Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #12 *ARREST*

[Joelle88]

I am lost for words.

 

[Joolz1975]

I've deleted my comment now . Should have read the whole of the thread before I commented but I was a bit

 

[Joelle88]

I've deleted my comment now . Should have read the whole of the thread before I commented but I was a bit

That’s one hell of an imagination!

 

[Plod]

The stones on this guy!

My legal knowledge is very basic, so can someone explain the thinking behind a not guilty plea under the circumstances, please?

He was arrested on suspicion of abduction. Fingerprints and DNA samples will have been taken as a matter of procedure. Presumably this has immediately tied him to existing forensic evidence in the database and implicated him in several outstanding cases. His face is now out there, which has in turn prompted additional people to come forward.[/QUOTE
Defence wait to see level of evidence against him before he decides to
Plea - maybe he will to some which seem
Less weighty and likely to get lighter sentence. Plus they may want to put off the presentence reports - if he pleads it’s likely these will be ordered because of nature of offences. Maybe they don’t want any psychological report yet - plus other previous offences which he has been cautioned/charged for will come to light. Won’t put him in a good light re LS

 

[Caroclaud]

To my mind it IS quite a leap from being a disgusting masturbating perv to actually murdering and disposing of a body, but then so often in other cases there seems to be no previous history of crime or misdemeanours but then they jump straight to murder... which seems more odd.

Maybe the police are looking at the escalating pattern of behaviour and thinking he PR has taken it to the next level, it seems very odd that we STILL don’t know where he ‘dropped her off’, if he was the last person to see her. And the police activity and searches don’t really show them searching anywhere in particular which could link with any potential story he might have given?

 

[Strontium69]

I was thinking the same. But although the leap from perv to murderer might be a big one, the leap from perv to "accidental " murderer could be a small one. Especially if he was putting himself in high risk situations.

I thought before that his crimes so far were quite small time, but looking at them all together the guys like a one man perv machine!

Yes, exactly my thoughts on that part 100%.

BUT...

How does one man alone who has accidentally escalated to physical harm... make that new crime entirely disappear WITHOUT TRACE, after we have so much evidence of his previous crimes? The two sets of crime profiles DO NOT MATCH. PR as a petty burglar/creep/voyeur is not the same PR who has made a young woman disappear along with any physical evidence.

The Police don't even have a working theory. Their hypothesis for believing he abducted Libby could be based on nothing more than his admission that she was in his car, and that is the last known sighting of her.

It's not as if they have stated that he abducted her by car, has taken her way, is part of a trafficking operation? No. So far as we know, they have nothing.

They spent a week looking for a body in the pond and the river and the woods. Then they stopped looking for a body and started looking for clues/physical traces, as well as sporadic 'body searches'.

Why would they want to charge PR with abduction if they think her body is in the park/river? (I know they have to cross off all possibilities...).

The Police believe she was abducted, but that she was in the park at some point. I don' think the Police think she was abducted INTO the park, she was abducted AWAY from the park.

Do we know what it was that brought PR to the Police attention? What led to his arrest for Libby's abduction?

 

[Vermont24]

Do we know what it was that brought PR to the Police attention? What led to his arrest for Libby's abduction?

His car being caught on CCTV and all that followed, surely?

 

[Joolz1975]

Yes, exactly my thoughts on that part 100%.

BUT...

How does one man alone who has accidentally escalated to physical harm... make that new crime entirely disappear WITHOUT TRACE, after we have so much evidence of his previous crimes? The two sets of crime profiles DO NOT MATCH. PR as a petty burglar/creep/voyeur is not the same PR who has made a young woman disappear along with any physical evidence.

The Police don't even have a working theory. Their hypothesis for believing he abducted Libby could be based on nothing more than his admission that she was in his car, and that is the last known sighting of her.

It's not as if they have stated that he abducted her by car, has taken her way, is part of a trafficking operation? No. So far as we know, they have nothing.

They spent a week looking for a body in the pond and the river and the woods. Then they stopped looking for a body and started looking for clues/physical traces, as well as sporadic 'body searches'.

Why would they want to charge PR with abduction if they think her body is in the park/river? (I know they have to cross off all possibilities...).

The Police believe she was abducted, but that she was in the park at some point. I don' think the Police think she was abducted INTO the park, she was abducted AWAY from the park.

Do we know what it was that brought PR to the Police attention? What led to his arrest for Libby's abduction?

Her getting into his car on the Haworth St footage never to be seen again??

I expect they thought they would find a car full of forensic evidence and found zilch?

 

[PaddyOreally?]

Yes, exactly my thoughts on that part 100%.

BUT...

How does one man alone who has accidentally escalated to physical harm... make that new crime entirely disappear WITHOUT TRACE, after we have so much evidence of his previous crimes? The two sets of crime profiles DO NOT MATCH. PR as a petty burglar/creep/voyeur is not the same PR who has made a young woman disappear along with any physical evidence.

The Police don't even have a working theory. Their hypothesis for believing he abducted Libby could be based on nothing more than his admission that she was in his car, and that is the last known sighting of her.

It's not as if they have stated that he abducted her by car, has taken her way, is part of a trafficking operation? No. So far as we know, they have nothing.

They spent a week looking for a body in the pond and the river and the woods. Then they stopped looking for a body and started looking for clues/physical traces, as well as sporadic 'body searches'.

Why would they want to charge PR with abduction if they think her body is in the park/river? (I know they have to cross off all possibilities...).

The Police believe she was abducted, but that she was in the park at some point. I don' think the Police think she was abducted INTO the park, she was abducted AWAY from the park.

Do we know what it was that brought PR to the Police attention? What led to his arrest for Libby's abduction?

I have no idea!

She could have ran out of his car and he chased her into the park and tried to stop her screaming and ended up suffocating her, and then put her in the river? And then just got lucky with them not finding the body?

But there are way too many strange things in this case! I thought they thought she was abducted from Haworth st.?

I think the police are at a loss with this because there's no physical evidence so they're just trying their best with what they have.

We don't know what brought pr to the polices attention. But I'm assuming it was them checking CCTV near Libby's last known sighting and then maybe seeing him on it?

 

[Mommysleuth11]

I still believe the police MUST have CCTV of LS and PR leaving Bev Rd to Haworth St initially on foot else why would they have searched all houses on Haworth St.
I think they came accross spidercam footage after. The abduction charge suggests to me they have seen some element of force/coercion in that *unseen* footage.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Do we know what it was that brought PR to the Police attention? What led to his arrest for Libby's abduction?

We don't know at this stage. Maybe he rang police the night it happened to say a girl had run off into the dark/park on her own. Maybe he rang when he realised he'd given a lift to the girl in the newspapers. Maybe his wife rang and said she had suspicions about his behaviour that night. Maybe he didn't ring at all and they tracked him down.Who knows!!

 

[Vermont24]

We don't know at this stage. Maybe he rang police the night it happened to say a girl had run off into the dark/park on her own. Maybe he rang when he realised he'd given a lift to the girl in the newspapers. Maybe his wife rang and said she had suspicions about his behaviour that night. Maybe he didn't ring at all and they tracked him down.Who knows!!

I don't see a person with as many skeletons in the closet as PR calling the police.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

I also think his pattern of offending shows a lot about his character. He is someone who i would consider very dangerous to women, step up in crimes or not.

 

[Vermont24]

I'd be very surprised if PR hadn't already driven by Welly a couple of times - and since been seen on CCTV doing so. No, I'm not suggesting he stalked LS specifically, because that doesn't make any sense given all the different permutations of that night, but I'm certain he didn't spend his night parked up on Haworth St.

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

Vermont- the closest 24 hour garage i can think of to Bev rd area is Dunswell sewell? I have been through that in my mind. Can you think of anywhere closer? Is Tesco Hall rd 24 hours?

Theres one down Beverley Road between Lambert and Grafton Street

 

[Vermont24]

Theres one down Beverley Road between Lambert and Grafton Street

That's the one I linked to earlier.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

That garage totally escaped me for some reason.

Vermont - do you think its possible PR saw LS from the opposite side of Bev Rd?
I picture in my mind him spotting her when hes heading into Hull, then snaking round and back into Haworth st from Cott rd to make his grab.

 

[Vermont24]

That garage totally escaped me for some reason.

Vermont - do you think its possible PR saw LS from the opposite side of Bev Rd?
I picture in my mind him spotting her when hes heading into Hull, then snaking round and back into Haworth st from Cott rd to make his grab.

Not a clue, but the bench is clearly visible from the opposite side. LE will have worked backwards from spidercam though, and pieced together where else PR had been that night.

I think rather than coming 'back' into Hull, he's probably spent some time driving or on foot around the Beresford area, given his 'familiarity' with it. This may be the point at which he saw LS.

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

It was.... just a little quip about how many locals are here

We're everywhere.

This is a local place for local people

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I don't see a person with as many skeletons in the closet as PR calling the police.

Me neither! Professional suicide. His wife might have, though.