Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #14 *ARREST*

[EricaAmbrose1]

Agree Zazie .I see what you mean about the bike rider.PR (and agree it's very lptobably him ) sat aware of the other car until it drove off. Just chance the other car left when it did . Everything chance and what if even when planning something .

 

[Zazie]

I was curious about the tall wall that runs along Beverley Rd: it encloses the Endsleigh Centre, the grounds of which back onto the Haworth St houses. This is a Catholic retreat which has a labyrinth in the garden for walking meditation. Just mentioning out of interest, as a place of healing/meditation just yards from where Libby disappeared. The Institute of Our Lady of Mercy | Hull - Endsleigh Centre

 

[Winterbells]

If Libby didn't have a key to get in, she may have not realised until after she'd got out of the cab. I know she allegedly fell over and the cab driver helped her, but even at that point she may have believed she had her key. It's really unclear from the witnesses description of her actions in her street whether she approached her front door, then turned away, or whether she didn't bother approaching it, but realising she had no key post the cab driver leaving is the only explanation I can think of for why she didn't go inside her house.

 

[Vermont24]

It's 2019. Sex toys aren't niche.

 

[Vermont24]

Thanks! And @Vermont24. I was just trying to get a feel for the area and, having dealt with a drunk friend all too often, I know logic goes out the window.

You're right. Sometimes the routes we take are more habitual than rational. It's easy to overlook that when trying to piece something like this together.

 

[Audiohoney]

I’m late thirties, female and single. PR would have a field day rifling through my bedside cabinet! Same goes for the private drawers of my mates homes. Most of whom are married with families. In fact one friend announced on a night out last month that she’d never owned a ‘rabbit’ we were so shocked I think somebody ordered one for her online there and then!

My point is, Ann Summers parties are rather outdated. You can buy this stuff online and some companies even run adverts on daytime tv! There’s no taboo like there maybe once was. It would be more unusual IMO to find a ladies bedroom without any of this stuff. You certainly don’t need to work in the sex industry to have a drawer full.

I do like the theory of him walking into parties uninvited though. Trespass certainly. Voyeurism possibly and the thrill of hanging around the kind of girls he’s fantasied about. He looks young so wouldn’t appear too out of place. And an easy way to go noseying around girls bedrooms perhaps.

 

[Vermont24]

I’m late thirties, female and single. PR would have a field day rifling through my bedside cabinet! Same goes for the private drawers of my mates homes. Most of whom are married with families. In fact one friend announced on a night out last month that she’d never owned a ‘rabbit’ we were so shocked I think somebody ordered one for her online there and then!

My point is, Ann Summers parties are rather outdated. You can buy this stuff online and some companies even run adverts on daytime tv! There’s no taboo like there maybe once was. It would be more unusual IMO to find a ladies bedroom without any of this stuff. You certainly don’t need to work in the sex industry to have a drawer full.

I do like the theory of him walking into parties uninvited though. Trespass certainly. Voyeurism possibly and the thrill of hanging around the kind of girls he’s fantasied about. He looks young so wouldn’t appear too out of place. And an easy way to go noseying around girls bedrooms perhaps.

I'll be surprised if vibrators haven't adorned the centre aisle of Aldi.

 

[motherofdaughters]

Spot on about finding all such items in a bedroom drawer perhaps from then on its easy target the same places in other houses when trespassing and true the availability to buy such items online and high street shops.

unless you have kids and then you have to get creative about where you put them or they ask if you’ve bought a new dog toy.
Totally didn’t happen to us, it was a friend, I swear....

 

[Miss_French]

If Libby didn't have a key to get in, she may have not realised until after she'd got out of the cab. I know she allegedly fell over and the cab driver helped her, but even at that point she may have believed she had her key. It's really unclear from the witnesses description of her actions in her street whether she approached her front door, then turned away, or whether she didn't bother approaching it, but realising she had no key post the cab driver leaving is the only explanation I can think of for why she didn't go inside her house.

I think because it was reported as "she got out and was walking down the street" it's assumed Libby didn't approach the house and immediately set off in another direction.

 

[Audiohoney]

I'll be surprised if vibrators haven't adorned the centre aisle of Aldi.

That’s the bench mark for classic mainstream You know your products made it when ... !! Although tastefully marketed as ‘intimate massage wand’ of course!

 

[Audiohoney]

unless you have kids and then you have to get creative about where you put them or they ask if you’ve bought a new dog toy.
Totally didn’t happen to us, it was a friend, I swear....

The embarrassment of your ‘friends’ friends coming over for dinner with their new puppy and your ... sorry THEIR ... child coming downstairs with a dog toy for the guest pooch!!!!

 

[Skigh]

Or unknown to you takes it to school for show and tell

 

[TheCasual]

I’m late thirties, female and single. PR would have a field day rifling through my bedside cabinet! Same goes for the private drawers of my mates homes. Most of whom are married with families. In fact one friend announced on a night out last month that she’d never owned a ‘rabbit’ we were so shocked I think somebody ordered one for her online there and then!

My point is, Ann Summers parties are rather outdated. You can buy this stuff online and some companies even run adverts on daytime tv! There’s no taboo like there maybe once was. It would be more unusual IMO to find a ladies bedroom without any of this stuff. You certainly don’t need to work in the sex industry to have a drawer full.

I do like the theory of him walking into parties uninvited though. Trespass certainly. Voyeurism possibly and the thrill of hanging around the kind of girls he’s fantasied about. He looks young so wouldn’t appear too out of place. And an easy way to go noseying around girls bedrooms perhaps.

As male with a few younger female friends I can confirm they all have 'interesting' items in there draws and they're not shy about telling you

 

[Audiohoney]

As male with a few younger female friends I can confirm they all have 'interesting' items in there draws and they're not shy about telling you

Probably to see you blush Yep I don’t think sex toys are rare, taboo or niche these days so PR would not have to target specific homes. Aside from there being adult females living there. And who’s to say he didn’t get the wrong house plenty of times too and leave empty handed.

I also think that there will be unreported crimes he’s committed. Not necessarily out of embarrassment, but more confusion of ‘did I misplace it or has it gone missing?!’ My last thought would be that someone might nick my knickers and sex toys! No sign of a break in would leave me questioning my own mind and probably not reporting it as theft.

 

[ilovechili]

That is an interesting point.I always sit in the back seat in a taxi.
if she was being forced into the car I would have thought she would have screamed.

This is years ago but I remember always getting into the back of a cab. I then never rode in one for many years as I lived in a town without cab or taxi service. Nowadays I use them more and get right in the front as do most I know. If two of us, one gets in the front, the other in the back. We use Uber, Yellow Cab and more. This is in the USA though. I never considered getting in the front, however, never ever, until out with a far younger friend who did so. I think it is quite common with the younger generation and not uncommon nowadays, it was being with a younger friend before i realized one could ride in the front in any cab.

This may vary of course in different countries and maybe depending on city size. It is quite common where I am however. I also watch others do the same, climbing in front.

 

[Newthoughts]

I’m late thirties, female and single. PR would have a field day rifling through my bedside cabinet! Same goes for the private drawers of my mates homes. Most of whom are married with families. In fact one friend announced on a night out last month that she’d never owned a ‘rabbit’ we were so shocked I think somebody ordered one for her online there and then!

My point is, Ann Summers parties are rather outdated. You can buy this stuff online and some companies even run adverts on daytime tv! There’s no taboo like there maybe once was. It would be more unusual IMO to find a ladies bedroom without any of this stuff. You certainly don’t need to work in the sex industry to have a drawer full.

I do like the theory of him walking into parties uninvited though. Trespass certainly. Voyeurism possibly and the thrill of hanging around the kind of girls he’s fantasied about. He looks young so wouldn’t appear too out of place. And an easy way to go noseying around girls bedrooms perhaps.

He'd stick out like a sore thumb in more ways than one. He isn't a student and nobody would know him. Don't think he'd control himself enough not to get hit. His face would be known to students and there is no evidence it is.

I think planning burglaries is just an extension of voyeurism. A girl is dead his charges are quite disturbing. I don't see him as a cheeky chappie blagging his way to free cider with a few sex toys as a bonus.

 

[Newthoughts]

Yes, I speculated that she might have had some medication that clashed with alcohol.
But it's the level of her confusion that matters, not the cause of it. How aware she was, and how clearly she was able to think.

She could have just had too much to drink. I got drunk as a student. I've got drunk on a couple of occasions since. Nothing sinister. No issues. No medication. No problems with alcohol. Just not noticing how much I'd had to drink.

 

[gravyh]

He'd stick out like a sore thumb in more ways than one. He isn't a student and nobody would know him. Don't think he'd control himself enough not to get hit. His face would be known to students and there is no evidence it is.

I think planning burglaries is just an extension of voyeurism. A girl is dead his charges are quite disturbing. I don't see him as a cheeky chappie blagging his way to free cider with a few sex toys as a bonus.

Yep, as a student myself (third year at a northern UK uni), I'm not buying the idea that he managed to walk into house parties and sneak upstairs to the bedrooms. Non-students stick out like a sore thumb, particularly as he's Polish (no judgement, just stating fact!) he would be more noticeable and people would realise they don't know him. Maybe the circles I hang around with are more cautious but I cannot for one second imagine that someone who nobody knows would even get two paces past the front door.

Anyway, back to writing my dissertation

 

[Mommysleuth11]

She could have just had too much to drink. I got drunk as a student. I've got drunk on a couple of occasions since. Nothing sinister. No issues. No medication. No problems with alcohol. Just not noticing how much I'd had to drink.

I have to agree with this. I have no issues, drink infrequently as an adult although much more when i was younger. The rare occasions i do drink i 'can handle' a few. But i managed to get 'that' drunk just last year. 'That' drunk i annoyed my husband, and friends and woke up in the morning with no recollection of even getting into bed. There are so many factors that allow the most normal of us to occassionally pass the post between happy merry and blackout drunk without that being the intention or realising that is where we are headed.

 

[Vermont24]

I have to agree with this. I have no issues, drink infrequently as an adult although much more when i was younger. The rare occasions i do drink i 'can handle' a few. But i managed to get 'that' drunk just last year. 'That' drunk i annoyed my husband, and friends and woke up in the morning with no recollection of even getting into bed. There are so many factors that allow the most normal of us to occassionally pass the post between happy merry and blackout drunk without that being the intention or realising that is where we are headed.

Agreed. It was quite possibly their first night out together en masse since coming back to Hull following the Christmas break - the winter/spring term began on Jan 28th. That much was suggested by her friend's quote at the time:

“On Thursday night she was a bit drunk and she was hugging everyone saying it was nice the group was back together.'

Libby Squire's friend speaks about the night she disappeared

[ @gravyh remember to correctly cite your sources in that dissertation. Harvard referencing, naturally ]

It'd be easy to get caught up in the joviality of the occasion and have a bit too much to drink. I'm not convinced there's a reason to pathologise or look for aggravating factors beyond that.