Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest*

[WiseOwl]

Perhaps it's someone who visits the cemetery a lot? It is said that perpetrators tend to dispose of bodies in places they know well. IMO

That's true, although normally it's in some isolated area. The cemetery is a public place frequented by (as we know) dog walkers, as well as visitors tending graves, etc.

 

[WiseOwl]

The Cemetery looks like it can be accessed a few ways, maybe they thought that because it had already been searched, and that it could be easy to enter undetected it would be a safe place?

Yes, they would know the searches had ended so it would be safe to put the bin/body there. If they accessed the cemetery from anywhere other than Burnley Road they might not have been picked up on any CCTV footage.

 

[Chellbu]

Exactly - it doesn't make any sense to do that.

I keep thinking 'why the cemetery - why place the body there?' To torment the police? The family? Or was it put there due to someone's naivety?

It’s a simple alibi perhaps?

“You’re vehicle was captured entering the cemetery on at xx”
“Yes, I was visiting the grave of ...”

It’s a place where the LE would have a very difficult time saying you shouldn’t have been unless you were connected to the murder.

 

[CharlestonGal]

When asked if the 16 y/o was the one with the wheelie bin, the response from admin at Lancs Live Facebook was this:

"Lancs Live Hi. Our understanding is that this has not been confirmed either way. Thank you. - Luke"

30 minutes ago.

Lancs Live

PS - This is not a comment from a random poster - it is the admin.

 

[SpursGyal]

When asked if the 16 y/o was the one with the wheelie bin, the response from admin at Lancs Live Facebook was this:

"Lancs Live Hi. Our understanding is that this has not been confirmed either way. Thank you. - Luke"

30 minutes ago.

Lancs Live

PS - This is not a comment from a random poster - it is the admin.

I think it has to be, the CCTV appeal was pulled when they annouced the arrest. If they were still looking for the person in the CCTV i cant see them pulling it.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I think it has to be, the CCTV appeal was pulled when they annouced the arrest. If they were still looking for the person in the CCTV i cant see them pulling it.

I think we all suspect it's the same lad. Looks like LE has not confirmed that one way or the other.

 

[jiminy]

I feel like Lindsay was not in that bin in the cctv. The self same bin may be the one found near Lindsay and may have been used to transport her but I don't see how it's possible she lay there from the 17th without being discovered IF the bin was there too. It's huge and bright blue and not easy to hide.

 

[WiseOwl]

I'm beginning to lean this way also <modsnip>

But that leads us to to something more interesting, was he connected to the found bin in the cemetary? And if he was, why bother trying to identify him through CCTV? Because they would already know who he is. Unless the aim is to find witnesses who did see him using the bin with her inside it, because they don't have an CCTV evidence of this?

Well the bin did look very heavy the way he was pulling it!

Maybe they were interested to see if anyone had seen him with a bin in the area at a later date - 24 August maybe? Or perhaps they were interested to see exactly who contacted them to say they knew who he was?

 

[Thelastleg]

I feel like Lindsay was not in that bin in the cctv. The self same bin may be the one found near Lindsay and may have been used to transport her but I don't see how it's possible she lay there from the 17th without being discovered IF the bin was there too. It's huge and bright blue and not easy to hide.

These are my thoughts about the bin. I wheeled my brown bin to the kerb last night. It was full and I found it heavy. I tried pulling it along like the person in the photo. It was difficult. It kept falling back onto the wheels unless I tipped it right over towards my back. It was easier to pull one handed. Anyway that is just my opinion. However I think that the person was taking the bin to a specified location. As @Angleterre says if the body had been decomposing for a while it would have attracted flies and maggots plus the smell would be unbearable. Therefore Lindsay was killed quite soon before the bin was summoned or she was kept in a freezer for a while. Lindsay's body was then put in the bin and taken to where it was found. The bin in the cemetery puzzles me. First of all I thought that someone was hoping to dispose of the body in a freshly dug grave. However, with Cadaver dogs the body would be found in no time. My next thought was that the perp was going to put the body on the railway track. I'm not sure if trains run on that line but it would sure make a mess of the body. Sorry I don't mean to be flippant but not sure how else to describe it. In other words, the mode of death might not be so obvious. Perhaps the murderer was disturbed by the walker and wasn't able to complete what he set out to do.
All MOO

 

[Chellbu]

As big as those wheelie bins are, getting a 5”11 body in one is quite the task. Especially if you are smaller or of a similar build.

The dog walker would have had to have spotted something that made them contact the police and for it then to have been given high priority to result in LE attendance.

MOO is that the bin contained clothing. Probably the jacket which is quite identifiable, hidden by rubble or rubbish which was moved about whilst transporting the bin leading to the object not being as concealed as the perp believed.

I’m also wondering if she was found in a shallow grave. In a cemetery that may not arouse initial suspicion but when in the immediate vicinity of a related object it could!

 

[Chellbu]

. The bin in the cemetery puzzles me.

All the cemeteries I have visited have numerous council wheelie bins scattered throughout, identical to those used for household waste. They are for visitors to dispose of flowers, wrappers etc.

 

[Kaykedi]

I'm not understanding the Ian Huntley/Ian Stewart vibe, is this just me? The reason is, I don't see any guy putting himself in the middle of this investigation. What does anyone else think?

 

[SpursGyal]

All the cemeteries I have visited have numerous council wheelie bins scattered throughout, identical to those used for household waste. They are for visitors to dispose of flowers, wrappers etc.

A blue bin is for glass, cans, plastic. So wouldn’t be the right colour for dead flowers ect. General waste would be more appropriate.

 

[Sally4x]

I'm not understanding the Ian Huntley/Ian Stewart vibe, is this just me? The reason is, I don't see any guy putting himself in the middle of this investigation. What does anyone else think?

People are alluding to all the rumours on social media and all the activity that one particular person is having on social media. In all fairness I have never seen the police comment about not spreading rumours on social media as much as they have with this one. Every statement they release mentions this.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

The video of the male pulling the bin is one that concentrates the mind, particularly when we are privy to so little information. This can distract us from all the other and less visibly audacious possibilities.

Motive, Opportunity, Means

MOO

 

[Kaykedi]

People are alluding to all the rumours on social media and all the activity that one particular person is having on social media. In all fairness I have never seen the police comment about not spreading rumours on social media as much as they have with this one. Every statement they release mentions this.

Thank you so much for explaining this to me. I haven't a clue who's commenting on social media, and 'putting themselves in the middle of things'. I wish I did!

 

[Dcflag]

I'm not understanding the Ian Huntley/Ian Stewart vibe, is this just me? The reason is, I don't see any guy putting himself in the middle of this investigation. What does anyone else think?

It's against tos to point any fingers, so it's just a way of expressing the vibes coming from other social media sources.

There are a great many cases where the murderer or involved persons either insert themselves into an investigation or are very present around areas of activity. Huntley was one of them, and by doing so slipped up with his phrasing. Stewart while didn't insert himself into the investigation as such, did also make verbal slips. People are probably leaning to Stewart due to the nature of his crime, and Huntley due to his insertion.

 

[jiminy]

The graveyard disposal is what makes me think that part at least was down to 16-year-old thinking. Like, who would worry about finding bones in a cemetery type thinking. If that was your best option, you didn't have access to a vehicle.

 

[Kaykedi]

It's against tos to point any fingers, so it's just a way of expressing the vibes coming from other social media sources.

There are a great many cases where the murderer or involved persons either insert themselves into an investigation or are very present around areas of activity. Huntley was one of them, and by doing so slipped up with his phrasing. Stewart while didn't insert himself into the investigation as such, did also make verbal slips. People are probably leaning to Stewart due to the nature of his crime, and Huntley due to his insertion.

Thank you so much for your reply

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I'm not shocked a 16 y/o could have done this. I've been looking at homicide statistics for England and Wales and these are some interesting facts from 2018:

- One-third (33%) of convicted male suspects were aged between 16 and 24 years old, with 26% being 25 to 34 years old and 21% being 35 to 44 years old.

Ah, but... the majority of those 16-24 year old killers are London gang members who seem to have a penchant for stabbing each other lately. We have a big problem with it down there and if you took those deaths out I think the figures would look very different.

It would still be fairly unusual for a 16 year to kill an older unrelated female. Not impossible, of course, but pretty rare.