GUILTY UK- Major incident declared in Southport after multiple stabbings, 29 July 2024

[RobinCAL]

Remove violent content seen by Southport killer now, says Reeves

Material seen by Southport murderer Axel Rudakubana should be removed by tech firms, the chancellor says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[dotr]

Noting that a rumour was circulating that he was beaten up in jail, afaik, apparently it is not true.
If they really want to torture him without the use of violence, inmates could dress him up - or be dressed themselves as ''Swifties'', play her music and dance around him. imo, speculation.

Southport killer Axel Rudakubana allegedly beaten up by prison inmates

Unconfirmed reports are swirling on social media that Southport killer Axel Rudakubana has been beaten up by inmates.

www.lep.co.uk

26th Jan 2025
''Unconfirmed reports are swirling on social media that Southport killer Axel Rudakubana has been beaten up by inmates.''

Axel Rudakubana not attacked in prison after being sentenced to 52 years

An audio recording doing the rounds on social media suggested that two inmates were allowed into Axel Rudakubana's cell, where they carried out an attack on the 18-year-old

www.birminghammail.co.uk

''The audio recording implied that two prisoners were permitted into Rudakubana's cell and assaulted him. However, the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) later confirmed to the Mirror that these claims were false and that Rudakubana had not been attacked.''

 

[Dotta]

Noting that a rumour was circulating that he was beaten up in jail, afaik, apparently it is not true.
If they really want to torture him without the use of violence, inmates could dress him up - or be dressed themselves as ''Swifties'', play her music and dance around him. imo, speculation.

Southport killer Axel Rudakubana allegedly beaten up by prison inmates

Unconfirmed reports are swirling on social media that Southport killer Axel Rudakubana has been beaten up by inmates.

www.lep.co.uk

26th Jan 2025
''Unconfirmed reports are swirling on social media that Southport killer Axel Rudakubana has been beaten up by inmates.''

Axel Rudakubana not attacked in prison after being sentenced to 52 years

An audio recording doing the rounds on social media suggested that two inmates were allowed into Axel Rudakubana's cell, where they carried out an attack on the 18-year-old

www.birminghammail.co.uk

''The audio recording implied that two prisoners were permitted into Rudakubana's cell and assaulted him. However, the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) later confirmed to the Mirror that these claims were false and that Rudakubana had not been attacked.''

Oh well...
as I wrote previously...

Biiiiiig headache for Prison Authorities.
This criminal will keep the staff on their toes IMO

Tough!

JMO

 

[dotr]

Jan 27 2025

Southport killer Axel Rudakubana targeted girls due to hatred of women

Rudakubana, 18, was last week sentenced to life in prison with a minimum term of 52 years for the murders of three young girls at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class on July 29.

www.dailymail.co.uk

''Southport killer Axel Rudakubana launched his horror knife rampage out of an 'incel' hatred of women, classmates have claimed, while his father refused to introduce him to a family friend.''

''Now his former classmates have described him as an 'incel' who refused to speak to girls at school and who targeted the dance class in order to kill as many as possible.
Incels - or involuntary celibates - are typically single men who blame women for the problems in their lives''.

 

[Skigh]

Jan 27 2025

Southport killer Axel Rudakubana targeted girls due to hatred of women

Rudakubana, 18, was last week sentenced to life in prison with a minimum term of 52 years for the murders of three young girls at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class on July 29.

www.dailymail.co.uk

''Southport killer Axel Rudakubana launched his horror knife rampage out of an 'incel' hatred of women, classmates have claimed, while his father refused to introduce him to a family friend.''

''Now his former classmates have described him as an 'incel' who refused to speak to girls at school and who targeted the dance class in order to kill as many as possible.
Incels - or involuntary celibates - are typically single men who blame women for the problems in their lives''.

He had looked up a variety of terrorist attacks around the world. He had planned to go back to his school and carry out an attack which I doubt would be just an attack on just girls.
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[Marantz4250b]

R -v- Axel Rudakubana - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary

Liverpool Crown Court 23 January 2025 Before: Mr Justice Goose Between: R -v- Axel Rudakubana Sentencing note

www.judiciary.uk

Can anyone shed any light on how, exactly, the judge arrived at the sentences he gave as it doesn't seem to have any logic to it?

30. The Starting Point in deciding the minimum term in custody on Counts 1 – 3,must be 27 years, because he was 17 years old when he murdered Elsie, Bebe and Alice...

43. I am now going to sentence Axel Rudakubana, having explained my reasons.• On Counts 1 – 3, Murder, I sentence him to Custody for Life with a minimum term which he must serve in custody of 52 years, less the time he has already served. He has been in custody for 175 days on remand for which he will be credited. Therefore, the minimum term is 51 years and190 days

The judge doesn't explain precisely how he starts from 27 years and arrives at 52 years.

38. For each of the offences where he attempted to murder a child, being Counts 4 –11, the appropriate sentence guideline is category A2 with a Starting Point forsentence of 30 years, with a range up to 35 years. The very young age of each victim and the substantial planning by him, requires me to increase that sentence to the top of the range, before reducing it, to reflect his age, his late guilty plea and to reach the minimum term for these offences. Accordingly, I firstly reduce the sentence to 30 years for his age and 27 years for the guilty plea,leading to a minimum term of 18 years on each of Counts 4 – 11 concurrently.

This, on the face of it makes zero sense. If the starting point is 27 years then what was his reasoning for reducing it to 18 years?

I was under the impression that judges must give reasons as to why they arrived at the sentences they hand down. He hasn't done so, though.

 

[Dotta]

And I don't get
why the sentence for "ricin producing"
(18 years if IRC)
was decided to run concurrently.

It was a different crime,
so I thought it should be consecutive.

Ummm....
But then it would be 70 year sentence
Ooops!

But really
I'm OK with 52 year sentence.
Although "poison sentence" is symbolic
as it is concurrent.

JMO

 

[Marantz4250b]

And I don't get
why the sentence for "ricin producing"
(18 years if IRC)
was decided to run concurrently.

It was a different crime,
so I thought it should be consecutive.

Ummm....
But then it would be 70 year sentence Ooops!

But I'm OK with 52 year sentence.
Although "poison sentence" is symbolic
as it is concurrent.

JMO

Consecutive sentences are rare here. I can't actually recall one, tbh.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Consecutive sentences are rare here. I can't actually recall one, tbh.

The only one I can think of is Pawel Relowicz, Libby Squire's murder. He received consecutive sentences for his sex crimes before also being convicted of Libby's murder.

Polish butcher who spied on woman having sex is jailed

Pawel Relowicz, who lives in Hull, has been living in the UK for seven years and is a father of two. He admitted three counts of burglary, four of voyeurism and two of outraging public decency.

www.dailymail.co.uk

From article.
'Relowicz appeared to be on the verge of tears as he was handed an eight-year and six-month jail term at Sheffield Crown Court.

For each count of voyeurism he was given 15 months to run consecutively totalling five years imprisonment.'

It does, as you say, seem very rare indeed.

 

[Dotta]

The only one I can think of is Pawel Relowicz, Libby Squire's murder. He received consecutive sentences for his sex crimes before also being convicted of Libby's murder.

Polish butcher who spied on woman having sex is jailed

Pawel Relowicz, who lives in Hull, has been living in the UK for seven years and is a father of two. He admitted three counts of burglary, four of voyeurism and two of outraging public decency.

www.dailymail.co.uk

From article.
'Relowicz appeared to be on the verge of tears as he was handed an eight-year and six-month jail term at Sheffield Crown Court.

For each count of voyeurism he was given 15 months to run consecutively totalling five years imprisonment.'

It does, as you say, seem very rare indeed.

Terrible case
It brought me to WS.
Headline I saw in DM made me speechless.

 

[Yellowbelly]

R -v- Axel Rudakubana - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary

Liverpool Crown Court 23 January 2025 Before: Mr Justice Goose Between: R -v- Axel Rudakubana Sentencing note

www.judiciary.uk

Can anyone shed any light on how, exactly, the judge arrived at the sentences he gave as it doesn't seem to have any logic to it?

30. The Starting Point in deciding the minimum term in custody on Counts 1 – 3,must be 27 years, because he was 17 years old when he murdered Elsie, Bebe and Alice...

43. I am now going to sentence Axel Rudakubana, having explained my reasons.• On Counts 1 – 3, Murder, I sentence him to Custody for Life with a minimum term which he must serve in custody of 52 years, less the time he has already served. He has been in custody for 175 days on remand for which he will be credited. Therefore, the minimum term is 51 years and190 days

The judge doesn't explain precisely how he starts from 27 years and arrives at 52 years.

38. For each of the offences where he attempted to murder a child, being Counts 4 –11, the appropriate sentence guideline is category A2 with a Starting Point forsentence of 30 years, with a range up to 35 years. The very young age of each victim and the substantial planning by him, requires me to increase that sentence to the top of the range, before reducing it, to reflect his age, his late guilty plea and to reach the minimum term for these offences. Accordingly, I firstly reduce the sentence to 30 years for his age and 27 years for the guilty plea,leading to a minimum term of 18 years on each of Counts 4 – 11 concurrently.

This, on the face of it makes zero sense. If the starting point is 27 years then what was his reasoning for reducing it to 18 years?

I was under the impression that judges must give reasons as to why they arrived at the sentences they hand down. He hasn't done so, though.

Doesn't he give the aggravating and mitigating factors for counts 1-3 in points 30 and 31. Basically, the aggravating factors are so enormous that they allowed the judge to pretty much double the sentence from the starting point.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Doesn't he give the aggravating and mitigating factors for counts 1-3 in points 30 and 31. Basically, the aggravating factors are so enormous that they allowed the judge to pretty much double the sentence from the starting point.

He doesn't explain how he arrived at 52 years, though. Why 52 rather than 50 or 55? The figure he handed down was way, way more than the starting point so there must be some logic behind it. As it stands it seems as though he simply plucked a number out of thin air because there is no explanation for. He hasn't shown his workings, if you see what I mean?

Also, on the other counts. He said it was towards the higher end of seriousness so started at 35 years and reduced it to 30 for his age (fair enough) and then 10% for a guilty plea which brought the minimum to 27 years - which I still think is too much given the lateness of the plea. How, then did he arrive at 16 or 18 years or whatever it was in the end?

Even that doesn't really make a lot of sense because even if he actually handed down 27 years then why did he go downwards on these counts (from 35 years) but massively upwards on the murder convictions? It was all part of the same offending event and if he had managed to kill one of those he tried to then he'd have been given 52 years for it, so surely logically those should have been uplifted as the murder sentences were?

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, tbh.

 

[bobbymkii]

Consecutive sentences are rare here. I can't actually recall one, tbh.

This one from the end of last year. Parents got consecutive sentences for one child who died, and his brother who survived with life changing medical needs. Horrible case, consecutive sentences well and truly deserved!

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[Sweeper2000]

Totally ridiculous. This is a particularly grim and obvious example of preventable violence. too many lives shattered and too many minds irrevocably damaged because someone didn't do their job properly. I am almost sure prevent can refer to other services if it is thought necessary.

It has emerged since his conviction that despite repeated warnings about his growing obsession with extreme violence as early as 2019, the Prevent counter-extremism scheme concluded Rudakubana posed NO THREAT, allowing him to remain UNSUPERVISED.

Axel Rudakubana's dad 'didn't let family friend meet' Southport murderer

The father of Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana, 18, refused to let a friend visit the family home the year before he murdered three children at Taylor Swift dance class, new reports say

www.mirror.co.uk

I do wonder if they are still open to a wlo. i doubt they are, the human rights record of the UK is quite good. I still think he will die behind bars anyway but couldn't be more ok with that.

Inquiry should consider whole-life term for Southport killer, says children’s tsar​

Dame Rachel de Souza says we need to ‘get really serious’ about stopping an Axel Rudakubana copycat

Inquiry should consider whole-life term for Southport killer, says children’s tsar

Dame Rachel de Souza says we need to ‘get really serious’ about stopping an Axel Rudakubana copycat

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Skigh]

Current and ex-cops slam scheme that didn't stop Southport attack

EXCLUSIVE: Former police officers said Britain's anti-terrorism scheme is unable to protect the public after three opportunities were missed to stop the Southport child murderer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Skigh]

Axel Rudakubana refuses to leave cell during new court hearing

Axel Rudakubana, 18, was resentenced to detention at His Majesty's Pleasure over the horrific murders on Merseyside last summer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The type of sentence had to be changed because he was nine days off his 18th birthday - and still a juvenile - when his shocking knife attack took place at a Taylor Swift-themed school holiday dance class.

The new sentences will not change Rudakubana’s minimum term of 52 years minus time spent in custody prior to the original sentencing hearing on January 23.

The judge, Mr Justice Goose, reconvened for the 10-minute hearing at Liverpool Crown Court this morning.

He said: ‘This is a variation of sentence. The purpose of this hearing is to correct a technical error which will have no effect on the total sentence imposed on the defendant.

‘The prosecution in their sentencing note suggested the life sentences for the defendant on counts 1-3 (the murders). That was an error. I’m satisfied to amend the sentence to detention under His Majesty’s pleasure’.

 

[Smccat]

He has lost his liberty .. I’d have dragged him there.

 

[Skigh]

Axel Rudakubana's anti-terror referral should have been kept open, review finds

The report highlighted that in his second referral to Prevent, Axel Rudakubana's name was spelt differently from the first. It noted a Prevent supervisor was unable to find the previous referral and "this may have caused the case to be closed quickly on minimal information".

news.sky.com

 

[Dotta]

Well,
small mistakes cause big trouble...
Every mistake counts.

Butterfly effect?

JMO

 

[Dotta]

Top cop whose team failed to flag Axel Rudakubana led bungled paedophile probe

Dominic Scally headed up counterterrorism policing for the North West and was responsible for officers who decided Axel Rudakubana’s behaviour did not warrant further intervention

www.mirror.co.uk