GUILTY UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, teaching asst, found deceased, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 teen arrested #5

MusicalMonkey · Aug 12, 2020

sunflower22 said:
What’s everyone’s verdicts then?

My opinion is the same as the original sham trial.

Guilty

('Family' obviously helped to try cover up as is 'their way').

Whitehall 1212 · Aug 12, 2020

Emmalt said:
I know... how different things may have been.. but if she was the intended target I doubt it would change the outcome.

I have a feeling now she may have possibly have been meeting someone she knew. I'm not buying the random attack story. MOO

What motive could there have been then?

Doris777 · Aug 12, 2020

I have a feeling he was given a step by step guide over the phone. If he has autism and finds thing difficult then he's had help from the murder I think. I think hes been in the coppice or around when Lindsay was killed, been told to do what he's done step by step. He's been told to take the blame as he's only a kid and will get away with it. I also think when it comes to the money it will be given way after everything is over with. In other words when he's out of prison or its given to family to collect. That's why no phone has ever been found, it holds to much info!

I don't think the jury will find his guilty of murder tho, I'll be very surprised if it is a guilty verdict. It's going to be not guilty or a hung jury.

All my opinion of course

Becky53 · Aug 12, 2020

Rosegold68 said:
Earlylier threads there was a video of a young male holding items coming out of the coppice area late at night. He emerged from houses near the pub

was that discredited? Can’t remember if it was a MSM video

I mentioned this video the yesterday and that it had disappeared of YouTube where I watched it.
From what I remember it shows a male walking down swinging a jacket or bag from between end terraced house 332 and bungalow 330 (footage is taken from behind). The date was 12th Aug 19 and time was around 11pm.

SpursGyal · Aug 12, 2020

2:25
Jury deliberations continuing
The jury retired to consider their verdicts at 10.41am.

They are deliberating on whether to find the defendant guilty or not guilty on the charges of murder or manslaughter.

We have had no questions from the jury since they left the court room.

We will bring you further updates as soon as the jury return.

Whitehall 1212 · Aug 12, 2020

Becky53 said:
I mentioned this video the yesterday and that it had disappeared of YouTube where I watched it.
From what I remember it shows a male walking down swinging a jacket or bag from between end terraced house 332 and bungalow 330 (footage is taken from behind). The date was 12th Aug 19 and time was around 11pm.

Yep, he came from the field with the chicken sheds in.

The field runs behind Burnley Road from the Whittakers Arms to the to the end of the row of houses LB lived in. It extended up to the The Coppice at its northern boundary.

I believe this CCTV was used by the prosecution.

It is rather sinister!

Kaykedi · Aug 12, 2020

Alyce said:
Just wanted to add in a photo of Lindsay today

View attachment 259395

How beautiful does she look there x

Sera · Aug 12, 2020

Slightly OT (not about this particular trial) but how many of you have ever been on jury duty? Just curious how many of us sleuthers have ever done jury duty before- I haven't and I don't actually know anyone who has! Wondering whether anyone on here has been a juror on a similar type of case and how long it took to deliberate/reach a unanimous or majority decision.

Jartykarate · Aug 12, 2020

Sera said:
Slightly OT (not about this particular trial) but how many of you have ever been on jury duty? Just curious how many of us sleuthers have ever done jury duty before- I haven't and I don't actually know anyone who has! Wondering whether anyone on here has been a juror on a similar type of case and how long it took to deliberate/reach a unanimous or majority decision.

I’m still waiting for the call, I know people who have been and half the time you wait around doing nothing and don’t always get allocated to a trial.

Mommysleuth11 · Aug 12, 2020

I have sat on a Jury for 2 trials many years ago. They were not big cases, 1 assault, 1 theft.
Verdicts were reached pretty quickly in both, within an hour or 2 from memory.

SpursGyal · Aug 12, 2020

13:02
Adjourned to 2.15pm
The case has now been adjourned to 2.15pm.

Her Honour Mrs Justice Yip earlier said if the jury did not return with verdicts by 1pm she wouldn’t reconvene court until at least then.

PiggyStardust · Aug 12, 2020

I was on the jury for a trial of marital rape at Burnley Crown Court several years ago. Nasty sordid case. We reached the verdict after around three hours of deliberations.

Becky53 · Aug 12, 2020

Whitehall 1212 said:
Yep, he came from the field with the chicken sheds in.

The field runs behind Burnley Road from the Whittakers Arms to the to the end of the row of houses LB lived in. It extended up to the The Coppice at its northern boundary.

I believe this CCTV was used by the prosecution.

It is rather sinister!

I looked on google maps the day I watched it which was in March this year to confirm where it was and recognised the large window on the house.

Just looked back to messages to my friend on WhatsApp as I sent her a copy of the video from my phone which I’ve deleted and had a conversation with her about the time being 23:18 and how briskly he walked down totally unaware of the CCTV.

Becky53 · Aug 12, 2020

Sera said:
Slightly OT (not about this particular trial) but how many of you have ever been on jury duty? Just curious how many of us sleuthers have ever done jury duty before- I haven't and I don't actually know anyone who has! Wondering whether anyone on here has been a juror on a similar type of case and how long it took to deliberate/reach a unanimous or majority decision.

I’ve been asked once in 1998 but declined as it was a couple of weeks after my eldest had been born - it was for Manchester Crown Court.

Rishtoner · Aug 12, 2020

Emmalt said:
I know... how different things may have been.. but if she was the intended target I doubt it would change the outcome.

I have a feeling now she may have possibly have been meeting someone she knew. I'm not buying the random attack story. MOO

I've said this all along, I also find it strange that she got changed to go for a walk into what appears to be a collared shirt? Seems a little odd...

Whitehall 1212 · Aug 12, 2020

Sera said:
Slightly OT (not about this particular trial) but how many of you have ever been on jury duty? Just curious how many of us sleuthers have ever done jury duty before- I haven't and I don't actually know anyone who has! Wondering whether anyone on here has been a juror on a similar type of case and how long it took to deliberate/reach a unanimous or majority decision.

I was called but had to decline as I was part of the thin blue line.

Obviously, I've stood in the witness box a good few times!

Doris777 · Aug 12, 2020

I have a feeling he was given a step by step guide over the phone. If he has autism and finds thing difficult then he's had help from the murder I think. I think hes been in the coppice or around when Lindsay was killed, been told to do what he's done step by step. He's been told to take the blame as he's only a kid and will get away with it. I also think when it comes to the money it will be given way after everything is over with. In other words when he's out of prison or its given to family to collect.

I don't think the jury will find his guilty of murder tho, I'll be very surprised if it is a guilty verdict. It's going to be not guilty or a hung jury.

All my opinion of course

Sera said:
Slightly OT (not about this particular trial) but how many of you have ever been on jury duty? Just curious how many of us sleuthers have ever done jury duty before- I haven't and I don't actually know anyone who has! Wondering whether anyone on here has been a juror on a similar type of case and how long it took to deliberate/reach a unanimous or majority decision.

I have but it was in a coroner's court

SpursGyal · Aug 12, 2020

Rishtoner said:
I've said this all along, I also find it strange that she got changed to go for a walk into what appears to be a collared shirt? Seems a little odd...

It looks to be the same top she was wearing in the asda cctv.

sunflower22 · Aug 12, 2020

It’s going to be really hard for the jury I think. I think he’s not done the murder but I also don’t believe the stranger story I believe someone known to him was involved. But the jury can only go of what has been said in the court and the evidence and not to speculate so I’m really not sure where it’s going to go.

Roostercat · Aug 12, 2020

Sera said:
Slightly OT (not about this particular trial) but how many of you have ever been on jury duty? Just curious how many of us sleuthers have ever done jury duty before- I haven't and I don't actually know anyone who has! Wondering whether anyone on here has been a juror on a similar type of case and how long it took to deliberate/reach a unanimous or majority decision.

My brother in law was on the jury of this trialhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-tayside-central-41346177
He passed out when seeing the exhibits of the murder weapon!
The guy has since seriously hurt someone whilst in prison.

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