Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #11 *ARREST*

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I'm pretty sure a flasher wouldn't take his dog with him..

If it's anything like my dog if he sees anything resembling a sausage he tries chewing on it.

I'd say handling a dog and a penis at the same time would be a bit tricky (mind you I don't have a penis so it is just a guess)
 
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What have I missed?!


oops. (forgot to reply with quote post #1896). was my response to a comment by @Officer Dibble about a heavyset flasher with low-hanging balls and a small penis. lol. ( a few posts back).
 
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i still can't wrap my mind around how perfectly capable this guy would have to have been in getting rid of a body, now that it's been well over a month, and he's been sitting in a cell. i'm just not fully convinced he's the one, or the only one anyway. (yet). i am definitely glad he's where he is.

I think, sadly, the problem here may be that there are water sources around in this case and worse still, ones that lead out fairly quickly to the sea. If you have killed and you have this option, even first time killers would choose it as it is a quick way to conceal a body, degrades the physical evidence and makes it harder for murder charges to stick. It hinders the investigation massively.

It is not a leap for someone to fantasize and plan an abduction, we know many offenders do this (many without a particular victim in mind) and then give some thought to how they will avoid detection. Especially if you have been so careless as to leave your DNA at other crime scenes. Even though that DNA is still unidentified, if police can group a few crimes together they have much more to go on to track you down.
All you can hope for is perhaps some internet searches on tides, google maps etc and maybe phone pings near the water's location. Or that something from the victim (clothing etc) eventually washes up. Shoes are fairly durable and seem to show up sometimes.
Planning to attack a victim near water might explain why an attacker would take the risk of taking a victim out of the car. Also gives an advantage of less forensic evidence of the actual attack being left in the car. I find it hard to believe that IF PR attacked Libby that he has not slipped up somewhere, we don't know what they've got.
And there are quite a few cases where areas are searched and months, even years later bodies are found there even on land. I'm not convinced all police are that great at searching, it's a difficult job sometimes. I do think they are pretty good at knowing when someone is lying and knowing when their story doesn't add up, they do that every day of the week.
As for demeanour and lifestyle of rapist/murderers, I think the thing that strikes me most about many of them, is that they are "little men". Men who are not blessed with much of anything and seek to increase their sense of power by attacking those who cannot fight back. It often flares when they are feeling a lack of control or success in the rest of their lives. Very few are obviously evil in everyday life. In prison, they are often model prisoners as attacking other men who could attack back is not their MO.
 
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A lot of people (like me) would be able to describe/recognise the dog far more easily than describe a human accurately.
 
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I think if it was a dog he encouraged to move from front to back seat, it would have been visible/present while he was sitting sideways 'smoking'. Perhaps a particularly obedient dog would just sit inside the car when the door is open, but in my experience of having dogs in the car, the minute the door is opened, they're keen to get out and get on with the walk they assume they're going on. I need to look at the cctv again though, to scrutinise that movement of something around the front passenger seat/footwell/back seat area.
 
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I think if it was a dog he encouraged to move from front to back seat, it would have been visible/present while he was sitting sideways 'smoking'. Perhaps a particularly obedient dog would just sit inside the car when the door is open, but in my experience of having dogs in the car, the minute the door is opened, they're keen to get out and get on with the walk they assume they're going on. I need to look at the cctv again though, to scrutinise that movement of something around the front passenger seat/footwell/back seat area.
I have mine in a seatbelt harness so she can't actually jump out of the car/window, she's not particularly obedient! I did wonder why the driver sat in the side of the car rather than sitting in with the window open, made me wonder if there someone in the back.
 
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I did wonder why the driver sat in the side of the car rather than sitting in with the window open, made me wonder if there someone in the back.

And on what was the coldest night of the winter in Hull.
 
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I have mine in a seatbelt harness so she can't actually jump out of the car/window, she's not particularly obedient! I did wonder why the driver sat in the side of the car rather than sitting in with the window open, made me wonder if there someone in the back.
Isn't that because the footage starts with him outside the car anyway. It starts with it being opened (or locked) and it looks like he's close to the rear of the car looking backwards towards the bollards before he moves to sit in the driver's seat. To me it has always looked like he's walking back to the car from the bollards.

We don't get to see him initially leave the car for some reason, nor move to the starting point of the footage.

So in that respect it would be odd to get into the car and out again.

I don't think there is a dog with him. To difficult to control, to easy to identify.
 
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I have mine in a seatbelt harness so she can't actually jump out of the car/window, she's not particularly obedient! I did wonder why the driver sat in the side of the car rather than sitting in with the window open, made me wonder if there someone in the back.
Yes, mine is completely disobedient and is restrained by a seat belt harness (in fact, I think it's the law nowadays) but if it's a dog, and if that's what he moves when he opens the passenger door, it wasn't restrained, right? I also wondered if he had someone in the back seat. On some viewings it looks like his lips are moving (ie. he's talking to someone whilst sitting there).
 
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I wish I could find that article where the neighbour talked about the car and how it seemed to be shared with someone else. Does anyone have easy access to it pls?
 
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And on what was the coldest night of the winter in Hull.
I can't remember if it's the front or back door of the car he opens to then sit sideways in? It does look like he could be sitting that way to keep an eye on the bench area.
 
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I can't remember if it's the front or back door of the car he opens to then sit sideways in? It does look like he could be sitting that way to keep an eye on the bench area.
We see the door unlocking flash. Then he sort of appears at the rear of the car. Looks to me like he's looking back.

Then I can't actually see him open the car door.

I thought it was the front but the easiest way to tell would be to compare it with the footage of him getting back into the car after putting someone in the passenger side. I can't bring myself to watch that bit so have only seen the first half
 
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We see the door unlocking flash. Then he sort of appears at the rear of the car. Looks to me like he's looking back.

Then I can't actually see him open the car door.

I thought it was the front but the easiest way to tell would be to compare it with the footage of him getting back into the car after putting someone in the passenger side. I can't bring myself to watch that bit so have only seen the first half
I've just re-watched and it's the drivers door he sits in, sideways. Such a weird thing to do on a freezing cold night, but I guess if it's to smoke or watch someone or both, it makes sense.
 
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I've just re-watched and it's the drivers door he sits in, sideways. Such a weird thing to do on a freezing cold night, but I guess if it's to smoke or watch someone or both, it makes sense.
And to get out again.
 
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I've just re-watched and it's the drivers door he sits in, sideways. Such a weird thing to do on a freezing cold night, but I guess if it's to smoke or watch someone or both, it makes sense.
Maybe the Dog is Asthmatic?
 
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And on what was the coldest night of the winter in Hull.
Possibly if he was in fact smoking, he wasn't allowed to smoke in the car so would sit out rather than in.
 
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How would he do that?

Taxi companies all use closed systems, most are based on a mobile app these days.[/QUOT

Agree. I think he possibly saw her walking alone to Beverly road then Gb talking to her. And either parked up, or was already there ready to go off flashing.
 
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