Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #10

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  • #721
I've not quite abandoned the theory that NB ended up in the river after a tragic accident, but after the PA interview I've looked at what could be a plausible alternative.

NB is last seen by a witness in the upper field at 9.10am with her dog. She's not seen again. Her dog Willow is found alone near the bench at 9.33am precisely we are told. That is 23 minutes. A lot can happen in that amount of time in a small area. For the sake of argument, let's say there is a predator there. Perhaps he had worked out NB's movements over many days (PA inferred her movements were almost like clockwork). He forces NB and her dog off the field and applies restraint. He then has enough time to march the dog to the bench, pose the phone, untie the dog, and leave the leash and harness on the ground. The dog would not follow a stranger back across the field but would stay by its familiar harness. He then returns to NB, and then the abandoned dog and phone are discovered. He would then have many days to work out what to do next as the Police were fixated on the river and the tragic accident theory.

If we can accept that as a plausible scenario then I would be searching all of the caravans and building at or near Rowanwater and looking into the backgrounds of everyone who was known to be there that day or who had access and could have been there. Just MO.
I love all that and is exactly my theroy. Just one thing is the dog something doesn't add up with the dog. I am 100 percent sure the dog would follow nb. Yet we hear the dog was tied up to bench by a witness around 9.33 ish . Its this bit and the 1 hour 20 mins after that's the puzzle I cant work out.
 
  • #722
I did not take from interview harness was any closer to water than what we originally thought. Everything water side of bench is an embankment. It's steep.

Longer this goes on, she'll show up in water somewhere and police divers over first few days will be slated.


The only way she's not in the water is if the currently accepted timeline from 9.10 onwards proves false and nefarious
 
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  • #723
I'm of the "everything is prob OK" and also "if I die then it's happened, but no point worrying beforehand" brigades. So thanks for that, it has helped me towards understanding others a bit more.
Exactly that, human response is personal and reactive to their own experience. As of the more mature variety, that has coloured my view of life. You cannot judge others on how you live your life as that simply is wrong. There are people that are supported by husbands/families and those that do it alone. Just stop the judgemental and 'all about me' attitude - look outside your own globe.
 
  • #724
Absolutely. I think it is a new fact. Previously suggested the harness was by the bench, not down the embankment. PA clearly states that’s where it was though.

Dog could have moved the harness.

The witness who tied the dog up (with string) also could have moved the harness. It seems to be PA saying he found the harness half way along the embankment, find it odd that nobody touched it or moved it in the time it took him to get there (some 1.5 hours after the teams call ended). He also mentioned there was someone else there with the dog when he arrived on the scene, they also could've moved it.
 
  • #725
I agree with those who suspect an online stalker could be involved, as she regularly documented her dog walks on social media. The police are hunting a kidnapper / stalker from Lancs currently but little info: Police hunting kidnap suspect who could be 'working in Birmingham'
The shabby unidentified red van seen parked in the area is interesting: Police hunt driver of 'tatty red van' amid search for Nicola Bulley
There’s another article that gives more witness detail but i can’t find it.
I had thought she’d been abducted but i must say the harness being half-way down the riverbank made me question if she did indeed fall in. However, Peter the human mole worked on the ‘spy in the bag case’ and i’d tend to go with his instincts…
 
  • #726
Completely baffling case. Report of harness down embankment lends credibility and logic to accident/fall in water theory assuming PA refers to the riverside embankement.

OS map I think indicates a footpath through the fence to the Rowanwater lake area so if she was in the field dog walking she could have ended up there though I accept unlikely.

I find the abduction theory hard to believe though I accept not impossible. She was not in a completely remote location . It was broad daylight and clearly at least one person saw her in the field. She would have had to have walked from the bench area to the road near Blackpool lane to be taken away against her will then put in a vehicle on a road with traffic. If she had been attacked and injured, I find it impossible that someone could have moved her by carrying her the distance to the road in the short time she was missing.

That leaves accident as most likely. I think she has been missed in the local search area. Maybe on land. Maybe in the water or water edge, maybe in the Rowanwater lake, maybe in the caravan park area or hedgerows or maybe she fell in deep undergrowth/ditch and sustained a head injury. Maybe she exited on the South side of the river somewhere with severe hypothermia. I imagine that side has been searched much less extensively particularly away from the water edge.

Voluntarily going missing possible and I don’t know NB so cannot comment on the likelihood .

I think the local search area holds the answer in short.
 
  • #727
Something going on potentially related to work? She may have had difficulty with a new client hence her Thurs meeting with boss followed by email to boss just prior to meeting
I did wonder about this myself. I didn't mention her employer's name but they have a few businesses and I suppose must have some power.
 
  • #728
I'm of the "everything is prob OK" and also "if I die then it's happened, but no point worrying beforehand" brigades. So thanks for that, it has helped me towards understanding others a bit more.
Exactly that, human response is personal and reactive to their own experience. As of the more mature variety, that has coloured my view of life. You cannot judge others on how you live your life as that simply is wrong. There are people that are supported by husbands/families and those that do it alone. Just stop the judgemental and 'all about me' attitude - look outside your own globe.
 
  • #729
I did not take from interview harness was any closer to water than what we originally thought. Everything water side of bench is an embankment. It's steep.

My understanding is that previously the harness was thought to be on the floor next to the bench not halfway down the embankment.

I agree accident is most likely, just that the search hasn’t been successful.

































Longer this goes on, she'll show up in water somewhere and police divers over first few days will be slated.















The only way she's not in the water is if the currently accepted timeline from 9.10 onwards proves false and nefarious
 
  • #730
Do you not think she would have taken her phone with her whilst chasing after her dog? It would seem a rationale thing to do.
Not if it got knocked out of her hand by someone.
 
  • #731
I agree with those who suspect an online stalker could be involved, as she regularly documented her dog walks on social media. The police are hunting a kidnapper / stalker from Lancs currently but little info: Police hunting kidnap suspect who could be 'working in Birmingham'
The shabby unidentified red van seen parked in the area is interesting: Police hunt driver of 'tatty red van' amid search for Nicola Bulley
There’s another article that gives more witness detail but i can’t find it.
I had thought she’d been abducted but i must say the harness being half-way down the riverbank made me question if she did indeed fall in. However, Peter the human mole worked on the ‘spy in the bag case’ and i’d tend to go with his instincts…
 
  • #732
I agree with those who suspect an online stalker could be involved, as she regularly documented her dog walks on social media. The police are hunting a kidnapper / stalker from Lancs currently but little info: Police hunting kidnap suspect who could be 'working in Birmingham'
The shabby unidentified red van seen parked in the area is interesting: Police hunt driver of 'tatty red van' amid search for Nicola Bulley
There’s another article that gives more witness detail but i can’t find it.
I had thought she’d been abducted but i must say the harness being half-way down the riverbank made me question if she did indeed fall in. However, Peter the human mole worked on the ‘spy in the bag case’ and i’d tend to go with his instincts…
Birmingham is down south, miles away from Lancashire.
 
  • #733
The harness being found on the embankment does make me lean back towards an accidental fall but with the amount of searching that’s been done, surely at least 1 item of clothing would have been found? Or car keys would have floated out of coat pocket?
Not necessarily. I’ve seen plenty of drowning cases on this website where there recovered body had all possessions and belongings still present and in tact.
 
  • #734
Feels like a tragic accident or a really complex and immaculately executed abduction to leave no trace whatsoever. Tragic accident odd but more likely.
But obviously may still be alive if not in the river so important to investigate other lines of enquiry.
JMO
 
  • #735
My understanding is that previously the harness was thought to be on the floor next to the bench not halfway down the embankment.

I agree accident is most likely, just that the search hasn’t been successful
 
  • #736
Between bench and water was previously the statement re harness.
 
  • #737
This is an awfully complex case and it because of the finer details we are all not aware of. If and if they suspect third party involvement would they hold that belief from the public. Probably yes because without Nicolas body they have no evidence of a third party. What would be achieved by publically announcing third party involvement as they have no definitive proof.
 
  • #738
My understanding is that previously the harness was thought to be on the floor next to the bench not halfway down the embankment.

I agree accident is most likely, just that the search hasn’t been successful

I have always thought the harness was midway down the bank. Can't quote for it but I thought that was always the case.
 
  • #739
Still waiting for someone to provide a link showing the dog was tied with string.

Is this something someone read on FB and it's grown legs or can someone actually provide a link from a police statement that clarifies that?
 
  • #740
I agree with those who suspect an online stalker could be involved, as she regularly documented her dog walks on social media. The police are hunting a kidnapper / stalker from Lancs currently but little info: Police hunting kidnap suspect who could be 'working in Birmingham'
The shabby unidentified red van seen parked in the area is interesting: Police hunt driver of 'tatty red van' amid search for Nicola Bulley
There’s another article that gives more witness detail but i can’t find it.
I had thought she’d been abducted but i must say the harness being half-way down the riverbank made me question if she did indeed fall in. However, Peter the human mole worked on the ‘spy in the bag case’ and i’d tend to go with his instincts…
Why was pf working on the spy in a bag case? Wasnt he found in his bath? Doubt he would of needed his boat and hi tech equipment for that one
 
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