Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #2

[LucyRocket]

Is it not very rare though for an arrest to not be made public...as in possible but very unlikely?

That's true. You usually hear 'police in Lancashire have made a further arrest in the case of. ........'

 

[LucyRocket]

Yes, that is all true over here as well, as far as LE goes. It's the press that digs up and reports everything from public record, neighbors, co-workers, friends, family and the pied piper. Which is obviously not a good thing if one is innocent. Freedom of the press is a double-edged sword, I suppose.

Not good if innocent but also not good with the aim of securing a sound verdict.
Because the UK is so sparsely populated compared to US, and stranger murders occur at a fraction they do in the US, and communities are far more connected than in the US, media reporting restrictions are strict in order to be able to conduct a legitimate trial. If I mentioned the most local murder to me in the last decade, I can bet you every single sleuther on here who is UK would not only know most of the details of the case, but also could say 'my great aunt went to the restaurant he worked in when she was there on holiday and she thought his manner was abrupt' or something along those lines. Even though we are opposite ends of the country

Edited to add: so it's not so much that we are nicer to our SUSPECTED criminals, but more that we need to keep all except what is necessary under wraps, in order to appoint a non- prejudiced jury panel, and avoid mis-trials and appeals, and secure sound convictions

 

[LucyRocket]

A genuinely palpable account, which put me in the witness box again!

I often felt that to the barristers is was a battle of their adversarial talents and ego's....not the cold hard reality of what took place on that day or night many months previously.

Me too

Ooof

 

[LucyRocket]

Thank you for your kind words.

It was your description of how the defence would question about knowledge of procedure or policy if there was a slight error.

They would build on it and create self-doubt if one wasn't resolute and confident and all in an effort to discredit the officer and their evidence.

It made me relive some challenging experiences....so thanks for that

Yes me too. I felt the initial pressure when reading. Of when they throw a challenge at you that is uncalled for (and from our seat, unprofessional), and you know you have to respond. I can't help but feel the pressure, and even feel like the bad girl under interrogation. Then I realise they're kind of like actors in my eyes, with their own agenda, and very cleverly meant to make me feel that way. And I pull my professional socks up and carry on.

And when I'm stood down promptly take myself off to the bathroom and cry my eyes out. Like lifting the lid off a pressure cooker

 

[CharlestonGal]

Yes me too. I felt the initial pressure when reading. Of when they throw a challenge at you that is uncalled for (and from our seat, unprofessional), and you know you have to respond. I can't help but feel the pressure, and even feel like the bad girl under interrogation. Then I realise they're kind of like actors in my eyes, with their own agenda, and very cleverly meant to make me feel that way. And I pull my professional socks up and carry on.

And when I'm stood down promptly take myself off to the bathroom and cry my eyes out. Like lifting the lid off a pressure cooker

That all sounds so stressful. I couldn't be a police officer - I'd be crying eyes out every day probably. Not to mention scared!

My sister is a deputy sheriff in another state. I worry about her constantly!

 

[Joolz1975]

That all sounds so stressful. I couldn't be a police officer - I'd be crying eyes out every day probably. Not to mention scared!

My sister is a deputy sheriff in another state. I worry about her constantly!

My daughters best friends dad is a DI in our local police force, he doesnt share stories though but I know he finds his job really tough at times.

I'd love it personally (or I think I would) but I definitely think you would have to be committed to work coming first and family life sometimes taking a back seat.

 

[Bluetooth]

There is some doubt over the motive. But in my view this was a random attack, potentially fuelled by mental illness (schizophrenia etc). This is supported by the fact that the defendant needed assistance at the pre-trial provided by a specialist 3rd party. Also this is unlikely to be premeditated as there was no specific murder weapon; knife etc - the victim was strangled.

 

[Sally4x]

There is some doubt over the motive. But in my view this was a random attack, potentially fuelled by mental illness (schizophrenia etc). This is supported by the fact that the defendant needed assistance at the pre-trial provided by a specialist 3rd party. Also this is unlikely to be premeditated as there was no specific murder weapon; knife etc - the victim was strangled.

Please can we be careful about blaming a crime on mental illness before we know any facts. I have a mental illness and would never commit a crime. It’s the same when they blame the mass shootings in the USA on mental illness as well.

The reason he had assistance from what I understood was because he was a minor - aged 16.

MOO

 

[Bampot]

I'm sure lots of us here have mental illnesses. But you maybe have to be careful not to be overly sensitive on the subject. We are all here speculating on heinous crimes and heinous individuals. So mental illnesses are mentioned at times, understandably.

 

[Bampot]

An example of intermediary services

Intermediary Services | Triangle

 

[Whitehall 1212]

There is some doubt over the motive. But in my view this was a random attack, potentially fuelled by mental illness (schizophrenia etc). This is supported by the fact that the defendant needed assistance at the pre-trial provided by a specialist 3rd party. Also this is unlikely to be premeditated as there was no specific murder weapon; knife etc - the victim was strangled.

My opinion is that unless you have professional clinical experience of mental health and it effects then you tread a somewhat dangerous path by putting forward such a view.

Bear in mind that statistically 25% of people will experience some mental health difficulty at some point during their life.

The basis of your supposition is definitely worth reconsidering.

 

[Bampot]

We are all here to speculate and newsflash we are not all experts.

 

[Bluetooth]

My opinion is that unless you have professional clinical experience of mental health and it effects then you tread a somewhat dangerous path by putting forward such a view.

Bear in mind that statistically 25% of people will experience some mental health difficulty at some point during their life.

The basis of your supposition is definitely worth reconsidering.

I didn’t mean to cause any offense with my post. All i really meant to say is that, LE have yet to suggest a motive. So i wanted to assess the possible reasons for this to have been a random attack, given the lack of an obvious murder weapon.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I didn’t mean to cause any offense with my post. All i really meant to say is that, LE have yet to suggest a motive. So i wanted to assess the possible reasons for this to have been a random attack, given the lack of an obvious murder weapon.

I've been pondering motive, as well. If this boy did commit this crime, he is obviously dangerous and something is wrong with him. Not dangerous in a mentally ill way necessarily; dangerous in a perhaps just plain evil way that we'll likely never fully understand.

We need to get better at identifying people like this and intervening before they hurt other people.

 

[JosieJo]

There is no denying Mental health is a very wide umbrella...but there is also no denying that one possible reason that a young person may perform a random attack is altered behaviour and thought process due to any number of severe types of Mental illness
I think mental illness is much wider recognised and more people realise there is a wide range of conditions many of which are very common and would not be relevant here
Personally I got the point of the post and took no offence

 

[LancashireLad]

12:00pm Uk today:
Police are still in Accrington cemetery at the bottom end near to the discovery site. They have got workmen clearing the bushes, over growth etc and are searching behind them as they clear. 2 sections that where once overgrown now look freshly cut back.

 

[Spender]

12:00pm Uk today:
Police are still in Accrington cemetery at the bottom end near to the discovery site. They have got workmen clearing the bushes, over growth etc and are searching behind them as they clear. 2 sections that where once overgrown now look freshly cut back.

Maybe the boys conscience has got the better of him now and he is revealing more about his hideous crime ....let’s hope so then the family can begin to get some closure.

 

[Emmalt]

There is some doubt over the motive. But in my view this was a random attack, potentially fuelled by mental illness (schizophrenia etc). This is supported by the fact that the defendant needed assistance at the pre-trial provided by a specialist 3rd party. Also this is unlikely to be premeditated as there was no specific murder weapon; knife etc - the victim was strangled.

This could be due to his age alone. Doesnt necessarily mean he has a mental illness

 

[CharlestonGal]

Maybe the boys conscience has got the better of him now and he is revealing more about his hideous crime ....let’s hope so then the family can begin to get some closure.

I was my understanding (and probably wrong) that police would have stopped questioning the lad when they laid charges? Or can he still be under questioning now? I'm confused on that point.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

I was my understanding (and probably wrong) that police would have stopped questioning the lad when they laid charges? Or can he still be under questioning now? I'm confused on that point.

Once a suspect has been charged with the offence under investigation, he should not be questioned further in relation to the offence, unless such questions are absolutely necessary in order to:

• Prevent or minimise harm or loss to some other person or to the public.
• Clarify an ambiguity in a previous answer or statement.
• Provide the suspect with an opportunity to comment on information concerning the offence which has since come to light where it is in the interests of justice to do so.

(Paragraph 16.5, PACE Code C (Revised))

If a suspect is to be interviewed again he should be cautioned again. He should also be reminded that he has a right to seek legal advice.

Terrorism legislation provides for application to the Crown Court for further interview after charge.