Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #13 *ARREST*

[CoverMeCagney]

Actually have the police ever mentioned the spidercam?

Nope. Except with the inference that Libby was last seen at 12:09 which so happens to be the exact same time the car pulled away.

 

[Skigh]

The original ITV footage certainly reported 20 minutes of suspicious activity.

 

[jessie]

Oh. The video I watched loinked up thread I had seen before - it was the reporter who mentioned the cyclist and the car.

Actually have the police ever mentioned the spidercam?

NOPE - spidercam has never been referred to by the police. The only police statement I believe has been Libby was seen at the junction of BeversfordRd/Haworth Street.

 

[TheCasual]

The Libby case has completely changed me and made me a lot more aware.

I walked home drunk from my mates at about 5 am this morning.

I've had quite a lot to drink. but I was so aware. I saw 4 people, including one on a bike.

 

[Enquirer-2019]

I was just about to say that. If Greybeard was caught on a mobile cam, then it doesn't follow that PR (if it was he) would be seen at the same spot.

I've said before - I think the most likely reason that Greybeard stopped is that Libby had fallen over. She might even have fallen in the road itself. We know from witnesses that she fell over earlier, and it was an icy night. There must have been a very strong reason for stopping the car, and seeing an interaction between two people is unlikely to have been enough.

Or he may have stopped simply because he saw she couldn't stand straight, appeared intoxicated, wearing a skirt, young and alone. Being a wise individual equated a high risk to her safety, and being of good morals stepped in to check....are you okay?, Can I help....ect. My point being, she may not have necessarily fallen, to rouse concern.

 

[Enquirer-2019]

Going outside is safe. Committing sexually deviant crimes such as voyeurism, masturbating in the street and burglary and then being the last person to see a vulnerable young girl alive is a different kettle of fish.

Brilliant!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

The original ITV footage certainly reported 20 minutes of suspicious activity.

I definitely do not recall the word suspicious being used at all. Would be very interested to see that footage if anyone has it, please.

Here's the ITV footage: ITV News exclusive: CCTV captures car activity minutes before student Libby Squire was last seen in Hull

The reporter says "the car was here for approximately 20 minutes before it drove off down this road at exactly the same time that's it's believed Libby disappeared"

 

[Lincoln34]

Brilliant!

Quite! If you want to look at the sentencing guidelines for the offences currently charged them see Sentencing
Innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of our system, but, if proven - serious offences.

 

[Katykins]

Cagney, the Hull Live timeline in an updated article from yesterday says there is CCTV showing LS on the bench. I know it’s Hull Live not LE saying it, but you’d hope at this stage they would be very careful about what they report (although no guarantee of course). It wouldn’t be much of a leap to think the same CCTV also captured LS and grey beard near the Beverley/Beresford junction given that it’s opposite the bench. Police appealed for grey beard to come forward around 5.20pm on the Friday and by 10.30pm that night they confirmed that he had and had “really helped”.

Can locals give an idea of which CCTV may have seen LS on the bench? Across the road at Blush? Hopefully LE also have the full interaction between PR and LS (if it was PR, JMO)

Libby Squire: What happens next in police homicide investigation

 

[Enquirer-2019]

I definitely do not recall the word suspicious being used at all. Would be very interested to see that footage if anyone has it, please.

Here's the ITV footage: ITV News exclusive: CCTV captures car activity minutes before student Libby Squire was last seen in Hull

The reporter says "the car was here for approximately 20 minutes before it drove off down this road at exactly the same time that's it's believed Libby disappeared"

The video I linked a few pages back, the commentator states suspicious activity as they introduce the footage, but no reference to 20 mins.

 

[Woollybear]

Google Maps

Just googled Paull and it doesn't look that hard to get the shore of that huge river.
Town End Road, for example.

There are loads of places in Holderness where you can get to the bank of the River Humber and many of them are deserted, which would make it ideal for someone wanting to dispose of a body, except for the fact that the first thing that faces you when you do get there is 20 yards of mud flats before you can even get to the edge of the shallow water.

Someone posted earlier that they were surprised that the body had taken so long to get from Paull across to Grimsby Roads but bear in mind the Humber is tidal both ways, ie the tide flows up it and down it, twice a day, so it's quite conceivable that LS was even washed back upstream, before eventually somehow getting into the deep water channel.

As I said last night, if I wanted to dispose of something into the River Hull (not the best option in my opinion anyway, because that is also full of mud but I don't suppose there was much option but to improvise) out of the way of the prying eyes of CTV, I'd choose somewhere like Wincolmlee to do it from, but even then it's dodgy. Mind you, that assumes that the perpetrator would have to have loaded her back into the car because he would have had to drive there from where he allegedly picked her up.

 

[Cherwell]

Or he may have stopped simply because he saw she couldn't stand straight, appeared intoxicated, wearing a skirt, young and alone. Being a wise individual equated a high risk to her safety, and being of good morals stepped in to check....are you okay?, Can I help....ect. My point being, she may not have necessarily fallen, to rouse concern.

Well, it's possible of course, but men tend to avoid getting involved in those sort of situations with young women, I don't think I need to explain why.
Falling, on the other hand, means that she might have been hurt, or if she did fall in the road might cause an accident and result in more serious injury.
Why are you so reluctant to think that she fell? She had already fallen over, and it was probably slippery underfoot anyway.

 

[Skigh]

Would PR risk the chance of being seen carrying Libby back to his car when he could use the cover of darkness in the park to reach the river there.

 

[Enquirer-2019]

Quite! If you want to look at the sentencing guidelines for the offences currently charged them see Sentencing
Innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of our system, but, if proven - serious offences.

Are you telling me to be quiet @Lincoln34 ? I am confused by your comment...Are you saying I can not show appreciation of or commend a comment because you don't agree with it? If so why not respond to the ORIGINAL comment, instead of my appreciation of it? Also to respond 'Quite!' with exclamation marks, to a simple worded reply of 'Brilliant' from me, is a very hostile introduction to each other.>

 

[CoverMeCagney]

The video I linked a few pages back, the commentator states suspicious activity as they introduce the footage, but no reference to 20 mins.

Ok found it. She says "footage obtained by ITV News appears to show suspicious activity on this connecting side street"

I would have thought the suspicious activity is someone getting into that car. They have cut the first 10 minutes or so (which I assume shows nothing or PR is not near the car, perhaps he is talking to Libby) and the couple of minutes she said he was seen smoking.

 

[Lincoln34]

Are you telling me to be quiet @Lincoln34 ? I am confused by your comment...Are you saying I can not show appreciation of or commend a comment because you don't agree with it? If so why not respond to the ORIGINAL comment, instead of my appreciation of it? Also to respond 'Quite!' with exclamation marks, to a simple worded reply of 'Brilliant' from me, is a very hostile introduction to each other.>

No. I meant I agreed with you

 

[CoverMeCagney]

No. I meant I agreed with you

Yes that was how I read it, too.

Welcome, by the way!

 

[Enquirer-2019]

Well, it's possible of course, but men tend to avoid getting involved in those sort of situations with young women, I don't think I need to explain why.
Falling, on the other hand, means that she might have been hurt, or if she did fall in the road might cause an accident and result in more serious injury.
Why are you so reluctant to think that she fell? She had already fallen over, and it was probably slippery underfoot anyway.

I see your point, but am equally confident that many would be comfortable enough to ask on a public road, in front of passing traffic ect if she's okay.


The possibilities that she fell near the bench are 50/50, as a few comments circulated that she may have, I wanted to consider the alternative also.

 

[Vermont24]

Like a million times!!!

Thanks, I appreciate the affirmation.

Reading the comments over here the last few weeks, and without wishing to minimise, we all have a Libby, don't we? She's the child who lives away from home and doesn't call as much as we'd like, or the friend who is going in the opposite direction at the end of the night.

 

[jessie]

There are loads of places in Holderness where you can get to the bank of the River Humber and many of them are deserted, which would make it ideal for someone wanting to dispose of a body, except for the fact that the first thing that faces you when you do get there is 20 yards of mud flats before you can even get to the edge of the shallow water.

Someone posted earlier that they were surprised that the body had taken so long to get from Paull across to Grimsby Roads but bear in mind the Humber is tidal both ways, ie the tide flows up it and down it, twice a day, so it's quite conceivable that LS was even washed back upstream, before eventually somehow getting into the deep water channel.

As I said last night, if I wanted to dispose of something into the River Hull (notthe Oak Park area. the best option in my opinion anyway, because that is also full of mud but I don't suppose there was much option but to improvise) out of the way of the prying eyes of CTV, I'd choose somewhere like Wincolmlee to do it from, but even then it's dodgy. Mind you, that assumes that the perpetrator would have to have loaded her back into the car because he would have had to drive there from where he allegedly picked her up.

So difficult for me as I am not local - but could you explain the Wimcolmlee reference please? Where is that?

I can only go by the tidal flows from the area plod have been searching around the Oak Road area, and Kolumbo/Strontium have provided excellent refernces to those.