jeopardise a court case or similar.

The reporter does say the car was parked there for 20mins so you can guess it arrived around 11.49pm

Grey beard was speaking to Libby at 11.45pm ish.[/QUOTE]

He could have been parked elsewhere watching this unfold and drive around to get closer.

Edit - not really liking this getting into the mind of a weird stalker lol

 

[Quintet]

Yes, I’m thinking so too, but do you think he was driving past also or already parked there? I’m just wondering why the spider cctv did not actually show the car arrive or say at the very least that the car had only just arrived!? Hmmm

Probably would be showing something they did not want us to see, something that may jeopardise a court case or similar.

The reporter does say the car was parked there for 20mins so you can guess it arrived around 11.49pm

Grey beard was speaking to Libby at 11.45pm ish.[/QUOTE]

I spoke to a friend that passed the Bench around the time LS was reported to be there, but, he said he didn’t notice her at all. He said that the area sits back, quite dark and suggested that when you’re driving on a night don’t really notice it that much. On that note I wonder whether LS moved forward from the bench to look down Beverley road to see if she could see the bus coming, maybe a tad wobbly near the edge of the kerb causing Grey Beard to stop?

 

[Cherwell]

Everybody is quoting broken quotes and perpetuating the problem!

PREVIEW your post before posting.
If it includes a broken quote, go back to edit mode and look for where the "quote" codes are wrong.

The problem is usually that either the opening or closing quote code has been deleted by mistake, or only part of it may be missing, eg a [ or a /
Either way, it's easy to find and fix.

 

[Newthoughts]

But

Where would she be wanting to go, waiting at that bus stop? That side of the road heads away from the area.

She was waiting for friends to get off thatt bus not waiting for a bus. Someone supporting her mother said she'd forgotten her key and went to wait for her friends. That is possibly what she told grey beard which would allay any concerns he might have had. I imagine it's the nearest place to sit.

 

[Joolz1975]

Everybody is quoting broken quotes and perpetuating the problem!

PREVIEW your post before posting.
If it includes a broken quote, go back to edit mode and look for where the "quote" codes are wrong.

The problem is usually that either the opening or closing quote code has been deleted by mistake, or only part of it may be missing, eg a [ or a /
Either way, it's easy to find and fix.

Thank you!

 

[lo so]

I think people are focusing too much on what his sister said. PR could easily have told LE a different version where he claimed something did happen between them which could tie in with any DNA found.

I also think he could have persuaded her to get out of the car and go for a walk - not if she was sober, but if drunk, distressed and facing a wait of another couple of hours he might have persuaded her

 

[Joolz1975]

She was waiting for friends to get off thatt bus not waiting for a bus. Someone supporting her mother said she'd forgotten her key and went to wait for her friends. That is possibly what she told grey beard which would allay any concerns he might have had. I imagine it's the nearest place to sit.

To be fair we don't know for sure she was waiting for anyone to get off the bus (in fact there was no bus).

So it's a lot of speculation to assume she was waiting for a bus that was never going to come.

 

[Newthoughts]

I seriously doubt his sentence for the crimes he has been charged with will be anything near 18 to 24 months.

His alleged choice of burglary booty does not make him lucky or unlucky.

If found guilty he is very likely to be offered counselling as part of his sentencing, that can prove to be effective for people with his particular brand of paraphilia. So the reoffending this is not a given. This also has nothing to do with him being lucky or unlucky.

"His demeanour on unrelated charges"? Is there a text book way to react? He'd been questioned for 96 hours, most people would be numb in those circumstances. If he had broken down and sobbed would you be less convinced of his guilt? How are the charges unrelated if you have used them to decide his guilt despite a complete lack of evidence? Again nothing to do with being lucky or unlucky.

With today's Police resources stretched as they are getting away with minor crimes is nothing to do with luck, it's a numbers game. Not many Police Officers, lots of crimes.

I'd say getting away due to a numbers game if luck.

I think his particular paraphilia has gone beyond a bit of flashing.

I would imagine there is plenty of evidence for the charges put forward as CPS require a great deal of proof these days (again a lucky numbers game).

His demeanor in court is unusual.

It would be unlucky if Libby managed managed to fall prey to two sexual predators with half an hour of each other.

Mostly he is lucky because she hasn't been found. That's either luck or good planning.

 

[Chester]

1. I'd say getting away due to a numbers game if luck.
   
   
2. I think his particular paraphilia has gone beyond a bit of flashing.
   
   
3. I would imagine there is plenty of evidence for the charges put forward as CPS require a great deal of proof these days (again a lucky numbers game).
   
   
4. His demeanor in court is unusual.
   
   
5. It would be unlucky if Libby managed managed to fall prey to two sexual predators with half an hour of each other.
   
   
6. Mostly he is lucky because she hasn't been found. That's either luck or good planning.

1. I disagree, it's quite the opposite.

2. On what evidence <modsnip - rude>.

3. What? Who was talking about that? <modsnip - snarky>

4. <modsnip - rude>

5. Assumes she in any way fell prey to him and then assumes that the only thing that could have happened to her is that a sexual predator took her/killer her. Ruling something out by constructing a limited and unlikely scenario does not have anything to do with his luck.

6. Assumes he had anything to do with her disappearance. At this stage if he did we can safely say it's more than luck.

 

[Winterbells]

She was waiting for friends to get off thatt bus not waiting for a bus. Someone supporting her mother said she'd forgotten her key and went to wait for her friends. That is possibly what she told grey beard which would allay any concerns he might have had. I imagine it's the nearest place to sit.

Just noting, (in case this becomes 'fact') the quote in the press was as follows: "“Her mum thinks Libby may have forgotten her keys and was waiting for her friends, Angie said".
Missing Libby Squire's mum reveals she keeps waking up 'back in nightmare'

 

[Winterbells]

It does seem like the logical explanation for the reason Libby was on or near the bench, though.

 

[Newthoughts]

1. I disagree, it's quite the opposite.

2. On what evidence <modsnip - rude>.

3. What? Who was talking about that? <modsnip - snarky>

4. <modsnip - rude>

5. Assumes she in any way fell prey to him and then assumes that the only thing that could have happened to her is that a sexual predator took her/killer her. Ruling something out by constructing a limited and unlikely scenario does not have anything to do with his luck.

6. Assumes he had anything to do with her disappearance. At this stage if he did we can safely say it's more than luck.

1 agree to disagree

2 brazen burglary bringing him much closer to potential victims. Knowing those victims would possess items of interest rather than just flashing random females.

3 The evidence has to be pretty good for CPS to allow the charges.

4 agree to disagree but reportedly emotionless not numb.

5 whatever he said to his sister HE reported coming into contact with her. It is likely cobweb CCTV also shows that.

His crimes are sexual and nasty. If he let her go as stated there are limited options. She was drunk so making it into the centre of a park or to a river where she wouldn't be found is unlikely. Coming across another sexually motivated criminal is unlikely. Can't think of any other options. So he's lucky she hasn't been found.

6 my opinion is that it is more than luck. My opinion is it was planned. But that's my opinion. I hope it's wrong and he is merely lucky

 

[Eyes Wide Open]

I'm a newcomer and a non-local.
1.Gazing at various angles on google maps and at Strontium's video at the shops opposite the bench on Beverley Rd. There's a dubious looking alley called Strawberry Walk between Men Only and Strictly Students. Looks to have enough width for cars and runs parallel to the rear of Berisford for an unspecified distance. Maybe legitimate access to parking or garages? Maybe dark and secluded for something more sinister? The daytime maps and video always show a car blocking vehicle access into the alley but is it blocked at night time? On line it is said to be the address for St John's Scout group presumably near the school of the same name opposite the end of Wellesley where Libby lives. Can't tell whether the alley runs all the way to the school gate. Has this alley been checked and cleared?
2. Has the other departing car on the Spider's CCTV actually been eliminated? Due to the bollards, it must have been parked even nearer to the bench than the featured car.
3. In that CCTV the suspicious driver clearly puts something (car key/fob?) into his left trouser pocket with his left hand. There is somewhere a photo of PR in a gym posing with his mobile in his left hand too. Anyway, LE hopefully have evidence or admission to identify him already.
4. I've only just noticed a pedestrian crossing on Beverley Rd beside Haworth St. I wonder if Libby is seen on the Beverley Rd CCTV on her way across to the bench. Similarly it may show where the Haworth St cyclist went after exiting that street. Again all this should be already known to LE.
I can't add any thoughts about events at other locations. This is my first post. The detail on this site is so stimulating that I had to speak up. Sorry if its all old hat!

 

[Chester]

1 agree to disagree

2 brazen burglary bringing him much closer to potential victims. Knowing those victims would possess items of interest rather than just flashing random females.

3 The evidence has to be pretty good for CPS to allow the charges.

4 agree to disagree but reportedly emotionless not numb.

5 whatever he said to his sister HE reported coming into contact with her. It is likely cobweb CCTV also shows that.

His crimes are sexual and nasty. If he let her go as stated there are limited options. She was drunk so making it into the centre of a park or to a river where she wouldn't be found is unlikely. Coming across another sexually motivated criminal is unlikely. Can't think of any other options. So he's lucky she hasn't been found.

6 my opinion is that it is more than luck. My opinion is it was planned. But that's my opinion. I hope it's wrong and he is merely lucky

How would he plan Libby getting drunk, plan The Welly not letting her in, plan her friends posting her home alone in a taxi, plan her forgetting her keys not having phone, plan her wandering off and sitting in the middle of the road, plan her being put on a bench until he happens to drive past? Plan? Don't think so.

You hope he is lucky? OK. I for one hope he is really unlucky if he did it.

 

[scootermuppet]

1 agree to disagree

2 brazen burglary bringing him much closer to potential victims. Knowing those victims would possess items of interest rather than just flashing random females.

3 The evidence has to be pretty good for CPS to allow the charges.

4 agree to disagree but reportedly emotionless not numb.

5 whatever he said to his sister HE reported coming into contact with her. It is likely cobweb CCTV also shows that.

His crimes are sexual and nasty. If he let her go as stated there are limited options. She was drunk so making it into the centre of a park or to a river where she wouldn't be found is unlikely. Coming across another sexually motivated criminal is unlikely. Can't think of any other options. So he's lucky she hasn't been found.

6 my opinion is that it is more than luck. My opinion is it was planned. But that's my opinion. I hope it's wrong and he is merely lucky

Fair points.

 

[Quintet]

In response to a Member mentioning that PR is holding his phone in his left hand, I think he’s actually holding it in his right hand but because he’s taking the photo via the mirror, doesn’t it transpose it?

(I daren’t quote it as I’m sure I’m one of the ones that has been doing the quote thing wrong, sorry)