GUILTY UK- Major incident declared in Southport after multiple stabbings, 29 July 2024

[Skigh]

He looks like he cannot stand his own stench, imo, speculation.

Southport ‘killer’ remains silent in court after 'Al-Qaeda manual & ricin found'

THE Southport “triple killer” remained silent as he appeared in court on terror charges today after an Al-Qaeda manual and ricin were allegedly found at his home. Axel Rudakubana is acc…

www.thesun.co.uk

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Not every mass attack by a ‘lone actor’ is linked to terrorism, says UK expert

Jonathan Hall KC says having terrorist material does not always mean someone is a terrorist, as Southport suspect to appear in court

www.theguardian.com

rbbm.
''Hall told the BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think these days the difference between whether an attack is a terrorist attack or not a terrorist attack is often wafer-thin. That’s just because of the profile of people who are now involved in attacks, by which I mean lone actors.

“You might say to yourself: ‘Why on earth would someone carry out a mass casualty attack; surely the only reason for doing an attack on strangers and killing people is to advance a terrorist cause?’

“But we know, don’t we, from the US where there are these terrible school massacres the whole time, those don’t seem to be terrorist attacks at all. These are often quite young people who are trying to emulate previous attacks, maybe to get notoriety, maybe because they have got a grievance against their school.''

''He added: “There are cases, it sounds bizarre but it’s absolutely true, where someone has got al-Qaida material, someone has got IRA material, someone’s got extreme right material and sometimes all that you can really say when you look at someone’s devices is: ‘This individual is fascinated with violence.’”

Not sure I agree with this . Seems to be another attempt at deflecting away from him being a terrorist.

 

[dotr]

Not sure I agree with this . Seems to be another attempt at deflecting away from him being a terrorist.

The baby boy look for sympathy? speculation.

Ricin

Learn more about ricin and what to do if you are exposed.

emergency.cdc.gov

• 'Ricin is a poison found naturally in castor beans. If castor beans are chewed and swallowed, the released ricin can cause injury. Ricin can be made from the waste material left over from processing castor beans.'
• 
  
• ''In the 1940s the U.S. military experimented with using ricin as a possible warfare agent. In some reports ricin has possibly been used as a warfare agent in the 1980s in Iraq and more recently by terrorist organizations.
• Ricin poisoning is not contagious. Ricin-associated illness cannot be spread from person to person through casual contact. However, if you come into contact with someone who has ricin on their body or clothes, you could become exposed to it.''
• Because no antidote exists for ricin, the most important factor is avoiding ricin exposure in the first place.
• If exposure cannot be avoided, the most important factor is then getting the ricin off or out of the body as quickly as possible.''

 

[Skigh]

The baby boy look for sympathy? speculation.

Ricin

Learn more about ricin and what to do if you are exposed.

emergency.cdc.gov

• 'Ricin is a poison found naturally in castor beans. If castor beans are chewed and swallowed, the released ricin can cause injury. Ricin can be made from the waste material left over from processing castor beans.'
• 
  
• ''In the 1940s the U.S. military experimented with using ricin as a possible warfare agent. In some reports ricin has possibly been used as a warfare agent in the 1980s in Iraq and more recently by terrorist organizations.
• Ricin poisoning is not contagious. Ricin-associated illness cannot be spread from person to person through casual contact. However, if you come into contact with someone who has ricin on their body or clothes, you could become exposed to it.''
• Because no antidote exists for ricin, the most important factor is avoiding ricin exposure in the first place.
• If exposure cannot be avoided, the most important factor is then getting the ricin off or out of the body as quickly as possible.''

I just wonder how much he had produced and where he intended to use it.
If a teenage boy can produce it in his bedroom then other terrorists could also produce vast amounts.

 

[seasideForest]

Who would not have been angry and made wild statements about this tragedy in the heat of the moment?

The mother of little Elsie Dot Stancombe asked specifically that people stop the violence!

'Stop the violence': Mother of girl, 7, stabbed to death in Southport pleads for calm after riots

The mother of one of the girls stabbed to death in Southport has called for calm after the riots in the town on Tuesday night.

www.lbc.co.uk

Words and their content/message can be violent. They certainly seemed to whip up physical violence in this case.

You can be angry without making wild statements, which are irresponsible imo. Acting in the heat of the moment sometimes leads to someone's death - husband sees wife with other man, shoots both. Heat of the moment. It's good to learn to control it.

Or if one really feels the need to make wild statements, then in your personal journal on paper, not on social media!! People need to be careful. Drop a match in the woods in dry weather and there's a forest fire.

All JMO.

 

[Yellowbelly]

Thanks.
I asked b/c I know that the age when the crime was committed matters,
not age at trial.

Trial can be held even years later.

But,
if the defendant was 17 then (minor)
he still can be tried as an adult due to severity of crime.

But I'm not sure if it was ever mentioned.

JMO

I don't think there's much difference as to how a 17 year old is tried as to how an 18 year old is tried. What's important is the sentencing, which is on the basis of your age when you committed the offence. For the most serious murders the starting point is only three years less if the murder was committed by a 17 year old than and 18 year old, 27 years as opposed to 30 years.

Sentencing Act 2020

An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to sentencing.

www.legislation.gov.uk

 

[Dotta]

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'Mr Rudakubana has remained silent at previous hearings as well'.

For reasons of his own he has chosen not to answer the question

Stan Reiz KC, defending

Southport suspect silent when appearing in court facing fresh charges

Axel Rudakubana, 18, faces additional charges of the production of a biological toxin, ricin.

www.whitchurchherald.co.uk

 

[Sarahlou]

Why is he always covering his face?

 

[Dotta]

Why is he always covering his face?

"Reasons of his own"

 

[Dotta]

I don't think there's much difference as to how a 17 year old is tried as to how an 18 year old is tried. What's important is the sentencing, which is on the basis of your age when you committed the offence. For the most serious murders the starting point is only three years less if the murder was committed by a 17 year old than and 18 year old, 27 years as opposed to 30 years.

Sentencing Act 2020

An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to sentencing.

www.legislation.gov.uk

Thanks.
I simply used common nomenclature.
"To be tried as an adult"
"To be tried as a juvenile"

Trial as an adult - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[QB2022]

Thanks.
I simply used common nomenclature.
"To be tried as an adult"
"To be tried as a juvenile"

Trial as an adult - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

In the UK it isn't a decision whether to trial as a juvenile or adult. They are trialed as a juvenile if they are a juvenile.

 

[Dotta]

Full Statement from Chief Constable ​

Serena Kennedy and partners​

following further charges for Axel Rudakubana.​

https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2024/october/statement-from-chief-constable-serena-kennedy-and-partners-following-further-charges-for-axel-rudakubana/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851313274647953445

 

[roche.analisa]

Full Statement from Chief Constable ​

Serena Kennedy and partners​

following further charges for Axel Rudakubana.​

https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2024/october/statement-from-chief-constable-serena-kennedy-and-partners-following-further-charges-for-axel-rudakubana/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851313274647953445

TLDR: the public is not, and never has been, at risk from the ricin.

 

[worldwatcher]

Translated from Dutch press :

“The new indictment follows, among other things, after house searches. In doing so, the police discovered that he had in his possession a manual from the Islamic terrorist movement Al Qaeda on committing terror in cities. He also turned out to have produced ricin at home, a substance that is almost exclusively used as a chemical weapon, according to the Chemical Weapons Convention”
BBM

Verdachte steekpartij Southport aangeklaagd voor terrorisme na vondst Al Qaida-handboek

I don’t remember, if he was living at his parents/ family house ,att
How many houses were searched?

ETA:
“The charges come after searches of his home in Banks, Lancashire, Merseyside Police Chief Constable Serena Kennedy said at a press conference on Tuesday.”
Southport stabbing suspect charged with terror offence and production of poison
Families with children are 'posing for photos' outside murder accused's house

And was he planning to commit a chemical attack in a city?

 

[worldwatcher]

Why is he always covering his face?

My speculation is that he has a beard, and wanted to shave it,after his brutal attack,so he couldn’t be recognized…or it’s a extreme religious thing?

ETA: it’s very odd,that there is no mugshot of him published.
It doesn’t add up,imo
I saw underage mugshots published publicly
“Hundreds of people were arrested. Some of them were given long prison sentences”
(Same source,I posted in my previous post)

 

[Luna*]

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'Mr Rudakubana has remained silent at previous hearings as well'.


Stan Reiz KC, defending

Southport suspect silent when appearing in court facing fresh charges

Axel Rudakubana, 18, faces additional charges of the production of a biological toxin, ricin.

www.whitchurchherald.co.uk

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'Mr Rudakubana has remained silent at previous hearings as well'.


Stan Reiz KC, defending

Southport suspect silent when appearing in court facing fresh charges

Axel Rudakubana, 18, faces additional charges of the production of a biological toxin, ricin.

www.whitchurchherald.co.uk

Wonder if he’s hiding a jihadi beard ?

He chooses for his own reasons not to answer when asked to confirm his name…reckon that’s because he doesn’t go by his birth name

 

[Luna*]

My thoughts on the reason he didn’t take the ricin to Heart Space is simply because it wasn’t ready in time, the police stated it was in production.

The Swifty dance class had been advertised for weeks prior to the murders so was it a planned terrorist attack ? His weapon wasn’t ready but decided to carry out his plan anyways ‍ I can’t think of any other motives

 

[PoirotPink]

My thoughts on the reason he didn’t take the ricin to Heart Space is simply because it wasn’t ready in time, the police stated it was in production.

The Swifty dance class had been advertised for weeks prior to the murders so was it a planned terrorist attack ? His weapon wasn’t ready but decided to carry out his plan anyways ‍ I can’t think of any other motives

Planning doesn't make an attack a terrorist attack. School shootings are always planned but they are rarely classed as terrorism. Terrorism requires an ideological motivation, whether that's political, religious or otherwise.

The police have throughly investigated and found zero evidence of any such motivation.

 

[dotr]

Wondering now, if he is covering his mouth and not grooming his hair, is an attempt to disguise himself from the other prisoners? speculation, imo.

Southport attack: What questions are being asked about the case?

The complexities of how our prosecutions work can mean there are limits on what the public can know.

www.bbc.com

Oct 31 2024 Dominic Casciani
''There is a universal rule covering all criminal cases in England and Wales which means that there can be no reporting of the evidence that a defendant faces, or anything else that could compromise a trial, before they have either pleaded guilty or a jury has heard the details first.

This is not a ban on the truth.

It is a postponement of reporting the details to ensure that a jury is not influenced and base their decision solely on the evidence they hear in court. It is how our justice system tries to guarantee all defendants receive a fair hearing.

Other countries, notably the United States, think this is unnecessary. And many British journalists (I declare an interest) think these rules - part of what is known as Contempt of Court - need rethinking.''

 

[Dotta]

Wondering now, if he is covering his mouth and not grooming his hair, is an attempt to disguise himself from the other prisoners? speculation, imo.
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Southport attack: What questions are being asked about the case?

The complexities of how our prosecutions work can mean there are limits on what the public can know.

www.bbc.com

Oct 31 2024 Dominic Casciani
''There is a universal rule covering all criminal cases in England and Wales which means that there can be no reporting of the evidence that a defendant faces, or anything else that could compromise a trial, before they have either pleaded guilty or a jury has heard the details first.

This is not a ban on the truth.

It is a postponement of reporting the details to ensure that a jury is not influenced and base their decision solely on the evidence they hear in court. It is how our justice system tries to guarantee all defendants receive a fair hearing.

Other countries, notably the United States, think this is unnecessary. And many British journalists (I declare an interest) think these rules - part of what is known as Contempt of Court - need rethinking.''

I wonder if he is undergoing any psychiatric evaluation.

These Court sketches look...ummm...
peculiar?



Oh well...

 

[dotr]

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