GUILTY UK- Major incident declared in Southport after multiple stabbings, 29 July 2024

[Skigh]

AR is realising he's a marked man & is now trying to get a reputation as a hard case not to be messed with. He's unlikely to be released so any further sentencing is not going to bother him.

Could be that he has sought membership of one of the prison's main gangs and this attack was part of his initiation.

 

[Skigh]

the wing normally has a hot water tap for making tea, coffee etc the water is boiling hot. they call it prison napalm and mix it up with sugar to make a thick sticky liquid that doesnt wash off and stays on the skin burning for longer. I'm genuinely wondering now about these prisons, if someone told him about that and he then did it, who told him? belmarsh as well, houses varied types of prisoner, from gang members to petty thieves basically all sorts not like monster mansion. one might hope the normal prisoners might bump into him even on the vip wing but ahsnt happened yet. fingers crossed.

There is no way that high category prisoners should be able to access boiling water.

 

[iamshadow21]

Could be that he has sought membership of one of the prison's main gangs and this attack was part of his initiation.

He doesn't strike me as a joiner. Explosively violent for no reason, however...

MOO

 

[Dotta]

He doesn't strike me as a joiner. Explosively violent for no reason, however...

MOO

Ummm .....

He could join a Prison Choir

If such exists, of course.

Didn't his neighbour report his constant singing?

"Music soothes the savage beast"

Who said this?

JMO

 

[Skigh]

He doesn't strike me as a joiner. Explosively violent for no reason, however...

MOO

I think that being provided protection from being in a gang could very easily make him a joiner.

 

[Sarahlou]

AR is realising he's a marked man & is now trying to get a reputation as a hard case not to be messed with. He's unlikely to be released so any further sentencing is not going to bother him.

True. Not sure he'd enjoy being kept like Robert Maudsley though. If he keeps attacking people he may end up in the same situation.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

True. Not sure he'd enjoy being kept like Robert Maudsley though. If he keeps attacking people he may end up in the same situation.

Maybe they could swap him with Robert Maudsley, Robert is old now and likely not as much of a threat as AR. JMO

 

[Skigh]

Maybe they could swap him with Robert Maudsley, Robert is old now and likely not as much of a threat as AR. JMO

Maybe they could share the cell,company for each other.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Maybe they could share the cell,company for each other.

IMO that wouldn't be fair to Robert Maudsley. AR should be in solitary for the rest of his life where he can't even attempt to do anything like this again. How must his victims' families and his surviving victims feel knowing that he was able to attack again? JMO

 

[Skigh]

Prison safety 'total disgrace', home secretary admits

Supervision of Axel Rudakubana , 18, was reportedly downgraded just before he used a kettle in his cell to boil water which he then launched over the officer at HMP Belmarsh on Thursday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Former prison governor and extremism adviser Ian Acheson said there was no rule that mandated Rudakubana to be allowed a kettle in his cell.

‘This process seems to have fallen apart at HMP Belmarsh and other high security prisons where the rights of prisoners take precedence over safety of staff and a naive assumption that giving them things including potentially lethal weapons will appease them,’ he added.

‘The tail wags the dog, and officers are hospitalised as a consequence. It's no wonder new officers join and leave such a dangerous environment with increasing rapidity.’

Rudakubana was jailed for a minimum of 52 years in January for the murders of three girls and attempted murders of eight other children, class instructor Leanne Lucas and businessman John Hayes.

The Sun reported that his prison supervision was downgraded in recent weeks as he was previously in a healthcare unit being monitored round the clock.

 

[Marantz4250b]

This is why I agree at times with the death penalty

He’s a monster

Same here but we keep getting examples as to why it's often not a good idea. This from only today:

Peter Sullivan who has spent 38 years in jail for murder has conviction quashed

Mr Sullivan was convicted of murdering Diane Sindall in Birkenhead in August 1986 but a review found his DNA was not present on samples preserved at the time.

news.sky.com

This appears to be one of those - he couldn't possibly have done it - cases rather than something where the evidence was a bit sketchy. The chances of the guy hanging would, imo, have been very high given how the case is described in the reports.

 

[Skigh]

I think that the death penalty would have to be for cases where the perpetrator was caught in the act at the scene of the crime or on video actually commiting the crime.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I think that the death penalty would have to be for cases where the perpetrator was caught in the act at the scene of the crime or on video actually commiting the crime.

Which are virtually non-existent in the real world.

You also have the problem of the standard of evidence; caught by whom? How easy is it to actually 100% identify someone on a video?

Anyway, this is drifting now.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Southport stabbings survivor launches campaign to end use of traditional kitchen knives

Leanne Lucas tells Sky News she wants blunt-tipped knives to be used in home kitchens in a campaign she says is "for the girls" killed in the July 2024 attack.

news.sky.com

In one of her first television interviews since the July 2024 attack, Leanne Lucas, 36, tells Sky News it was the "tip of the knife" that caused injuries that led to her "nearly dying".

"A safer option is to go for curved or blunt-tip knives... that reduces that risk of the kitchen knife being used ever as a weapon," she says.

It's an issue about which Ms Lucas feels "passionate".

 

[Marantz4250b]

Southport stabbings survivor launches campaign to end use of traditional kitchen knives

Leanne Lucas tells Sky News she wants blunt-tipped knives to be used in home kitchens in a campaign she says is "for the girls" killed in the July 2024 attack.

news.sky.com

In one of her first television interviews since the July 2024 attack, Leanne Lucas, 36, tells Sky News it was the "tip of the knife" that caused injuries that led to her "nearly dying".

"A safer option is to go for curved or blunt-tip knives... that reduces that risk of the kitchen knife being used ever as a weapon," she says.

It's an issue about which Ms Lucas feels "passionate".

I have immense respect for this lady - her bravery was legendary, quite honestly.

Campaigns like this I don't have too much time for, though. Banning "pointed" knives is quite simply ludicrous and won't work on so many levels, the obvious one being that it's extremely easy to make a sharp pointy thing, even if it didn't start out t like that. Also, there is an endless list of perfectly good reasons to have them.

The even more strikingly obvious reason why this is a total waste of time is that, lets face it, the person who did this was so fanatical and so determined that he'd just have found a way to do it anyway. Having no access to a pointed knife wouldn't have stopped him.

You often see people who have been subjected to tragic situations who end up fronting campaigns like this and I often get the impression that it is rarely them who start them. They, I think, are often co-opted by others for whatever reason.

I've never been one for conspiracy theory rubbish but these things often strike me as an attempt to divert attention away from the real and far more serious issues behind a particular problem; issues which require actual, real world, hard work to tackle that society either can't, or doesn't want, to address.

 

[bbsaz]

I have immense respect for this lady - her bravery was legendary, quite honestly.

Campaigns like this I don't have too much time for, though. Banning "pointed" knives is quite simply ludicrous and won't work on so many levels, the obvious one being that it's extremely easy to make a sharp pointy thing, even if it didn't start out t like that. Also, there is an endless list of perfectly good reasons to have them.

The even more strikingly obvious reason why this is a total waste of time is that, lets face it, the person who did this was so fanatical and so determined that he'd just have found a way to do it anyway. Having no access to a pointed knife wouldn't have stopped him.

You often see people who have been subjected to tragic situations who end up fronting campaigns like this and I often get the impression that it is rarely them who start them. They, I think, are often co-opted by others for whatever reason.

I've never been one for conspiracy theory rubbish but these things often strike me as an attempt to divert attention away from the real and far more serious issues behind a particular problem; issues which require actual, real world, hard work to tackle that society either can't, or doesn't want, to address.

My first reaction was to agree with you, until I read more into it and it said it is about social change. If over time everyone is opting for blunted knives then the manufacturers will stop making pointed ones. You don't even use the pointy bit really.

And the majority of knife crime is kids taking knives from their parents kitchen drawers thinking they are more protected by carrying one themselves. Then situations escalate, or they act impulsively as young kids tend to do, and the consequences are irreversible.

It would take time, but if the movement/change starts now, in 20yrs, kids could have significantly reduced access to pointed kitchen knifes, that they use with fatal consequences....having never intended to when they went out that night

 

[bbsaz]

Of course Axel R planned his crime, and would have found a way regardless. His types are thankfully rare.
But Leanne is working with the Ben Kinsella Foundation, which I think is focusing their efforts on the more common youth knife crime, that tends to be impulsive acts, when they only have a family kitchen knife on them to seem hard and feel protected

 

[crespo29]

It looks like the police have changed their procedure regarding giving out information. The latest incident in Liverpool, a man driving his car into football supporters was described as a white man. So I am assuming in future if a suspect is not described as white, he will be a non-white. Here is a quote in today's Guardian newspaper:

Dal Babu told BBC Radio 5 Live: “What we do have, which is unprecedented, is the police very quickly giving the ethnicity and the race of the person who was driving the vehicle and I think that was, and it was Merseyside Police who didn’t give that information with the Southport horrific murders of those three girls, and the rumours were that it was an asylum seeker who arrived on a boat and it was a Muslim extremist and that wasn’t the case.

“So I think what the police have done very very quickly, and I’ve never known a case like this before where they’ve given the ethnicity and the race of the individual who was involved in it, so I think that was to dampen down some of the speculation from the far-right that sort of continues on X, even as we speak, that this was a Muslim extremist and there’s a conspiracy theory.

He was asked if it was a result of Merseyside Police having learned the lessons from what happened after the Southport attacks last year, when three young girls were stabbed to death, and others seriously wounded. Following the attack, Merseyside Police were criticised for not releasing information to the public, allowing speculation to mount over the identity and motive of the attacker.

“Yeah, absolutely, I think you’re spot on,” Babu said. “It’s remarkably striking because police will not release that kind of information because they’ll be worried about prejudicing any future trial, but I think they have to balance that against the potential of public disorder and we had massive public disorder after the far-right extremists had spread these rumours.”

He added: “The difficulty we have is in the olden days, when I was policing, you would have a conversation with trusty journalists, print journalists, radio journalists, broadcasting journalists, you’d have a conversation and say look can you please hold fire on sharing this information and people would listen, we don’t have that with social media, it’s like the wild west and anything goes and so puts the police in a very, very difficult position.”

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928580124401602966

 

[Yellowbelly]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928580124401602966

Actually, this bit is interesting -

"Rudakubana is also believed to have had visits from an imam, a person who leads prayers in a mosque, since his attack."

So he has converted, then.