UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #20

[JosieJo]

I measured it on Google maps it is approx 530 metres

Just measured again ...the route marked is 546 metres...obviously we don't know what route he took but that's just basing on the prosecution measurements and the witness saying it sounded like top left of pond

 

[Vermont24]

I measured it on Google maps it is approx 530 metres

Could you screenshot it please? I'm doing the same - some of the routes I'm testing are 500ft, but nowhere near 500m.

 

[Vermont24]

Just measured again ...the route marked is 546 metres...obviously we don't know what route he took but that's just basing on the prosecution measurements and the witness saying it sounded like top left of pond

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Thanks. I'm going off the route I'd take, straight up the path and through the trees to the embankment.

 

[mrjitty]

I suspect that has been misreported, unless it includes the journey from a parked car on Beresford Avenue. There's obviously variations depending on route, but even the furthest possible distance across the playing fields isn't much more than 300m.

Agree - everything really depends on where he might have parked

 

[Legally Bland]

530 meters according to prosecution

350'ish.

11:56
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The jury is now being shown a map and an aerial photograph of the playing fields. It is 354.9 metres from Oak Road to the River Hull across the playing fields.

Pawel Relowicz on trial for murder of Hull student Libby Squire

UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 *ARREST* #18

 

[JosieJo]

I measured it on Google maps it is approx 530 metres

Just measured again ...the rote marked is 546 metres...obviously we don't know what route he took but that's just basing on the prosecution measurements and the witness saying it sounded like top left of pond

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350'ish.



UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 *ARREST* #18
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Have I got my figures wrong way round?

 

[JosieJo]

Just measured again ...the rote marked is 546 metres...obviously we don't know what route he took but that's just basing on the prosecution measurements and the witness saying it sounded like top left of pond

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Have I got my figures wrong way round?

The route ive pinned out definitely measured 546m on Google maps

 

[JosieJo]

I apologise for wrong info I hate that

350 measures up as the shortest distance as the crow flies which must have been their reference

 

[Vermont24]

I apologise for wrong info I hate that

350 measures up as the shortest distance as the crow flies which must have been their reference View attachment 280911

No need to apologise, and it isn't 'wrong'. It does make me wonder, though, if the prosecution has knowledge of a fairly specific point on the river bank which may not have come across in the reporting.

edit: I'm using the entrances to the immediate left of the car park and further to the right as my starting points

 

[JosieJo]

No need to apologise, and it isn't 'wrong'. It does make me wonder, though, if the prosecution has knowledge of a fairly specific point on the river bank which may not have come across in the reporting.

edit: I'm using the entrances to the immediate left of the car park and further to the right as my starting points

Yes ..im gutted we didn't hear a lot more from the prosecution around route and timings

 

[JosieJo]

350'ish.



UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 *ARREST* #18
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Thanks for finding that

 

[Alyce]

I measured it on Google maps it is approx 530 metres

its 350 max.. as was quoted in the trial

 

[Winterbells]

Even if he didn’t actively kill Libby, he caused her serious harm in that park, by raping her and then abandoning her, injured, freezing cold, confused and totally vulnerable. He couldn’t have expected her to survive. That, in my view, means he is the cause of her death, however she ended up in the river. I can’t remember the wording of the definition of murder, but I’m pretty sure this meets the criteria.

 

[JosieJo]

its 350 max.. as was quoted in the trial

Thanks yes got my 5 and 3 the wrong way round ..its 350 as the crow flies 540 following path to top left of pond (boathouse) then up the track to the river edge

 

[JosieJo]

Even if he didn’t actively kill Libby, he caused her serious harm in that park, by raping her and then abandoning her, injured, freezing cold, confused and totally vulnerable. He couldn’t have expected her to survive. That, in my view, means he is the cause of her death, however she ended up in the river. I can’t remember the wording of the definition of murder, but I’m pretty sure this meets the criteria.

Its an awful thought isn't it leaving someone out to die like that

 

[Winterbells]

“The necessary intention exists if the defendant feels sure that death, or serious bodily harm, is a virtual certainty as a result of the defendant's actions and that the defendant appreciated that this was the case.”
Homicide: Murder and Manslaughter | The Crown Prosecution ServiceHomicide: Murder and Manslaughter | The Crown Prosecution Service

 

[Winterbells]

Its an awful thought isn't it leaving someone out to die like that

Unimaginable. He cannot possibly be ‘normal’ in any way.

 

[Winterbells]

Homicide: Murder and Manslaughter | The Crown Prosecution Service Under ‘alternative counts and verdicts’ it does appear that under certain circumstances, the jury could find him guilty of manslaughter. Too much to take in and summarise here, but worth a read.

 

[mrazda71]

I think IF the case at trial was that Libby had 'just' been raped and then was alive and at home following the rape (in the same circumstances ORPF etc ) there would be a lot of people, even jury members wary of convicting PR of rape because even today, societies (and some judges) views of drunk girls in short skirts is the focus of 'blame' instead of where it should be - deviant men!

(If it was up to me, all sex offenders and especially rapists and pedophiles wouldn't ever be releases into the public.)

But, Libby IS dead, and the jury will feel her death and their responsibility in their part in justice heavily on their shoulders.

The jury are seeing ALL evidence, hearing ALL testimony in person (not snippets or interpretations), they're not getting times or distances mixed up and having to flit back and forth and rely on badly written newspaper reports and they've heard just what kind of man PR is.

As @mrjitty says - PR & defence have offered no explanation for any of it - just blatant lies and no comment.

I am impatiently waiting to hear what defence there is coming this week ahead and hope that bad weather doesn't put a spanner in the works again.

 

[mrazda71]

Homicide: Murder and Manslaughter | The Crown Prosecution Service Under ‘alternative counts and verdicts’ it does appear that under certain circumstances, the jury could find him guilty of manslaughter. Too much to take in and summarise here, but worth a read.

Perhaps @mrjitty can give a layman's version?