UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #20

[Winterbells]

Because he was the last person to be with her when she died, because he removed her from a place where she was vulnerable but alive and took her to a place where she died, because he has a known background of being a risk to women then she's in his company and dies, because all of the forensic evidence puts no one else with her only him, right up to the point she died

Of course, you're right, but I'm concerned that a jury might not convict on probabilities alone.

 

[JusticeDT]

Thanks jimjam

 

[mrjitty]

He was that concerned that he pleasured himself and watched porn? He was that concerned he only spent 4 minuites in the park 'searching' for her. He was that concerned when a friend said to tell the police he said it wasn't her. His actions after say to me he knew where libby was and he knew she wasn't alive.

This is my biggest issue with the defence case

It seems clear he knew Libby wouldn't turn up within a day or so

 

[LucyRocket]

Let me be clear, I believe he's guilty on all counts. But there's no evidence that he's responsible for Libby's death. There's evidence that he was with her before she died and that his semen entered her body at some point, but he is surely going to argue, through his counsel, that she left him, alive and on foot and that he returned later because he was concerned about her and she wasn't around. How she ended up dead and in the river is a mystery to PR.

This doesn't sway me for one moment. Who the hell has a sexual encounter with a complete stranger (frequent occurrence, this part is completely normal), you part ways perfectly amicably, go home, have a chat with your wife and a bath (still normal and believable to this point), but THEN, 2 hours after your 7 minutes with a stranger, you are really worried about them and go back to the spot you'd seen them walk away perfectly well and assuming they're going home........ why? How on earth would you think they'd still be there? Hanging around alone in a secluded park? There's no reasonable explanation there. YET. We haven't heard him or his representation yet

 

[Sally4x]

Straw poll? On the jury, guilty or not guilty?

It's guilty for me at this point.

At this stage guilty.

 

[Skigh]

As the prosecution case has finished there must not have been anything else of interest on his computer or phone.

 

[Vera_dci]

GUILTY without reasonable doubt.

 

[LucyRocket]

Please let's not bicker. I'm still trying to bleach away the image of his cellular debris

 

[JusticeDT]

As the prosecution case has finished there must not have been anything else of interest on his computer or phone.

Yes I agree I thought we might have heard about search history.

 

[Winterbells]

If I was on the jury I'd be voting 'guilty', based on 'I wasn't born yesterday'.

 

[stephaniejanes]

Definitely guilty. Here's some reasons why:

- his apparently aimless driving around the area (i would think prowling)
- stalking Libby around endsleigh
- waiting for witnesses to go before loading into car
- character / past offences (come on - he is a deviant sexual offender clearly escalating)
- lies to police / varying stories
- multiple stories to friends
- scratches on face with multiple excuses
- grass stains on jeans
- screams going on for minutes, then running from the park after they stop
- return to park for 4 mins - why not search longer?! Also she apparently walked down the street, why would she be back at park?
- Libby's vulnerable state
- apparently missing underwear
- DNA proving rape
- cleaning his car unusually on a snowy day
- drone over park day prior
- masturbating on street hours later
- porn sites after seeing Libby
- apparently understanding what she was saying when native English speakers said she made no sense with slurring
- lack of evidence of drowning / hypothermia - seems many sexual offenders are into strangulation / suffocation so I assume one of these were true COD but evidence is hard to show
- potential arm and thigh bruises / contusions
- scratches on his face

 

[Newthoughts]

Let me be clear, I believe he's guilty on all counts. But there's no evidence that he's responsible for Libby's death. There's evidence that he was with her before she died and that his semen entered her body at some point, but he is surely going to argue, through his counsel, that she left him, alive and on foot and that he returned later because he was concerned about her and she wasn't around. How she ended up dead and in the river is a mystery to PR.

Listen to the prosecutors opening statements. Read between the lines of the expert witnesses. Libby was vulnerable. PR a sex offender. He prowls the area for hours . Stalks her. Takes her to a park. Rapes her. Goes back at high tide.

Witnesses hear screams. Witnesses see him leave AFTER the screams stop. She doesn't show signs of drowning and tho it cannot be discounted the expert who has dealt with these cases for years say it would NOT be his likely conclusion.

Another expert says had she been alive she would not have instantly died of hypothermia on falling in a river fully conscious. She doesn't scream on falling into this river despite having screamed earlier.
His expert analysis allows time to drown. Yet no signs.

His analysis of her body temp from evidence does not suggest she was cold enough to die just to be impaired

The rapist then lies to police constantly.

How much evidence do you think is missing cos that really looks like beyond all reasonable doubt to me. She would not be in that river if PR had left her. In all likelihood she'd be starting her first job. Moving into her first non student house. Living with get boyfriend.

 

[Vera_dci]

Another poll :

Will he take the stand?

My gut says yes as I think he still believes he can talk his way out of it

 

[Alyce]

Straw poll? On the jury, guilty or not guilty?

It's guilty for me at this point.

Yes, 100%.

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

Straw Pole

Guilty

 

[Offaly]

Straw poll? On the jury, guilty or not guilty?

It's guilty for me at this point.

It's guilty from me too (both for rape and murder).

 

[Newthoughts]

Straw poll? On the jury, guilty or not guilty?

It's guilty for me at this point.

Guilty

 

[Sooty]

I'm surprised such detailed forensics from a completely different case which he has already been found guilty of has been allowed? Will have a profound effect on the jury

and witness statements

 

[JusticeDT]

Another poll :

Will he take the stand?

My gut says yes as I think he still believes he can talk his way out of it

Interestingly I can see this going either way. He is surely brazen enough but would be a train wreck. I hope he does and I hope the cross examining is brutal.

 

[JosieJo]

As the prosecution case has finished there must not have been anything else of interest on his computer or phone.

True ..no searches regards death tides etc

No yeast factory cctv also