GUILTY UK- Major incident declared in Southport after multiple stabbings, 29 July 2024

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We couldn't cope with violent son, says Southport killer's dad

The father of the Southport killer today admitted he played down his son's violent outbursts because he feared he would be taken into care.

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The father of the Southport killer today admitted he played down his son’s violent outbursts because he feared he would be taken into care.

Alphonse Rudakubana, 49, said that by the time his youngest son, Axel, turned 15 their relationship had broken down and his son ‘hated him’.

He would regularly attack him and, although the violence was ‘random,’ it could happen up to twice a day, Mr Rudakubana said.


Mr Rudakubana said he made allowances for his son because of his autism and didn’t report every violent incident to police, mental health services or social workers because he believed Axel was ‘vulnerable’ and their home life was ‘chaotic every day’.

Sir Adrian Fulford, chairman of the inquiry, asked Mr Rudakubana whether he was reluctant to report what was going on because he was ‘concerned AR was going to be taken away from you?’

 

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We couldn't cope with violent son, says Southport killer's dad

The father of the Southport killer today admitted he played down his son's violent outbursts because he feared he would be taken into care.

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The father of the Southport killer today admitted he played down his son’s violent outbursts because he feared he would be taken into care.

Alphonse Rudakubana, 49, said that by the time his youngest son, Axel, turned 15 their relationship had broken down and his son ‘hated him’.

He would regularly attack him and, although the violence was ‘random,’ it could happen up to twice a day, Mr Rudakubana said.


Mr Rudakubana said he made allowances for his son because of his autism and didn’t report every violent incident to police, mental health services or social workers because he believed Axel was ‘vulnerable’ and their home life was ‘chaotic every day’.

Sir Adrian Fulford, chairman of the inquiry, asked Mr Rudakubana whether he was reluctant to report what was going on because he was ‘concerned AR was going to be taken away from you?’

Wondering if any government support would be withdrawn from the family if A was put into care? speculation, imo.

 

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Southport inquiry latest: Killer's dad thought son's poison order was for 'gardening'

The father of Southport killer Axel Rudakubana is continuing to give evidence today at the inquiry into the murder of three girls at a dance class last year. His mother will speak too. Follow the latest here.

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Southport killer ordered ricin using father's name - but dad thought it was for 'gardening'​

The inquiry hears that after Axel Rudakubana's parents learned he was taking knives to school, they hid the kitchen knives behind some trays in the kitchen drawer.

But he found the knives, taking one to the school he was expelled from to carry out an attack with a hockey stick.

His father says they then disposed of all knives apart from a 4cm vegetable preparation blade and a "bendy" bread knife in a cupboard, which you had to use a chair to get to.

But Axel found the small knife and was arrested when carrying it on a bus in March 2022, he says.

He denies there was a knife block in the kitchen when police brought his son home.

Poison purchase and 'interest in gardening'

By January 2022, Axel had bought ricin seeds and chemistry equipment.

The inquiry hears the seeds and a bottle of pure alcohol were ordered in Alphonse's name but with the address of their next door neighbour.

Alphonse says in his statement he didn't "suspect that the items were in any way dangerous".

But "after the terrible tragic events" when his son carried out a mass stabbing he "started to think about it and that was a mistake", he tells the inquiry.

He said he thought one of the packages contained seeds, but believed it was due to his "interest in gardening", although he never saw his son do any.

 

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So they apparently hid kitchen knives but had no concerns about his Amazon deliveries.

Southport killer's dad rewarded him with money for taking a shower - as he's asked about knife deliveries​

Axel Rudakubana's dad is now being asked about a package of knives he ordered from Amazon, whose delivery driver would've asked for a year of birth.

Alphonse Rudakubana accepts it's "very highly likely" it was him who accepted the parcel, which said "bladed article" on the packaging.

Asked if he gave the package to his son, he says he would've been "half asleep" because he works nights and would've put it behind the door in the post pile and gone back to bed.

Alphonse now says he has a problem with the word "bladed", saying the packaging should say "machete" or "knife", but he admits to a "serious misjudgment".

"I think the simple answer is I didn't read it," he says.

 

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The father should be facing charges. He knew full well his son was ordering knives and cannot have failed to see to see he had ordered a bladed weapon from the packaging.

Southport victims' families say killer's parents 'failed'

Reacting to the parents' evidence to an inquiry, the Stancombe family say: "These statements reveal a failure of parenting on a whole new level."

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The inquiry hears how Mr Rudakubana accepted a delivery of a machete, ordered by his son, on 23 June 2023, which he hid.

In a statement, Mr Rudakubana said he never opened packages that had been delivered to his home for his son as that would trigger "a violent outburst".

Mr Moss KC asks: "So why, having intercepted the package, seeing that it was a knife or a bladed item [your son] has specifically asked for it... didn't you open to check what on earth it was that your son was actually buying?"

"I was scared of it," says Mr Rudakubana, adding: "I was afraid I would have been attacked" and "It wasn't my property".

"You knew this was not a small kitchen knife," says Mr Moss.

"Yes I did," says Mr Rudakubana.

Mr Moss puts to him how his actions could lead some to question how much he actually cared about what was in the package.

"I know it was knife already and had I opened it, it would have been good as it would have led me to call the police," replies Mr Rudakubana.

 

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The father should be facing charges. He knew full well his son was ordering knives and cannot have failed to see to see he had ordered a bladed weapon from the packaging.

Southport victims' families say killer's parents 'failed'

Reacting to the parents' evidence to an inquiry, the Stancombe family say: "These statements reveal a failure of parenting on a whole new level."

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The inquiry hears how Mr Rudakubana accepted a delivery of a machete, ordered by his son, on 23 June 2023, which he hid.

In a statement, Mr Rudakubana said he never opened packages that had been delivered to his home for his son as that would trigger "a violent outburst".

Mr Moss KC asks: "So why, having intercepted the package, seeing that it was a knife or a bladed item [your son] has specifically asked for it... didn't you open to check what on earth it was that your son was actually buying?"

"I was scared of it," says Mr Rudakubana, adding: "I was afraid I would have been attacked" and "It wasn't my property".

"You knew this was not a small kitchen knife," says Mr Moss.

"Yes I did," says Mr Rudakubana.

Mr Moss puts to him how his actions could lead some to question how much he actually cared about what was in the package.

"I know it was knife already and had I opened it, it would have been good as it would have led me to call the police," replies Mr Rudakubana.

So irresponsible! The poor families listening to this wondering if things could have been so different had he not been burying his head in the sand

 

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So irresponsible! The poor families listening to this wondering if things could have been so different had he not been burying his head in the sand

I would say it is more than just burying his head in the sand. He refused to co co operate with different authorities and knew what his son was ordering and how violent he was both in and out of the home. He was more interested in preventing his son from being removed from the home which would mean him receiving less benefit money.

 

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Southport victims' families say killer's parents 'failed'

Reacting to the parents' evidence to an inquiry, the Stancombe family say: "These statements reveal a failure of parenting on a whole new level."

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Addressing Mr Rudakubana, Nicholas Bowen KC, who represents the families of the bereaved, said: "They want me, all three sets of parents [to tell you], and I'm sorry to have to say this to you publicly and harshly.

"All three parents have listened to what you have written, they have listened to what you have said, and they have complete disdain for your excuses and the manner in which you have answered questions from Mr Moss."

Mr Bowen was then cut off by the inquiry chair Sir Adrian Fulford who said the comment was not appropriate.

Asked whether he accepted a significant degree of "personal culpability and responsibility" for his son's actions between October 2019 and July 2024, Mr Rudakubana replied: "I shared a share of responsibility for the failure of my part, a moral failure for not having done anything.

 

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My heart goes out to those parents. The father was not just ineffective and passive in all of this. He was actively intimidating himself.

Southport killer Axel Rudakubana assessed as posing no risk to others six days before attack

Elsie Dot Stancombe, Alice da Silva Aguiar and Bebe King were killed at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class in July last year by Axel Rudakubana, who was later jailed for a minimum of 52 years.

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Dr Ramasubramanian said she stopped treating Rudakubana after claiming his father had been "intimidating" and "disrespectful" at an appointment.

She said: "This is the very first time in my entire career as a doctor where I have had to request a change of psychiatrist because of how I was made to feel by a parent.

"It is quite unprecedented in my opinion, and I vividly remember the level of distress I went through at the end of the appointment."

 

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Southport killer's mother made 'zip it' gesture to father when talking

Laetitia Muzayire, whose 17-year-old son Axel Rudakubana killed three young girls at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class last July, told the hearing that her family has been left broken by what he did.

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The mother of the Southport attacker made a 'zip it' gesture to his father as he was on the verge of telling a support worker about Axel Rudakubana's troubling behaviour, an inquiry has been told.

A report from a home visit in October 2021 was described at the hearing which detailed how a family support worker had said that Axel refused to say why he had not been attending school and that he would not explain this 'until Alphonse [his father] does what I have asked him'.

The hearing was told that Axel refused to elaborate further and when Alphonse was asked to respond, Axel had said: 'You don't need to tell them, you don't have my permission.'


Nicholas Moss KC, counsel to the probe, said the support worker had noted 'it was clear Alphonse wanted to share this' but that Axel's mother was 'waving her arms and indicating in a zip action across her mouth' to Mr Rudakubana.

Asked why she had done this, Laetitia Muzayire said: 'I cannot remember because my memory's not good.'

She added the reason she was probably asking for Alphonse to 'keep quiet' was because she feared one of her son's 'outbursts', which the family found 'distressing'.

 

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IMO those little girls should be alive today. The lies, the excuses, the covering up, not just by AR's parents. So many people miserably failed those little girls AR slaughtered. This was all avoidable. There should be a lot people facing charges over this IMO. JMO

 

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Southport victims' families say killer's parents 'failed'

Reacting to the parents' evidence to an inquiry, the Stancombe family say: "These statements reveal a failure of parenting on a whole new level."

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The article contains the statements from the murdered girls.parents
I feel so angry about AR's parents,they really should be held responsible.

 

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The father should be facing charges. He knew full well his son was ordering knives and cannot have failed to see to see he had ordered a bladed weapon from the packaging.

Southport victims' families say killer's parents 'failed'

Reacting to the parents' evidence to an inquiry, the Stancombe family say: "These statements reveal a failure of parenting on a whole new level."

www.bbc.co.uk

The inquiry hears how Mr Rudakubana accepted a delivery of a machete, ordered by his son, on 23 June 2023, which he hid.

In a statement, Mr Rudakubana said he never opened packages that had been delivered to his home for his son as that would trigger "a violent outburst".

Mr Moss KC asks: "So why, having intercepted the package, seeing that it was a knife or a bladed item [your son] has specifically asked for it... didn't you open to check what on earth it was that your son was actually buying?"

"I was scared of it," says Mr Rudakubana, adding: "I was afraid I would have been attacked" and "It wasn't my property".

"You knew this was not a small kitchen knife," says Mr Moss.

"Yes I did," says Mr Rudakubana.

Mr Moss puts to him how his actions could lead some to question how much he actually cared about what was in the package.

"I know it was knife already and had I opened it, it would have been good as it would have led me to call the police," replies Mr Rudakubana.

He absolutely should. This makes me so angry, his constant cover up for his extremely violent son.

 

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Southport killer's mother made 'zip it' gesture to father when talking

Laetitia Muzayire, whose 17-year-old son Axel Rudakubana killed three young girls at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class last July, told the hearing that her family has been left broken by what he did.

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The mother of the Southport attacker made a 'zip it' gesture to his father as he was on the verge of telling a support worker about Axel Rudakubana's troubling behaviour, an inquiry has been told.

A report from a home visit in October 2021 was described at the hearing which detailed how a family support worker had said that Axel refused to say why he had not been attending school and that he would not explain this 'until Alphonse [his father] does what I have asked him'.

The hearing was told that Axel refused to elaborate further and when Alphonse was asked to respond, Axel had said: 'You don't need to tell them, you don't have my permission.'


Nicholas Moss KC, counsel to the probe, said the support worker had noted 'it was clear Alphonse wanted to share this' but that Axel's mother was 'waving her arms and indicating in a zip action across her mouth' to Mr Rudakubana.

Asked why she had done this, Laetitia Muzayire said: 'I cannot remember because my memory's not good.'

She added the reason she was probably asking for Alphonse to 'keep quiet' was because she feared one of her son's 'outbursts', which the family found 'distressing'.

And the mother should also be held responsible. Keeping quiet because she feared a distressing outburst.

 

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Monster's lair for sale: Axel Rudakubana family home goes on market

The suburban house where Southport murderer Axel Rudakubana stored ricin and planned mass murder at a dance class is set to be sold.

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The local said: 'A lot of the neighbours have moved out. I do know the ricin stuff unsettled some people.

'The whole thing is a never ending nightmare. We are just in limbo. Knowing Axel planned it, and collected weapons at home. I just don't know what to say.'

The neighbour explained there was some confusion around how the Rudakubana family managed to move from south Wales to Banks and move into a home owned by One Vision Housing.

They said: 'I just find it all very strange. Would you wake up one day and say we are moving to Banks?

'Some people say it was a safehouse or something.'

Images released by Merseyside Police showing the inside of the home revealed how large amounts of weapons had been purchased online and stored over a number of years, including knives and equipment to make ricin.

Police found he had the raw materials to kill nearly 13,000 people hidden under his bed in a lunchbox. The grimy mixture of toxic castor beans used to make ricin had been grounded in a pestle and mortar which still had remnants of the beans inside


Another neighbour, Caroline McDonald, who lived next door to the family, feared that her cat died after wandering into her neighbour's back garden.

 

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Two 'would-be copycats' of the Southport killer are arrested

It comes as referrals to the Prevent de-radicalisation programme with 'no ideology' have soared over the past year to make up more than half of all cases, although only 7 per cent were offered intervention.

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''Two teenagers have been arrested after seeking to copy the Southport killer, it can be disclosed.''

''The first copycat case involved a 17-year-old who talked of emulating Rudakubana and conducted research into obtaining large knives.
Police found a note on his phone headed 'places to attack', which included images of a dance school near his home in Cwmbran, South Wales. Location data suggested he had been close to the school just days before his arrest in June.''
He also researched other potential targets, including his own school, and told people on Snapchat of a plan to attack the first Oasis reunion concert on July 4 in Cardiff.
''He pleaded guilty to possession of a document useful for terrorism, and is to be sentenced in January.''

''In the second case, a boy aged 16 from Merseyside allegedly planned to attack a Taylor Swift-themed event wearing a hoodie in the same way as Rudakubana. ''
''He allegedly visited Southport, collected knives and downloaded the same Al Qaeda manual used by Rudakubana to produce the poison ricin.''

Two teenagers who allegedly wanted to emulate Southport killer have been arrested

The pair have been charged with relatively minor offences, emerging just days after the conclusion of the first phase of the Southport inquiry.

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''The two "copycat" cases will raise fears of an increase in potential attacks targeting schools and particularly young girls at dance schools.
There are more than 11,000 dance schools in the UK and it is one of the most popular forms of exercise for girls.
Neither teenager has been charged with preparing terrorist attacks because targeting schoolchildren and misogynistic attacks are not considered "ideological" offences by prosecutors.
The pair have instead been charged with relatively minor offences.''

 

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10 November 2025 rbbm

Two 'would-be copycats' of the Southport killer are arrested

It comes as referrals to the Prevent de-radicalisation programme with 'no ideology' have soared over the past year to make up more than half of all cases, although only 7 per cent were offered intervention.

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''Two teenagers have been arrested after seeking to copy the Southport killer, it can be disclosed.''

''The first copycat case involved a 17-year-old who talked of emulating Rudakubana and conducted research into obtaining large knives.
Police found a note on his phone headed 'places to attack', which included images of a dance school near his home in Cwmbran, South Wales. Location data suggested he had been close to the school just days before his arrest in June.''
He also researched other potential targets, including his own school, and told people on Snapchat of a plan to attack the first Oasis reunion concert on July 4 in Cardiff.
''He pleaded guilty to possession of a document useful for terrorism, and is to be sentenced in January.''

''In the second case, a boy aged 16 from Merseyside allegedly planned to attack a Taylor Swift-themed event wearing a hoodie in the same way as Rudakubana. ''
''He allegedly visited Southport, collected knives and downloaded the same Al Qaeda manual used by Rudakubana to produce the poison ricin.''

Two teenagers who allegedly wanted to emulate Southport killer have been arrested

The pair have been charged with relatively minor offences, emerging just days after the conclusion of the first phase of the Southport inquiry.

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''The two "copycat" cases will raise fears of an increase in potential attacks targeting schools and particularly young girls at dance schools.
There are more than 11,000 dance schools in the UK and it is one of the most popular forms of exercise for girls.
Neither teenager has been charged with preparing terrorist attacks because targeting schoolchildren and misogynistic attacks are not considered "ideological" offences by prosecutors.
The pair have instead been charged with relatively minor offences.''

Disgraceful, but not surprised. These dangerous individuals will likely be back out on the streets in no time.
The justice systems all over the world is still not taking violence against women and girls seriously, especially considering the proven links to terrorist attacks.

 

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Southport killer's parents could yet face criminal charges

Merseyside police said they would be 'obtaining full transcripts' of the hearings from last week, when Axel Rudakubana's parents spent two days in the witness box.

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Quite right too.
JMO

 

[Dotta]

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"Today,
a solicitor representing the parents of Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, Bebe King, six, and Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine, who were murdered,
welcomed the police's decision to evaluate their evidence
and said they were 'confident' criminal charges would follow.

'They knew how dangerous he was,
yet they stayed silent',
Elsie's mother and father, Jenni and David Stancombe, said.

'They didn't report their concerns,
they didn't act,
and in doing so, they failed not only as parents but as members of our society'.

It is understood that the Rudakubanas were investigated as part of Merseyside Police's wider criminal inquiry into the attack.

In June,
a spokesman said it had been determined that 'no further charges' would be brought because the evidence gathered did not pass the 'police threshold' of criminality.

A spokesman for Merseyside Police today said:
'We will obtain full transcripts from the inquiry
and assess whether new information was provided that wasn't known'."