UK -Major incident declared - UK anti-terror police investigating possible nerve agent attack, 2018

[CARIIS]

Sam Hobson, 29, a friend of the couple, described how on Saturday morning Sturgess fell ill and was taken to hospital. Later that morning Rowley also became sick.
Hobson said he and the couple spent time in Queen Elizabeth Gardens on Friday. “We were having a drink and chilling in the sun,” he said.
Wiltshire novichok poisoning investigated by counter-terror police

The map shows Queen Elizabeth Gardens is approximately 1/4 mile from the site where the Russian spy and his daughter were found poisoned.

Images below

After seeing the pics makes me wonder if they wanted to infect a lot of people -- it is not like a tavern!

What are their vocations?

Queen Elizabeth Gardens britain bar - Google Search

 

[CARIIS]

sorry if dup not caught up


tidbits

Novichok poisoning: family of Dawn Sturgess heard about Amesbury collapse on TV

The family of the woman who collapsed in Amesbury learnt from watching Sky News that the matter had been scaled up into a major incident.

Dawn Sturgess’s parents and sisters had been keeping a bedside vigil with her at Salisbury District Hospital since Saturday. Police initially attributed her symptoms to a drug overdose.

Her family realised that Ms Sturgess, 44, and her partner Charlie Rowley, 45, had been connected with a wider incident only when news broke on television early yesterday.

Her father Stephen, 65, speaking from his home in nearby Durrington, told The Times: “We haven’t heard from the police

Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess

riend describes Mr Rowley acting 'like zombie' hours after his girlfriend fell unconscious

Charlie was fine at first.”

He said Mr Rowley the slipped into a "zombie-like state" himself several hours later and was taken to Salisbury District Hospital, where they both remain in isolation in a critical condition.

The same hospital treated former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter

Rowley started falling ill around four hours after Ms Sturgess was taken to hospital, while they were preparing clothes to take to her.

He felt ill and went for a shower. Then his eyes went bloodshot and like two pin pricks, he began garbling incoherently and I could tell he was hallucinating.

"He was making weird noises and acting like a zombie. It was a zombie-like state. He slumped against the wall.”

believed the illness was drugs-related because of his friend’s struggle with addiction.

A specialist “decontamination shower” was taken to the scene by Dorset and Wiltshire Fire and Rescue Service on Saturday, but a crew from Swindon later tweeted that “thankfully the incident wasn't serious and our decontamination shower wasn't required”. The tweet has since been deleted.



Dawn Sturgess (aged 44 in 2018) is a British resident of Salisbury from Durrington, Wiltshire, United Kingdom.[2][3] She is a mother of three, reported to have been living in a homeless shelter.[3]

themales :
jailed for eight weeks for posession of eleven wraps of heroin and theft of £1,700 from Matthew Rowley. He was already serving a suspended sentence for driving while banned.[6]


kinda odd statement? Sam Hobson, a friend of Rowley said that she pair had touched an unspecified item in Queen Elizabeth Gardens in Salisbury then began feeling ill

He is in a methadone program

MAN caught with 11 wraps of heroin has been jailed for eight weeks.

Charles Rowley, 42, of Exeter Street, Salisbury also stole almost £1,700 from Matthew Rowley between March and July this year.

He was already serving a suspended sentence for driving while banned.

He admitted all the charges on October 30. 2015

Ministry of Defence sources claim the couple were poisoned by a substance that has been retrieved

Rowley is a registered heroin addict

raig Murray has noted it unusual that Rowley and Sturgess, despite being unemployed, were in an expensive property on Muggleton Road, Amesbury. According to Zoopla homes range from £270,000 up to £430,000 on that road, which is a new build estate. Murray noted that on Rowley's facebook page, one of his “Likes” is a mortgage broker, which Murray found to be consistent with his brand new house. Murray also speculated whether Pablo Miller might know Sturgess or Rowley from having lived in the same community.[8]

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/novichok-poisoning-family-of-dawn-sturgess-heard-about-amesbury-collapse-on-tv-nhdmwdpr0

Charlie Rowley



Couple 'poisoned' in major incident at Wiltshire are named

Man caught with 11 wraps of heroin jailed | Salisbury Journal



2015 area mentioned in arrest article not sure where this takes us was trying to get an idea of his living area back in 2015 but not sure how to narrow down !!

Exeter Street, Salisbury - Google Search

 

[Shiressleuth]

Heard on radio there is another Cobra meeting today about the incident.

Will find link.

BBC Wiltshire (@BBCWiltshire) on Twitter

Several tweets down. Home Secretary will chair the meeting this a.m.

(I noticed England's World Cup quarter final match is also worth tweeting about)

 

[CARIIS]

Queen Elizabeth Gardens in Salisbury, a property at John Baker House, Rolleston Street, Salisbury, a Muggleton Road property, Boots the Chemist, Stonehenge Walk, Amesbury and Amesbury Baptist Centre have also been cordoned off.

advising that people who visited the sites between 10pm on June 29 and 6.30pm on Saturday, June 30, undertake the following actions."

If you visited any of the five locations identified by police you should:

• Wash the clothing that you were wearing in an ordinary washing machine using your regular detergent at the temperature recommended for the clothing

• Wipe personal items such as phones, handbags and other electronic items with cleansing or baby wipes and dispose of the wipes in the bin (ordinary domestic waste disposal)

• If your items are dry-clean only, you should keep them double-bagged and securely fastened. Further details will follow.

• None of these actions should damage your washing machine

• Other items such as jewellery and spectacles which cannot go in the washing machine or be cleaned with baby wipes, should be hand washed with warm water and detergent and then rinsed with clean cold water

• Please thoroughly wash your hands with soap and water after cleaning any items.

• You do not need to seek advice from a health professional unless you are experiencing symptoms.

ADVICE: If you have been at potentially contaminated sites

 

[Amonet]

Believed to be the door handle. imo.
Poisoned Door Handle Hints at High-Level Plot to Kill Spy, U.K. Officials Say
Poisoned Door Handle Hints at High-Level Plot to Kill Spy, U.K. Officials Say
UK - Sergei, 66, & Yulia Skripal, 33, poisoned, Salisbury, 4 March 2018

I was thinking about this after I logged off last night. I don't see how it can be the door handle. If you're going out the house only one person needs to touch the handle, not both of them. And they would have had to both come in contact with the poison at approximately the same time as they both fell ill at the same time and there was no time for either of them to watch the other becoming sick and call 999.

With the new couple, if it's something in Salisbury that wasn't decontaminated, how come it's taken this long for someone to touch it and get a big enough dose for this effect, and how come both the couple managed it at exactly the same time?

 

[jjenny]

I was thinking about this after I logged off last night. I don't see how it can be the door handle. If you're going out the house only one person needs to touch the handle, not both of them. And they would have had to both come in contact with the poison at approximately the same time as they both fell ill at the same time and there was no time for either of them to watch the other becoming sick and call 999.

With the new couple, if it's something in Salisbury that wasn't decontaminated, how come it's taken this long for someone to touch it and get a big enough dose for this effect, and how come both the couple managed it at exactly the same time?

And from what has been reported, Novichok is washable so rain should have washed the traces away. So how did they get poisoned, if the theory is that their poisoning was from whatever traces of Novichok were left?

 

[dotr]

Second Novichok poisoning likely not deliberate, British officials say
Second Novichok poisoning likely not deliberate, British officials say

A British police officer guards a cordon around a plastic covered rubbish bin near John Baker House for homeless people in Salisbury, England, Thursday, July 5, 2018. British officials are seeking clues Thursday in the rush to understand how two Britons were exposed to the military-grade nerve agent Novichok. (AP Photo/Matt Dunham)

"Andrea Sella, Professor of Inorganic Chemistry at University College London, said Novichok nerve agents "are designed to be quite persistent -- they hang around in the environment, neither evaporating or decomposing quickly.

"That means that if a container or a surface was contaminated with this material it would remain a danger for a long time and it will be vital to trace the movements of this couple to identify where they might have come into contact with the source," he said. "So while the public at large are at very low risk from this material, until the source is found there is a remote chance that someone else might come into contact with it."

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

A friend of the two hospitalized said that on Saturday they were hanging out and catching some sun at Queen Elizabeth Gardens. They had purchased a blanket to take to a soccer game, so they might have been sitting or lying on a tiny contaminated area. Because a tiny exposure is lethal, all that grass, dirt, and concrete in that area should be removed and buried deep within the ground in some very rural area. This nerve agent never "naturally"biodegrades and becomes nonlethal.

Washing your spectacles, watch, and phone with baby wipes may remove the nerve agent, but the rubbish can and your hands are then contaminated. This is a far more scary problem than the Health Department admits.

 

[Shiressleuth]

So Dawn became ill first and the ambulance was called. While getting some belongings together for Dawn's hospital bag, Charlie fell ill.
Their friend who was with them at the park, has not become ill.
Dawn reportedly was moving from her apartment at John Baker House (in Salisbury about 300 metres from the restaurant the Skripals last dined at) to the house in Amesbury.

Could it have been in her belongings?

JMO

 

[Shiressleuth]

Porton Down to Amesbury - 3 ways to travel via bus, taxi, car

Hope this link works to show how close Porton Down (the experts on Novichok) is to both Amesbury and Salisbury.
Only a £1 by car -sorry misread it at first as £1 taxi ;-)

 

[dotr]

So Dawn became ill first and the ambulance was called. While getting some belongings together for Dawn's hospital bag, Charlie fell ill.
Their friend who was with them at the park, has not become ill.
Dawn reportedly was moving from her apartment at John Baker House (in Salisbury about 300 metres from the restaurant the Skripals last dined at) to the house in Amesbury.

Could it have been in her belongings?

JMO

Rbbm.
Wondering if there is a clothing donation box at the Baker House, or a secondhand store?
Perhaps unknowingly, a previously contaminated item was donated and Dawn came into contact with it?
speculation, imo.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Man, 23, dies suddenly in city centre supported housing

When I was searching for John Baker house, this death came up and it was in March (the same month as the Skripals incident). None of the articles would load up for me but I have posted the link anyway. I couldn't find out much so someone else may have more luck.

 

[Elley Mae]

LIVE: Novichok victims 'handled contaminated item'

LIVE: Novichok victims 'handled contaminated item'

 

[Elley Mae]

One theory that is understood to be under investigation is that the pair may have inadvertently discovered a container, like a phial or syringe, used to transport the nerve agent used to attack Skripals.

Javid accuses Russia of using Britain as 'dumping ground for poison'

Mr Javid told MPs the government's "strong working assumption" was that the Amesbury pair came into contact with the nerve agent in a different location to the sites involved in the original clean-up operation following the poisoning of the Skripals.

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I am not sure that it’s russia.
Has it been said where the couple worked.?

 

[Shiressleuth]

One theory that is understood to be under investigation is that the pair may have inadvertently discovered a container, like a phial or syringe, used to transport the nerve agent used to attack Skripals.

Javid accuses Russia of using Britain as 'dumping ground for poison'

Mr Javid told MPs the government's "strong working assumption" was that the Amesbury pair came into contact with the nerve agent in a different location to the sites involved in the original clean-up operation following the poisoning of the Skripals.

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I am not sure that it’s russia.
Has it been said where the couple worked.?

They are unemployed (see upthread).

 

[Shiressleuth]

Deadly diseases could escape from laboratories because of Government funding neglect, warn MPs | Daily Mail Online

Although ten years old this article states how foot and mouth escaped from drains in one lab in Surrey.

Porton Down is discussed as well as other facilities.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Deadly diseases could escape from laboratories because of Government funding neglect, warn MPs | Daily Mail Online

Although ten years old this article states how foot and mouth escaped from drains in one lab in Surrey.

Porton Down is discussed as well as other facilities.

It was found that the main POI in the anthrax killer case, a government scientist who later killed himself, contaminated the outside of his laboratory office.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Here Are 5 Times Infectious Diseases Escaped From Laboratory Containment

 

[jjenny]

They are unemployed (see upthread).

The victim was a "skip diver" which sounds similar to dumpster diving as we call it in the US. One theory is that they found something poisoned while skip diving. Although one would think the dumpsters would have been emptied during the months after Skripals got poisoned.

Theories Abound in New Novichok Poisoning in U.K.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Why doesn't the Minister of Health immediately release exactly what item was contaminated that this couple touched? Many others could have stepped on it, brushed up against it, or sat on it. They should be warned.