Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #4

[Becky53]

I don't want to post the CCTV as that would identify him, but he's walking away from the coppice towards the corner of Burnley Road and Whitewell Road.

I believe she was in the bin in the footage shown but at the time it was released on the 27th Aug 19 they were unaware that this is how she had been moved.

A video shows a man walking along Burnley Road towards Accrington at about 2.30pm on August 17 - 12 days after Lindsay disappeared - pulling a blue wheelie bin.

The bin is similar to one found near to where Lindsay's body was discovered at Accrington Cemetery.

Police say that after passing this camera the man turns down Whitewell Road towards the cemetery.

Detective Supt Andy Cribbin, of the Force Major Investigation Team, is leading the murder inquiry.

He said: “The man in these images is now a suspect in our investigation and I am appealing for the public’s help to try and identify him. If anyone thinks they know who this person is I would urge them to come forward and contact us urgently.

Taken from the M.E.N from 27th Aug 19 - I won’t post link...

 

[Emmalt]

She wasn't in the bin in the CCTV. As heartless as some reporting is they wouldn't do that. It was the same day when he was walking up to the coppice before he went to put her in the bin. The same day she went missing.

This is how the have confirmed the clothes he wore ect with that of Zoe.

The defendant has been seen twice with the bin... first on the 12th (the day of LB disappearance) and that was at 8.30pm which would mean the lighting on the cctv would have been darker.. he was heading towards the back of Lindsay house into the grassed area... He later emerges from that area at 11.20pm without the bin (I am not sure if you have seen this footage-its very disturbing to watch) given this it seems he has placed Lindsay in the bin and hidden her somewhere behind her house in the wooded area in the bin and left her there.

The 2nd sighting of him with the bin is on the 17th August at around 2.30pm... this is the day all witnesses had spotted him with the heavy bin and struggling...this is also the day he has admitted to taking her to be buried in the cem.. the next sighting of him on the 17th is at around 3.50pm leaving the area of where Lindsay was buried in the cemetery without the bin. He is not seen with the bin again.

Therefore given all the information we have and the confirmation from Granada reports that the cctv footage of the defendant was on the 17th, this had to be footage of him with lindsay in the bin. It is very heartless and insensitive I agree.. it's awful to even comprehend

 

[Legally Bland]

The defendant has been seen twice with the bin... first on the 12th (the day of LB disappearance) and that was at 8.30pm which would mean the lighting on the cctv would have been darker.. he was heading towards the back of Lindsay house into the grassed area... He later emerges from that area at 11.20pm without the bin (I am not sure if you have seen this footage-its very disturbing to watch) given this it seems he has placed Lindsay in the bin and hidden her somewhere behind her house in the wooded area in the bin and left her there.

The 2nd sighting of him with the bin is on the 17th August at around 2.30pm... this is the day all witnesses had spotted him with the heavy bin and struggling...this is also the day he has admitted to taking her to be buried in the cem.. the next sighting of him on the 17th is at around 3.50pm leaving the area of where Lindsay was buried in the cemetery without the bin. He is not seen with the bin again.

Therefore given all the information we have and the confirmation from Granada reports that the cctv footage of the defendant was on the 17th, this had to be footage of him with lindsay in the bin. It is very heartless and insensitive I agree.. it's awful to even comprehend

Maybe they went with that footage because he was walking towards the camera. Ideally they wouldn't have had to use the footage at all.

 

[Doris777]

The defendant has been seen twice with the bin... first on the 12th (the day of LB disappearance) and that was at 8.30pm which would mean the lighting on the cctv would have been darker.. he was heading towards the back of Lindsay house into the grassed area... He later emerges from that area at 11.20pm without the bin (I am not sure if you have seen this footage-its very disturbing to watch) given this it seems he has placed Lindsay in the bin and hidden her somewhere behind her house in the wooded area in the bin and left her there.

The 2nd sighting of him with the bin is on the 17th August at around 2.30pm... this is the day all witnesses had spotted him with the heavy bin and struggling...this is also the day he has admitted to taking her to be buried in the cem.. the next sighting of him on the 17th is at around 3.50pm leaving the area of where Lindsay was buried in the cemetery without the bin. He is not seen with the bin again.

Therefore given all the information we have and the confirmation from Granada reports that the cctv footage of the defendant was on the 17th, this had to be footage of him with lindsay in the bin. It is very heartless and insensitive I agree.. it's awful to even comprehend

Oh y ah I know it was twice he had the bin like u said. It would have been light until about 9.30pm in August last year. Just like it is now. So either day would have been light. I know he's taken the bin into hildock Vail(behind the pub) on the 12th and not come back out for 3 hours. All what's been reported ect. Next time he had the bin was when she was moved. He's not seen with it again after that.

Wether she was in the bin on the CCTV or not I don't know. I'm sure from last year the police said it's not CCTV from her being in the bin...but who knows. In my opinion from the CCTV he's dragging that bin to easily for it to have a body in it but that's just from what I can see...

 

[Spender]

Oh y ah I know it was twice he had the bin like u said. It would have been light until about 9.30pm in August last year. Just like it is now. So either day would have been light. I know he's taken the bin into hildock Vail(behind the pub) on the 12th and not come back out for 3 hours. All what's been reported ect. Next time he had the bin was when she was moved. He's not seen with it again after that.

Wether she was in the bin on the CCTV or not I don't know. I'm sure from last year the police said it's not CCTV from her being in the bin...but who knows. In my opinion from the CCTV he's dragging that bin to easily for it to have a body in it but that's just from what I can see...

Doris777 ...appreciate what you’re saying but the way the bin is swaying I would say it has something substantial in it ...if it were empty the bin would be bouncing especially if he is walking at speed. Try it with your bins empty and full you will see what I mean .

 

[Spender]

Can we view the Asda stills and cctv ??

 

[SpursGyal]

The only one released by MSM is the one of her leaving her house. Both are only stills.

 

[ChloLo]

It’s possible that when the footage was released the forensic testing of the bin either hadn’t been completed or the results weren’t back.

Plus they will have chosen whichever footage gave the clearest shot of his face.

 

[Doris777]

Doris777 ...appreciate what you’re saying but the way the bin is swaying I would say it has something substantial in it ...if it were empty the bin would be bouncing especially if he is walking at speed. Try it with your bins empty and full you will see what I mean .

I know what bins are like trust me.. dragging an empty bin to a bin that's overflowing with rubbish is a big difference. I know that. I'm not arguing about it. I'm.just saying from me looking at it he makes it look easy! So if it's been easy enough for him to drag a bin that heavy, that distance he's capable of crushing a woman's neck.

All my opinion of course.

 

[Doris777]

It’s possible that when the footage was released the forensic testing of the bin either hadn’t been completed or the results weren’t back.

Plus they will have chosen whichever footage gave the clearest shot of his face.

The footage was released the same night or the day after she was found I think it was..it definitely wasn't a long time after.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Oh y ah I know it was twice he had the bin like u said. It would have been light until about 9.30pm in August last year. Just like it is now. So either day would have been light. I know he's taken the bin into hildock Vail(behind the pub) on the 12th and not come back out for 3 hours. All what's been reported ect. Next time he had the bin was when she was moved. He's not seen with it again after that.

Wether she was in the bin on the CCTV or not I don't know. I'm sure from last year the police said it's not CCTV from her being in the bin...but who knows. In my opinion from the CCTV he's dragging that bin to easily for it to have a body in it but that's just from what I can see...

Sunset in Accrington on Monday 12th August 2019 was 20:46 hours, 8:46 p.m. in old money.

There were only two CCTV clips of the defendant, with a wheelie bin, produced as evidence by the prosecution. If there had been others, they would have been introduced, as they help to build a picture of the defendants movements.

1. 12th August 2019. The boy is seen on CCTV to move a bin from the cemetery to the area of the Coppice, either via the footpath alongside the Whittakers Arms PH or via the access road between 330 and 332 Burnley Road. This leads to the field with the chicken sheds and at the southern boundary the Coppice.

There was an independent witness who saw the defendant pulling the bin on Burnley Road. He said it appeared empty as it was bouncing around.

2. The defendant is seen pulling the bin on Saturday 17th August 2019 from The area of the Whittakers Arms PH across Burnley Road into Whitewell Road and into the cemetery via the side access in Whitewell Road.

The bin is more upright than it would be if it was empty as if it had a load inside. It is also swaying as though the load has space around it and is moving with the momentum of the wheelie bin. The bin does not appear to be bouncing.

As these are the only two CCTV recordings that have been introduced by the defence then it is evident that their assertion is that JB was moved to the cemetery on the 17th August and was in the bin shown on the police appeal for the suspect.

 

[ChloLo]

The footage was released 3 days after her body was found. Although could say more like 2 days because she was found in the evening of the 24th and it will have taken a few hours to excavate her and gather all the evidence. Footage was released 27th August.

 

[Emmalt]

The footage was released the same night or the day after she was found I think it was..it definitely wasn't a long time after.

I think it was the 27th August when it was made public?

 

[SpursGyal]

Her body was found on the 24th and the CCTV Appeal was released on the 27th, he handed himself in the same day.

 

[Doris777]

Sunset in Accrington on Monday 12th August 2019 was 20:46 hours, 8:46 p.m. in old money.

There were only two CCTV clips of the defendant, with a wheelie bin, produced as evidence by the prosecution. If there had been others, they would have been introduced, as they help to build a picture of the defendants movements.

1. 12th August 2019. The boy is seen on CCTV to move a bin from the cemetery to the area of the Coppice, either via the footpath alongside the Whittakers Arms PH or via the access road between 330 and 332 Burnley Road. This leads to the field with the chicken sheds and at the southern boundary the Coppice.

There was an independent witness who saw the defendant pulling the bin on Burnley Road. He said it appeared empty as it was bouncing around.

2. The defendant is seen pulling the bin on Saturday 17th August 2019 from The area of the Whittakers Arms PH across Burnley Road into Whitewell Road and into the cemetery via the side access in Whitewell Road.

The bin is more upright than it would be if it was empty as if it had a load inside. It is also swaying as though the load has space around it and is moving with the momentum of the wheelie bin. The bin does not appear to be bouncing.

As these are the only two CCTV recordings that have been introduced by the defence then it is evident that their assertion is that JB was moved to the cemetery on the 17th August and was in bin shown on the police appeal for the suspect.

Ok. Sunset don't mean darkness though. It happened at this time last year and right now it's still wall to wall sunshine. I'm not even disputing if she's in the bin on CCTV...I'm just saying to me I'm unsure she was when the press released the CCTV in the news.

This whole piggin trial is one big, who what and why. To much is unanswered

 

[Whitehall 1212]

I know what bins are like trust me.. dragging an empty bin to a bin that's overflowing with rubbish is a big difference. I know that. I'm not arguing about it. I'm.just saying from me looking at it he makes it look easy! So if it's been easy enough for him to drag a bin that heavy, that distance he's capable of crushing a woman's neck.

All my opinion of course.

Like all heavy objects on two wheels, it's easy once you have it balanced, have momentum and are on a relatively flat surface or even a slight decline.

Pushing a motorcycle presents just this challenge and they are great deal heavier than a person. As an example the dry weight (without fuel) of a Honda CBR600, a mid range sports bike, is 180kg nearly 397 pounds (over 28 stone). I used to push that with ease when I was slender, at about 11 stone and 5'11". I could even pick it up off the floor when I dropped it....only once though as it's very embarrassing.

 

[Emmalt]

Sunset in Accrington on Monday 12th August 2019 was 20:46 hours, 8:46 p.m. in old money.

There were only two CCTV clips of the defendant, with a wheelie bin, produced as evidence by the prosecution. If there had been others, they would have been introduced, as they help to build a picture of the defendants movements.

1. 12th August 2019. The boy is seen on CCTV to move a bin from the cemetery to the area of the Coppice, either via the footpath alongside the Whittakers Arms PH or via the access road between 330 and 332 Burnley Road. This leads to the field with the chicken sheds and at the southern boundary the Coppice.

There was an independent witness who saw the defendant pulling the bin on Burnley Road. He said it appeared empty as it was bouncing around.

2. The defendant is seen pulling the bin on Saturday 17th August 2019 from The area of the Whittakers Arms PH across Burnley Road into Whitewell Road and into the cemetery via the side access in Whitewell Road.

The bin is more upright than it would be if it was empty as if it had a load inside. It is also swaying as though the load has space around it and is moving with the momentum of the wheelie bin. The bin does not appear to be bouncing.

As these are the only two CCTV recordings that have been introduced by the defence then it is evident that their assertion is that JB was moved to the cemetery on the 17th August and was in the bin shown on the police appeal for the suspect.

Are you local?

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Stills do look a bit dodgy - but still believe they are LB. A still captured from a motion video will never be as good as the video itself IMO because of the sequence of frames and where it’s stopped to capture the video - hope that makes sense...

The stills in ASDA will have been part of an evidential chain of the CCTV footage of LB and SB's visit. They will have been seen arriving in the car, walking into the store and moving around the store before leaving in the car.

We aren't privy to all the CCTV, but the still image from ASDA should not be analysed in isolation. There will not be any doubt that it was LB and SB that visited ASDA that day.

The police will have checked if there was any evidence that they were being followed either during their journey both ways in the car or around the store or both. Quite possibly the cars arriving/leaving ASDA in a time window either side of LB and SB will have been cross-referenced with those observed on Burnley Road near Peel Park Avenue in a time window around the time that LB was last seen.

Investigation is painstaking and the vast majority of the lines of enquiry will have come to nothing.

 

[Emmalt]

It's just a real bad shot of her if that's the case. Plenty people agree it doesn't look feminine.. that's all my point is

 

[Whitehall 1212]

It's just a real bad shot of her if that's the case. Plenty people agree it doesn't look feminine.. that's all my point is

I'm interested to know if you don't think the image looks feminine, how it makes you view this case and what you feel may have happened to JB?