Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #11

[Deleted member 320164]

sounded like he hadn't conducted even the slightest bit of research prior to going there.
Why did he think the police divers dived it several times?
They saw what he saw.
They just saw better.
It was never gonna be an easy river to search.. mud moves and does peculiar things with trapped air pockets and the like, could hold a helluva lotta suction power, enough maybe to suck her in deep..

Sorry but how do you know who saw what better?

They’re completely different methods.

Police divers can’t really see under the water due to the murk which is why they use ropes to trawl the river.

Divers + high freq sonar is better than divers alone. All hands to the plough.

 

[Davieson]

There is no more evidence that NB fell in the river than there is evidence that some unusual people were in the village that day.

I do hope that the police are correct in their assumptions that the focus on the river is correct.
If someone just wanted to murder NB they would do so and throw her to the river.

Does anyone feel that her being an IFA, a regulated business had anything to do with someone wanting to silence her.

Perhaps someone had breached a set of regulations and she was aware of this? it depends on what she shared about her work with her partner though, you would think that she may share any work concerns with him, unless of course she had just discovered something very recently.

For what purpose would abduction serve someone else?

' If someone just wanted to murder NB they would do so and throw her to the river.'


In that case the police would be correct that she was in the river.

If there is no evidence of 3rd party criminality, which to date, seems to be the case, then police are powerless to investigate

 

[Mr X]

It seems to be relatively interesting that there were some elevated levels fairly shortly before the MP vanished. Things like sinkholes, bank collapses and underwater flood sluices seem worthy of investigation.

I'm sure it has all been looked at by the LP.

 

[Woodburnbay]

' If someone just wanted to murder NB they would do so and throw her to the river.'


In that case the police would be correct that she was in the river.

If there is no evidence of 3rd party criminality, which to date, seems to be the case, then police are powerless to investigate

How far then would NB have had to be from the river for this then to be a missing under suspicious circumstances case.

It seems that there is no creativity here.

"She was close to the river so that is where she must be"

Astonishing powers of investigation from senior and seasoned police officers.

 

[CSIAngus]

JMO I've discounted the river theory, and knocked down all the other straw men that I can think of, other than one. I'll not elaborate on the identity of anyone that I think may have been involved but will say that I strongly suspect that there was an altercation of some sort with a local person(s) <modsnip: insinuating guilt of non POI>

I'm quite happy to be confounded by the truth when it is known. In all the theorising, we mustn't lose sight of the fact that a real human being is missing. My thoughts are for her, and her family and friends.

 

[Davieson]

How far then would NB have had to be from the river for this then to be a missing under suspicious circumstances case.

It seems that there is no creativity here.

"She was close to the river so that is where she must be"

Astonishing powers of investigation from senior and seasoned police officers.

Police don't work on creativity, they work on evidence and facts.
There is, as yet, no evidence of criminality. If they discover any, then they can investigate it.

 

[cottonweaver]

Ok so if I'm reading this correctly all the info. is being relayed by an anonymous friend (maybe TA) so maybe take it with a pinch of salt especially as the part about Paul not ringing the police until he got there is incorrect....

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The friend, who wishes to stay anonymous, told the Mirror she has spoken to a pair who believe they were the last people to see Nicola before she went missing.

She said: "They say she was laughing and joking with them as she went by."

She went on to say two other dog walkers later came across her phone and recognised the screensaver photo.

She said they were unable to unlock the phone and contacted a friend who then called St Michael's-on-Wyre Church of England Primary School, where Nicola had dropped her two children earlier that morning.

Partner Paul Ansell was contacted and raced to the scene from the family home three miles away in Inskip, before calling the police, the friend said.

"As far as I’m aware, no one called the police until Paul arrived," she said.

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Source

and there's the rub

How 'good' is the good friend?
I'm sure it wasn't her (?) intention but she's just dropped Paul Ansell in it ( because of the discrepancy, some will believe he lied to Channel 5. Am assuming this friend watched the C5 show & heard what PA said about this sequence)

 

[pineapple23]

sounded like he hadn't conducted even the slightest bit of research prior to going there.
Why did he think the police divers dived it several times?
They saw what he saw.
They just saw better.
It was never gonna be an easy river to search.. mud moves and does peculiar things with trapped air pockets and the like, could hold a helluva lotta suction power, enough maybe to suck her in deep..

Also, PF said his sonar wouldn't be able to spot anything lodged in reeds Nicola Bulley search expert fears third party involved in her disappearance

 

[flysleuthD]

Well, that’s cleary the most obvious one. But there are no reports of any disturbance on the riverbank which point to a fall/slip or scratchmarks from an attempt to claw herself out. Additionally, it’s possible that clothing or other belongings would have resurfaced along the river which was extensively searched.

Look, I am not saying she 100% did not enter the water; it’s a very valid scenario. But after two weeks nothing has been discovered to confirm this.

But after 2 weeks there's nothing to suggest she didn't either. I'd imagine finding someone on land is far easier than finding someone in murky changing waters with limited resources but so far nothing points to either so they cannot rule out her washing up in months to come somewhere up the river. If she's entangled somewhere beyond the unknown then her clothes would still be on her for ages yet

 

[abovethestorm]

all this saga again. Police have spoken with everybody in all the conflicting stories and police condensed it and that's the timeline. And that happened after all the stories..

I do hope they've also identified and spoken with the people in the background of the 'witness lady in a red coat' Ring photo that the police issued when they were asking said person to come forward. I wish I could find (refind?) confirmation of exactly what time that photo/video still was taken, because to my (photographer's) eye, it really does look suspiciously like a tall man with his hand/arm on the shoulder of a blonde, much smaller woman who has her head hanging downwards in a very subdued-looking manner, on the other side of the road to Red Coat Lady. IMHO.

(Link to an article including that Ring camera frame) -

Timeline of Nicola Bulley’s mysterious disappearance

Police have released a timeline of Nicola Bulley’s last known movements

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Fishwick]

JMO I've discounted the river theory, and knocked down all the other straw men that I can think of, other than one. I'll not elaborate on the identity of anyone that I think may have been involved but will say that I strongly suspect that there was an altercation of some sort with a local person(s) over Willow being off the lead resulting in an assault that proved accidentally fatal. This was then covered up, including signposting early investigation towards the river. I agree with PA that the answer is local. The Police would do well to deploy cadaver dogs among the properties between the bench and Garstang Road.

I'm quite happy to be confounded by the truth when it is known. In all the theorising, we mustn't lose sight of the fact that a real human being is missing. My thoughts are for her, and her family and friends.

Patently obvious who you’re talking about and dangerous to state it so openly IMO.

 

[Davieson]

and there's the rub

How 'good' is the good friend?
I'm sure it wasn't her (?) intention but she's just dropped Paul Ansell in it ( because of the discrepancy, some will believe he lied to Channel 5)

What was it the Queen said - recollections may differ ?

 

[todders]

Duplicate information posted

 

[Deleted member 320164]

Police don't work on creativity, they work on evidence and facts.
There is, as yet, no evidence of criminality. If they discover any, then they can investigate it.

Well the river theory isn’t based on any evidence as there is none at all even after 2 weeks.

No evidence of criminality, no evidence shes in the river.

Round in circles.

 

[ginnyw]

JMO I've discounted the river theory, and knocked down all the other straw men that I can think of, other than one. I'll not elaborate on the identity of anyone that I think may have been involved but will say that I strongly suspect that there was an altercation of some sort with a local person(s) over Willow being off the lead resulting in an assault that proved accidentally fatal. This was then covered up, including signposting early investigation towards the river. I agree with PA that the answer is local. The Police would do well to deploy cadaver dogs among the properties between the bench and Garstang Road.

I'm quite happy to be confounded by the truth when it is known. In all the theorising, we mustn't lose sight of the fact that a real human being is missing. My thoughts are for her, and her family and friends.

Interesting idea and to be honest, just as likely as a few other things at the moment. But I can't help thinking that a) any altercation would have been heard and b) from what we have read of her and heard from others, NB didn't seem at all the sort of person who would get into what would have to have been a violent altercation. JMO.

 

[cottonweaver]

dbm

 

[cottonweaver]

new link

am pasting this part cause have never noticed an RNLI person comment on the case yet
( RNLI volunteers have been assisting with the search since the outset)


A former RNLI lifeboat commander, with vast experience of search-and-rescue operations, told The Mail on Sunday that Nicola’s body could still be in the river. ‘There are many reasons why the body could snag – it could get caught in an eddy and be held for hours for instance.

‘For this reason it is very difficult to estimate how long it would take to reach open sea. The activity we are seeing at the mouth of the river is known as “goalkeeping”. A team will deploy at a point at which it is thought the body has not yet reached and wait for it to appear. But there is so much uncertainty in something like this and the body could already have been missed.’

He added: ‘I know the authorities are doing everything they can but if the body is already at sea it might not be found for weeks or months. Or, quite frankly, it might never be found.’ In the absence of conclusive proof, or indeed any evidence, family and friends cling to hope that she will be found alive.

Bring Nikki Home: Friends launch 'final push' to find her

Nicola Bulley, 45, vanished while out walking her springer spaniel Willow along the River Wyre in Lancashire just over two weeks ago.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Bumping

 

[UK Girl]

Holy cow! There are a lot of bossy signs hung up there! Not very welcoming.

I live very near a river and in the 1 mile in each direction I don't think there are any signs like this.

So a local person (or people) are certainly self-policing the area here. And going mad with signs.
So people are watching......

My husband has been fishing all weekend and taken one of the dogs with him. Likewise the owner has his running around all day. When we go to France fishing they do there as well. Its not like they are going to run in and eat the fish.

 

[Davieson]

Well the river theory isn’t based on any evidence as there is none at all even after 2 weeks.

No evidence of criminality, no evidence shes in the river.

Round in circles.

Exactly.

Though police do have pointers to likely being in the river. They have, as yet, no pointers elsewhere

 

[flysleuthD]

JMO I've discounted the river theory, and knocked down all the other straw men that I can think of, other than one. I'll not elaborate on the identity of anyone that I think may have been involved but will say that I strongly suspect that there was an altercation of some sort with a local person(s) over Willow being off the lead resulting in an assault that proved accidentally fatal. This was then covered up, including signposting early investigation towards the river. I agree with PA that the answer is local. The Police would do well to deploy cadaver dogs among the properties between the bench and Garstang Road.

I'm quite happy to be confounded by the truth when it is known. In all the theorising, we mustn't lose sight of the fact that a real human being is missing. My thoughts are for her, and her family and friends.

Well said

JMO I've discounted the river theory, and knocked down all the other straw men that I can think of, other than one. I'll not elaborate on the identity of anyone that I think may have been involved but will say that I strongly suspect that there was an altercation of some sort with a local person(s) over Willow being off the lead resulting in an assault that proved accidentally fatal. This was then covered up, including signposting early investigation towards the river. I agree with PA that the answer is local. The Police would do well to deploy cadaver dogs among the properties between the bench and Garstang Road.

I'm quite happy to be confounded by the truth when it is known. In all the theorising, we mustn't lose sight of the fact that a real human being is missing. My thoughts are for her, and her family and friends.

Totally agree with all of this hard to make a good valid point here without getting it removed or reported but this is exactly how I'm thinking too