UK -Major incident declared - UK anti-terror police investigating possible nerve agent attack, 2018

[Gunslinging Granny]

If they were dumpster divers, that makes sense. All the junk from the park was picked up in April and tossed into dumpsters which may not have been thoroughly decontaminated.

 

[Legally Bland]

Why doesn't the Minister of Health immediately release exactly what item was contaminated that this couple touched? Many others could have stepped on it, brushed up against it, or sat on it. They should be warned.

It said on BBC news that they weren't sure what item was contaminated, but the highest concentration of novichok was on their fingers.

 

[jjenny]

Deadly diseases could escape from laboratories because of Government funding neglect, warn MPs | Daily Mail Online

Although ten years old this article states how foot and mouth escaped from drains in one lab in Surrey.

Porton Down is discussed as well as other facilities.

Here is a more recent article about security breaches at Porton Down.
"Scientists from top-secret Porton Down were the first to spot that a deadly nerve agent was used against Sergei and Yulia Skripal. But the facility has had a series of incidents involving deadly chemicals and bugs capable of killing millions – such as ebola, smallpox and anthrax."
13 security breaches at toxic lab used to test Russian poison

 

[Shiressleuth]

I was wondering if it was a syringe they picked up. Is that a possibility? Who would pick up a used syringe. And how did novochok get on their hands? I mean the hands are probably the most washed part of the body.

 

[Amonet]

I was wondering if it was a syringe they picked up. Is that a possibility? Who would pick up a used syringe. And how did novochok get on their hands? I mean the hands are probably the most washed part of the body.

I like the idea from an earlier post that when the b/f was packing things for the woman's hospital stay that he's picked something contaminated from her suitcase....he might not have washed his hands afterwards and then taken ill.

And as the woman was taken ill earlier in the morning, had she just got dressed and also touched something from her suitcase/bags?

The problem with that scenario is how would she get the contaminated item into her bag without being affected in the first place?

 

[Taskforce88]

Is it clearly something they both touched. It was claimed the Skipal's door handle had been contaminated but usually, only one person opens or shuts a door.

Is it correct that the recent victims are unemployed, one has a drug addiction and they live in a private housing estate with average house prices at around 230,000?

 

[Amonet]

What about a cigarette lighter? They might share one and even washing their hands between cigarettes they'd just get recontaminated every time they light up?

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Is it clearly something they both touched. It was claimed the Skipal's door handle had been contaminated but usually, only one person opens or shuts a door.

Is it correct that the recent victims are unemployed, one has a drug addiction and they live in a private housing estate with average house prices at around 230,000?

From what I previously read, the male victim was previously arrested for stealing from another man who shared his paternal name. It's possible that the male victim's family allows him to live on their property.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I like the idea from an earlier post that when the b/f was packi
ng things for the woman's hospital stay that he's picked something contaminated from her suitcase....he might not have washed his hands afterwards and then taken ill.

And as the woman was taken ill earlier in the morning, had she just got dressed and also touched something from her suitcase/bags?

The problem with that scenario is how would she get the contaminated item into her bag without being affected in the first place?

The only thing I could think of would be a bag or shoes where only the bottom was contaminated. It could have sat in a closet since March. She may have been affected when she packed it to move to Amesbury and he may have been affected when he packed the same item or items for hospital. Could be the the over night bag/suitcase itself.

 

[dotr]

‘It’s happened again, so did they clean up properly’
"Police believe the couple may have been poisoned after touching a syringe at Queen Elizabeth Gardens in Salisbury, with cops in a desperate hunt to find the deadly vial."

"One of the inventors of Novichok has added to the drama by saying he “completely understands the panic” of those in the Salisbury and Amesbury areas.

Vladimir Uglev worked on substances including Novichok for more than a decade — and he told The Independent the “near impossible to detect” nerve agent would likely stick around in Salisbury for years to come.

“The substance can absorb itself into any soft surface, whether trees, leather, or park benches. From there it can be absorbed onto people’s skin with all the consequences,” he said."

Dawn Sturgess was captured on CCTV happily buying booze just hours before she was poisoned by deadly Novichok and found frothing at the mouth.Source:Supplied

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Why would there be a syringe with Novichok in the park if this poison was smeared on the Skripals' doorknob which is miles away?

 

[CARIIS]

A friend of the two hospitalized said that on Saturday they were hanging out and catching some sun at Queen Elizabeth Gardens. They had purchased a blanket to take to a soccer game, so they might have been sitting or lying on a tiny contaminated area. Because a tiny exposure is lethal, all that grass, dirt, and concrete in that area should be removed and buried deep within the ground in some very rural area. This nerve agent never "naturally"biodegrades and becomes nonlethal.

Washing your spectacles, watch, and phone with baby wipes may remove the nerve agent, but the rubbish can and your hands are then contaminated. This is a far more scary problem than the Health Department admits.

its creepy stuff huh

 

[CARIIS]

LIVE: Novichok victims 'handled contaminated item'

LIVE: Novichok victims 'handled contaminated item'

scary picture from link

Why doesn't the Minister of Health immediately release exactly what item was contaminated that this couple touched? Many others could have stepped on it, brushed up against it, or sat on it. They should be warned.

i agree it feels like they know more

The victim was a "skip diver" which sounds similar to dumpster diving as we call it in the US. One theory is that they found something poisoned while skip diving. Although one would think the dumpsters would have been emptied during the months after Skripals got poisoned.

Theories Abound in New Novichok Poisoning in U.K.

from link

like a coat with a container of the nerve agent in a pocket

who on earth forgets that you have nerve gas in your left pocket!!

LIVE: Novichok victims 'handled contaminated item'

LIVE: Novichok victims 'handled contaminated item'

I dont know if this was like a week or so after March attack it might make sense that it is from same assault

but it is really hard to wrap my head around this is from a quarter a year ago

is this about not wanting to freak people that they did it again

these are public places it seems hard to imagine that they touched some secret place or something

they are saying some beer well beer comes and goes was that beer in there for a quarter of a year

why did a staffer not get sick organizing the beer case

if it is on old clothes it seems like it would come off on other clothes

it feels like they know some stuff something is unique here moo

LIVE: Novichok victims 'handled contaminated item'

LIVE: Novichok victims 'handled contaminated item'

scary picture from link

What about a cigarette lighter? They might share one and even washing their hands between cigarettes they'd just get recontaminated every time they light up?

or drugs pipe

 

[CARIIS]

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[CARIIS]

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[CARIIS]

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[dotr]

Novichok 'could have passed through skin'
"A government scientist has told BBC News that Novichok - the nerve agent which poisoned a couple near Salisbury - was unlikely to have been left in the open before they touched it.

The nerve agent was so toxic it was able to pass through the skin and did not need to be ingested, he added."
Wiltshire police: More people could be poisoned by deadly Novichok
"Amesbury poisoning: Wiltshire police fear more people could be exposed to Novichok as Russia accuses UK of scaremongering"

 

[RPod]

going with the dumpster/skip diving for a minute

whilst the skip would likely have been emptied since march, it is entirely possible that the nerve agent container was only discarded recently having been kept secure for months to let the attention die down (pardon the pun) and avoid being noticed disposing of it sooner.

 

[jjenny]

going with the dumpster/skip diving for a minute

whilst the skip would likely have been emptied since march, it is entirely possible that the nerve agent container was only discarded recently having been kept secure for months to let the attention die down (pardon the pun) and avoid being noticed disposing of it sooner.

How do we even know anything was discarded as opposed to recently deposited.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Why won't the police just come out and say what the contaminated object was?